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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    After reflecting on it for a few hours, here are my thoughts.

    The good:

    I liked that it was a true team effort at the end. It felt right, particularly compared to the TV show.

    The submarine sequence not only reminded me of TND, but 2001 when Dave tries to break into the ship.

    The callbacks generally paid off (for me at least, even if I didn't remember them).

    There are plenty of places to go for a sequel. This didn't feel like a finale to me.

    The bad:

    The egos of Cruise and McQuarrie were on full display here. Stunts galore with little purpose to the story. McQuarrie needs NOT to direct the next MI. It's time for someone else in the director's chair.

    Way too long. Most of the scenes could have a minute or two cut from them and it wouldn't be much different.

    Overall, most of the praises and criticisms I have have already been said. Just have a better plan next time (and hopefully the world won't go through a MI type of event again). And have a new director!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    patb wrote: »
    It's interesting to consider that IF Cruise has somehow become a distraction from the original "DNA" of MI, is it possible for a whole new cast to go "back to basics" and rediscover the magic of the original

    Ideally it would be a TV series revival on streaming, and unlike the original 60s series the new show would actually have the cast going out on location to different countries throughout the world.

    It would be nice for Tom Cruise to maybe appear as passing the baton to the new point man of the team. Have his voice be the one giving out the next mission. But I doubt he’d do that. I think he’s one of the few movie stars that have not crossed over onto streaming like so many other big names.
  • edited May 24 Posts: 526
    Tom Cruise as the voice of the mission operator is a cool suggestion. That would be a great way to transition from the film franchise to a new tv version.
    patb wrote: »
    It's interesting to consider that IF Cruise has somehow become a distraction from the original "DNA" of MI, is it possible for a whole new cast to go "back to basics" and rediscover the magic of the original

    Ideally it would be a TV series revival on streaming, and unlike the original 60s series the new show would actually have the cast going out on location to different countries throughout the world.

    It would be nice for Tom Cruise to maybe appear as passing the baton to the new point man of the team. Have his voice be the one giving out the next mission. But I doubt he’d do that. I think he’s one of the few movie stars that have not crossed over onto streaming like so many other big names.
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    Tom Cruise as the voice of the mission operator is a cool suggestion. That would be a great way to transition from the film franchise to a new tv version. He wouldn't be Ethan Hunt. He'd be anonymous boss guy.

    I think it's worth Paramount considering a tv spin off show. But I guess it depends how well MI 8 does at the box office and other factors. If MI 8 underperforms then Paramount may be reluctant to consider a tv version. But you never know.
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    TV spin off would be able to re-focus on the clever stuff and character. Viewers would not be expecting huge stunts every episode, it could work. And, of course, if it went well, it could be expanded onto the big screen
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I would hold off on the big screen for a long period after Cruise.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Tom has shown that he doesn't always have to be the star. I think to his appearance in Austin Powers, and Tropic Thunder. He might wish to be the voice for a future TV show I don't think we can say he wouldn't do it with certainty.
  • edited May 24 Posts: 2,263
    Interview with McQuarrie, who talk about the first act…

    https://nationalboardofreview.org/2025/05/qa-with-christopher-mcquarrie/

    Also, McQuarrie on “poisonous” fan service?

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/mission-impossible-8-chris-mcquarrie-fan-service-1236221346/

    Erm, did he not watch his own movie? This one is full of it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Wow, either some of these reviews are by people who went in with some high expectations or maybe they were just looking for negativity.
    I really liked this movie. I enjoyed watching Haley Atwell get more to do in this film. The action sequences were well done and very tense. I feared for the characters in almost all the events. I don't get those who say the stakes didn't feel high. They felt high to me. I thought the DEFCON scoreboard was effective at conveying the tension and stakes.

    The submarine retrieval was well done and I thought creative in it's execution. I call BS on swimming up with no wet suit and no breathing apparatus for 500 feet. But this is a popcorn movie so I can forgive a jump of logic.

    The airplane sequence was interesting and well executed. I wonder how long that took to shoot. It did make me appreciate what the Bond team did way back in 1979 for MR. I thought there were creative bits with the stunts.

    If I had to site some bad, I would say that not having a human enemy was problematic. Gabriel was at this point a pissed off former employee so while he did dastardly things I wouldn't call him the enemy. The sequence where Hunt got into the case and let the Entity into his mind was good stuff. But we never really hate the Entity because he doesn't seem real.

    Even though I don't like the Entity being the main baddie, I applaud them for trying something different.

    I didn't get a sense of Cruise being done with the series. I liked the tease of a new team and one that possibly does more of the heavy lifting next time. Pom is an actor that I really like, she would be someone I could see more of. I really like Haley Atwell and thought she fit in better here.

    I would give this 8 out of 10.
  • Is this film excessively long because they build the story around the set pieces rather than the other way round? I haven't seen it but if it's like the last one they need to do a lot of exposition because they dig themselves into holes because they make it up as they go.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    @thedove Good that you like it more than the majority in this thread. I haven't seen it yet and I wonder if you were also happy with the first half of the movie?
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    I saw this last night, managing to get in completely spoiler free. I dislike DR, having watched it again mid-week.

    There are standout scenes in DR that don’t work for me - the death of my favourite character from the franchise, which I find myself watching having no emotional skin in the game and the final set piece, which to me just looks like a bunch of CGI objects falling, while at no point do I feel the characters are in any danger. I’m not sure if that is personal fatigue with the franchise formula on my part or McQ’s filmmaking, or both.

    I could not imagine myself watching DR again at any point - it’s the least rewatchable of the franchise. 2 for me, is ‘so bad it’s good’ and 3 is along similar lines - I will always want to watch them again.

    I was expecting DR part 2 from TFR and thankfully I did not get it. Cruise and McQ clearly did their best to course correct with this based on DR’s reception. Considering that some of this had been filmed prior to DR’s release plus we have McQ in the creative driving seat, I honestly could not imagine how this could have turned out any better.

    They clearly wanted to tell a story here (in some form), rather than just stitching action scenes together. TFR, for me, felt quite dark in tone and overall, almost unrecognisable as being an MI movie in parts.

    After, DR, I’ll take that.

    I don’t find it too long, the story worked (albeit with some gratuitous action scenes) and the issues that I had with DR were addressed as much as I could have hoped for. Gabriel was a bit camper in this, which worked for me (as opposed to being wallpaper in DR). Atwell, who I thought was horribly miscast in DR found a lighter touch here. I don’t like the Grace character and feel she has been bolted on at the end of the story but I had zero issues with her in TFR, other than I find Atwell a bit stiff and lacking charisma (in the context of current and past IMF team members).

    I was positively surprised with TFR and appreciate that they tried to go in a different direction. It’s not going to be to everybody’s taste, I would suspect.

    The cinema I saw it in was about 40% full. The line going in was silent, the audience watched in silence and left in silence. I’m not sure whether DR has killed the buzz for MI or whether there is just franchise fatigue but I cannot see this doing the numbers that DR did globally. The social media word of mouth could seriously impact this.

    For me, TFR (after one viewing) is classic MI and sits up there at least as top 4 overall. I will be going back to see it a second time on the big screen. I suspect many will avoid going to see this in cinemas and it will gain a cult following in the years ahead.

    I don’t understand the mentality of shitting on a movie that you haven’t seen. Go see it and then comment, otherwise you are adding nothing meaningful to the discourse. You might actually like it, like I did. I would encourage anyone with an interest in MI to see this on the big screen.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited 12:49pm Posts: 1,885
    I also really enjoyed the movie with admittedly lowered expectations, but I'd say it's on par for me with Ghost Protocol and Dead Reckoning in terms of when I return to it. Not a new height personally for me, but middling and far from bad. I didn't even mind the first act. People forget just how much talking there is in all of these movies.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    @thedove Good that you like it more than the majority in this thread. I haven't seen it yet and I wonder if you were also happy with the first half of the movie?

    I thought given they have to bring some folks up to speed as it continues they did a good job. I think if they cut down on the review or the reminders I think you might end up with a confused audience. I guess they could have assumed people watched the previous one but I think that is dangerous to do.
    I thought the Luther Hunt scene was a bit of a let down. These two have shared so many adventures together and the way it was executed was clumsy and poorly written.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 2:07pm Posts: 2,601
    I think I'll see this film much later. The lukewarm reviews aren't helping. I'll see it, but not in a rush. But I'm currently listening to and enjoying Max Aruj & Alfie Godfrey's score. It's got Balfe's DNA as expected. But Aruj & Godfrey gave it their own touch. The tracks "Come Home Ethan" & "The Icecap" are particularly good. I'm still listening, though...so might discover more tracks.
  • edited 2:17pm Posts: 526
    Calvin Dyson's review:


    He was critical of the first half but loved the second half.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think it's a great point Calvin made about the romance never really being made explicit in the series. Except for part 3, which ofcourse was the Katie Holmes saga of Cruises own life.
  • edited 2:50pm Posts: 526
    Calvin mentioned the references to Hunt as mankind's only saviour and how it's repeated throughout the film. He compared it to the Bond films where M makes a passing comment "he's the best we have but I'll never tell him" in The World Is Not Enough.

    Some other reviews I've seen have mentioned the eulogusing of Hunt. A quasi religious figure saving the world.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I find it funny with people saying lukewarm reception. The theatre I saw was packed and I had trouble finding tickets to even begin with. The Rotten Tomatoes score of critics is 80%, DR part 1 was 95%. Audience scores are 90%.

    The bar is high because of the previous films but I certainly don't see it the ways others have stated here.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    thedove wrote: »
    I find it funny with people saying lukewarm reception. The theatre I saw was packed and I had trouble finding tickets to even begin with. The Rotten Tomatoes score of critics is 80%, DR part 1 was 95%. Audience scores are 90%.

    The bar is high because of the previous films but I certainly don't see it the ways others have stated here.

    The movie is the highest opening weekend in the series!
  • edited 4:01pm Posts: 526
    Just for the record... if the film does tank overall (and it's a given it will open to big ish box office), I reckon I know why. This is the reason:

    IMDB review
    Austin-406May 25, 2025
    1 out of 20

    Where is the action?
    Spoiler
    I went to see this movie expecting an amazing, anxiety inducing, action packed MI movie. What I got was a slow, dull, depressing, no action movie. Why would they kill this franchise in the final film? Why not end it with a bang? This movie is agonizingly slow and boring. I almost fell asleep. There are maybe 2-3 action scenes in 3 HOURS!

    This was a catastrophic mistake because you're underselling your product. A near three hours movie needs more than two action scenes. Christopher McQuarrie and his cowriter Erik Jendresen have given the fanbase less not more! That's incompetent film making because by delaying the action until later you risk the audience getting bored or restless. They're far less likely to invest in the story, in the high stakes, if it plods along with little or no action. Mission Impossible is a spy action franchise so it's imperative you provide sufficient action.

    Amazon take heed. Bond 26 needs more than two action scenes and not at the end of the film. Have them spaced out. And Bond 26 doesn't need to be close to three hours. 120 to 130 minutes is enough.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Do we think it's going to make a billion at the end of its run?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Just for the record... if the film does tank overall (and it's a given it will open to big ish box office), I reckon I know why. This is the reason:

    IMDB review
    Austin-406May 25, 2025
    1 out of 20

    Where is the action?
    Spoiler
    I went to see this movie expecting an amazing, anxiety inducing, action packed MI movie. What I got was a slow, dull, depressing, no action movie. Why would they kill this franchise in the final film? Why not end it with a bang? This movie is agonizingly slow and boring. I almost fell asleep. There are maybe 2-3 action scenes in 3 HOURS!

    This was a catastrophic mistake because you're underselling your product. A near three hours movie needs more than two action scenes. Christopher McQuarrie and his cowriter Erik Jendresen have given the fanbase less not more! That's incompetent film making because by delaying the action until later you risk the audience getting bored or restless. They're far less likely to invest in the story, in the high stakes, if it plods along with little or no action. Mission Impossible is a spy action franchise so it's imperative you provide sufficient action.

    Amazon take heed. Bond 26 needs more than two action scenes and not at the end of the film. Have them spaced out. And Bond 26 doesn't need to be close to three hours. 120 to 130 minutes is enough.

    Man, have I got the thread for you! :)>- :-*
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    Do we think it's going to make a billion at the end of its run?

    It’s done $195m world wide in its first three days, so would need a little over a x5 multiplier to get there.

    That’s a big ask, especially in an age where films arent given space to have a full cinema run, and are dumped on VoD platforms within weeks.

    DR opened to $235m world wide in its opening weekend, though I am not sure if the territories are the same so makes a direct comparison more tricky. That went on to do $571m.

    Looking at the next month of releases, there is nothing really comparable until Ballerina and F1 open (in terms of audience demographics), so I would hope it holds better than DR.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Do we think it's going to make a billion at the end of its run?

    It’s done $195m world wide in its first three days, so would need a little over a x5 multiplier to get there.

    That’s a big ask, especially in an age where films arent given space to have a full cinema run, and are dumped on VoD platforms within weeks.

    Yeah. Thought so. Thanks for the insight.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Just for the record... if the film does tank overall (and it's a given it will open to big ish box office), I reckon I know why. This is the reason:

    IMDB review
    Austin-406May 25, 2025
    1 out of 20

    Where is the action?
    Spoiler
    I went to see this movie expecting an amazing, anxiety inducing, action packed MI movie. What I got was a slow, dull, depressing, no action movie. Why would they kill this franchise in the final film? Why not end it with a bang? This movie is agonizingly slow and boring. I almost fell asleep. There are maybe 2-3 action scenes in 3 HOURS!

    This was a catastrophic mistake because you're underselling your product. A near three hours movie needs more than two action scenes. Christopher McQuarrie and his cowriter Erik Jendresen have given the fanbase less not more! That's incompetent film making because by delaying the action until later you risk the audience getting bored or restless. They're far less likely to invest in the story, in the high stakes, if it plods along with little or no action. Mission Impossible is a spy action franchise so it's imperative you provide sufficient action.

    Amazon take heed. Bond 26 needs more than two action scenes and not at the end of the film. Have them spaced out. And Bond 26 doesn't need to be close to three hours. 120 to 130 minutes is enough.

    There are more than two action sequences, plenty of fisticuffs and some smaller action bits. I really think people are going in expecting way too much. MI was always about tension and the thrills created by the challenge of the mission. To my mind this film delivers on that.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Do we think it's going to make a billion at the end of its run?

    It’s done $195m world wide in its first three days, so would need a little over a x5 multiplier to get there.

    That’s a big ask, especially in an age where films arent given space to have a full cinema run, and are dumped on VoD platforms within weeks.

    DR opened to $235m world wide in its opening weekend, though I am not sure if the territories are the same so makes a direct comparison more tricky. That went on to do $571m.

    Looking at the next month of releases, there is nothing really comparable until Ballerina and F1 open (in terms of audience demographics), so I would hope it holds better than DR.

    It's a flop but I guess it doesn't matter at this point.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Do we think it's going to make a billion at the end of its run?

    It’s done $195m world wide in its first three days, so would need a little over a x5 multiplier to get there.

    That’s a big ask, especially in an age where films arent given space to have a full cinema run, and are dumped on VoD platforms within weeks.

    DR opened to $235m world wide in its opening weekend, though I am not sure if the territories are the same so makes a direct comparison more tricky. That went on to do $571m.

    Looking at the next month of releases, there is nothing really comparable until Ballerina and F1 open (in terms of audience demographics), so I would hope it holds better than DR.

    It's a flop but I guess it doesn't matter at this point.

    The problem is it’s astronomical $400m budget, and that is before P&A.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    No, doesn't Mission Impossible usually do 4× its opening weekend? 4× 200 million = 800 million, plus Premium VOD, plus the value the movie adds to the franchise as a whole in terms of Bluray/digital sales.

    The movie will most likely make a profit when all is said and done, same as Dead Reckoning did in the end.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
    Posts: 184
    thedove wrote: »
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    There are more than two action sequences, plenty of fisticuffs and some smaller action bits. I really think people are going in expecting way too much. MI was always about tension and the thrills created by the challenge of the mission. To my mind this film delivers on that.

    Fully agree - I just booked tickets to see again on Thursday. I recommend watching the movie and not forming views based on 2nd hand opinions.
  • Another way the movie managed to piss me off, the M:I theme at the beginning of the movie just seemed sterile and lacking in any punch. This is the music that is supposed to get me pumped for the action to come.

    It’s like if the gun barrel music had used a harp for the guitar part.
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