EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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    That's entirely speculative from my part, mind you, but what might happen is that Blofeld is hinted at from the first film, and bit like Moriarty was in that Holmes movie. Never liked Guy Ritchie's Holmes, that said I think Moriarty is the one thing he did well, at least in terms of casting and demeanor.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I suspect the new Lex Luthor in Superman this year will have us not wanting our bald Blofeld back in his classic way, just guessing. I personally would like them to move on, or start with Brandt in the first film.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They’ll definitely use Blofeld again, but I hope they hold off on that. Ideally you don’t use SPECTRE at all for the next Bond. Just focus on original villains and maybe consider bringing back Blofeld for Bond #8 in like 2042.

    Of course, there’s no guarantee Amazon won’t try bringing back other villains like Dr. No.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 20 Posts: 8,912
    Honestly I wish they'd just bring back snooping. Some of the most atmospheric and memorable sequences of old films is when Bond is scoping out somewhere, and it's also a great way to dole out some quick stabs of exposition without it being too blatant, think about Bond infiltrating the test facility in San Fran in AVTAK, or Dalton planting the cigarette device on the windowsill in LTK.
  • Posts: 15,668
    Honestly I wish they'd just bring back snooping. Some of the most atmospheric and memorable sequences of old films is when Bond is scoping out somewhere, and it's also a great way to dole out some quick stabs of exposition without it being too blatant, think about Bond infiltrating the test facility in San Fran in AVTAK, or Dalton planting the cigarette device on the windowsill in LTK.

    I hope so too. It provides both atmosphere and suspense.
    They’ll definitely use Blofeld again, but I hope they hold off on that. Ideally you don’t use SPECTRE at all for the next Bond. Just focus on original villains and maybe consider bringing back Blofeld for Bond #8 in like 2042.

    Of course, there’s no guarantee Amazon won’t try bringing back other villains like Dr. No.

    I don't think they'll hold off that long: he's one the most recognisable villains not merely in the Bond franchise, but in all franchises.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 20 Posts: 6,716
    I think Blofeld will be back sooner than later. Again, Amazon paid $4 billion.

    If Blofeld returns, I wish they would do him with fewer of the cliches like the bald head, the scar, the white cat. Of these three, the cat is the signifier that it's Blofeld to the general audience, right? The shapeshifter of the novels would be welcome.

    One of the missed opportunities of the Craig era was that they didn't establish Jesper Christensen as Blofeld because he did something very interesting with Mr. White that he easily could have pivoted into Blofeld. I mean, he's an amazing actor.

    It is going to be tempting to Amazon to reboot a villain in any case, and Dr. No is a good choice. Frobe's GF may be too iconic to reboot, but you never know.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think enough time has passed that there wouldn’t be skepticism over a new Goldfinger. There’s been so much recasting with Bond, it would practically be expected. I think CR would be exempt from new adaptation, just because that film is still relatively fresh in the grand scheme of things, and especially given how renowned it’s been for 20 years.

    Personally I wouldn’t want to see any new adaptations, at least on the big screen. If they did faithful adaptations they could probably function best as direct to streaming since they’re low key thrillers without insane set pieces like the Madagascar chase.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    So many of my friends and associates, many in the film business, have lost interest in the MI franchise - too much "Cruise Control" is a comment I have heard more than once.

    I always say MI has a remarkably 'soft' fanbase for a major franchise. Not everyone who goes to see Bond movies are major fans, but there's something about them as a cinema event that gets people going to the cinema whenever a new film is released, even just out of habit. MI doesn't quite have that every time. Very much a 'if it's the only thing on I'll see it, but I can easily catch this at home' type thing.

    But to be honest, I'm really mixed on them. I really don't like Tom Cruise as an action hero (I find he works better playing slightly creepy, off putting characters like in Magnolia or even Tropic Thunder). Fallout was pretty good. I didn't enjoy Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation, and the first three have their highs and lows.

    Of the MI franchise, I only ever watched the tv series, the first movie (which I enjoyed quite a lot) and some of the third one.

    You're missing out on some great stuff: it went from strength to strength from no.4.

    Really curious.... have you watched the original TV series? The movies really miss the core of what made the original IMF so special. As a stand alone series the MI films HAVE gotten better over the years except for this final one which is getting reamed by reviewers.
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    I think TSWLM showed that you can take aspects from previous films (YOLT) and reuse them, provided there is still unique characters and ideas mixed in. That’s as far as I’d like to see any remakes, myself. I see comparisons between AVTAK and GF, yet I think AVTAK has a different enough setup from Goldfinger that makes it feel like it isn’t an outright remake.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    So many of my friends and associates, many in the film business, have lost interest in the MI franchise - too much "Cruise Control" is a comment I have heard more than once.

    I always say MI has a remarkably 'soft' fanbase for a major franchise. Not everyone who goes to see Bond movies are major fans, but there's something about them as a cinema event that gets people going to the cinema whenever a new film is released, even just out of habit. MI doesn't quite have that every time. Very much a 'if it's the only thing on I'll see it, but I can easily catch this at home' type thing.

    But to be honest, I'm really mixed on them. I really don't like Tom Cruise as an action hero (I find he works better playing slightly creepy, off putting characters like in Magnolia or even Tropic Thunder). Fallout was pretty good. I didn't enjoy Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation, and the first three have their highs and lows.

    Of the MI franchise, I only ever watched the tv series, the first movie (which I enjoyed quite a lot) and some of the third one.

    You're missing out on some great stuff: it went from strength to strength from no.4.

    Really curious.... have you watched the original TV series? The movies really miss the core of what made the original IMF so special. As a stand alone series the MI films HAVE gotten better over the years except for this final one which is getting reamed by reviewers.

    I have seen it, I never really loved it to be fair. I mainly saw the early seasons where everything usually went like clockwork and it was quite undramatic and sterile; I understand as it went on they introduced more of the plans going wrong and added a bit more jeopardy. I don't think the films lose the good stuff from the show, indeed stuff like the hospital bed opening to Fallout actively riffs on gags from the show, like the Submarine episode.
    Not really true it's being reamed by reviewers either, a lot are very positive, some don't like it.
  • Posts: 2,000
    Blofeld was not always bald in the original films nor in the books.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    If Amazon are looking at doing another modern take on Blofeld, I hope they do it better....with a bit of invention as well. That's if they (Amazon) want Blofeld to appear again...so soon.

    They probably will want him to appear again, and maybe quite soon. Whether they'll do it better, that's another matter entirely.

    That's the thing. If they can do it better.

    After SP and NTTD, it'd be hard to sink the character lower.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's entirely speculative from my part, mind you, but what might happen is that Blofeld is hinted at from the first film, and bit like Moriarty was in that Holmes movie. Never liked Guy Ritchie's Holmes, that said I think Moriarty is the one thing he did well, at least in terms of casting and demeanor.

    Yes, I agree, with all of your viewpoints. But in today's internet leaks and rumors, it would be hard to keep Blofeld's actor a secret.
    They’ll definitely use Blofeld again, but I hope they hold off on that. Ideally you don’t use SPECTRE at all for the next Bond. Just focus on original villains and maybe consider bringing back Blofeld for Bond #8 in like 2042.

    Of course, there’s no guarantee Amazon won’t try bringing back other villains like Dr. No.
    echo wrote: »
    I think Blofeld will be back sooner than later. Again, Amazon paid $4 billion.

    If Blofeld returns, I wish they would do him with fewer of the cliches like the bald head, the scar, the white cat. Of these three, the cat is the signifier that it's Blofeld to the general audience, right? The shapeshifter of the novels would be welcome.

    One of the missed opportunities of the Craig era was that they didn't establish Jesper Christensen as Blofeld because he did something very interesting with Mr. White that he easily could have pivoted into Blofeld. I mean, he's an amazing actor.

    It is going to be tempting to Amazon to reboot a villain in any case, and Dr. No is a good choice. Frobe's GF may be too iconic to reboot, but you never know.
    I think enough time has passed that there wouldn’t be skepticism over a new Goldfinger. There’s been so much recasting with Bond, it would practically be expected. I think CR would be exempt from new adaptation, just because that film is still relatively fresh in the grand scheme of things, and especially given how renowned it’s been for 20 years.

    Personally I wouldn’t want to see any new adaptations, at least on the big screen. If they did faithful adaptations they could probably function best as direct to streaming since they’re low key thrillers without insane set pieces like the Madagascar chase.

    Blofeld is too iconic with Bond not to be used. Dr. No and Goldfinger have been brought back already, in comics, but still. There are a number of old Bond villains that could be done in a modern day. I also think that there are chances unused Fleming material and a continuation novel or two could be filmed. Jack Reacher could be an example that they use, only from a cinematic viewpoint.
  • Posts: 15,668
    echo wrote: »
    I think Blofeld will be back sooner than later. Again, Amazon paid $4 billion.

    If Blofeld returns, I wish they would do him with fewer of the cliches like the bald head, the scar, the white cat. Of these three, the cat is the signifier that it's Blofeld to the general audience, right? The shapeshifter of the novels would be welcome.

    One of the missed opportunities of the Craig era was that they didn't establish Jesper Christensen as Blofeld because he did something very interesting with Mr. White that he easily could have pivoted into Blofeld. I mean, he's an amazing actor.

    It is going to be tempting to Amazon to reboot a villain in any case, and Dr. No is a good choice. Frobe's GF may be too iconic to reboot, but you never know.
    Blofeld is Mr Blue, not Mr White. I'm joking, but I always thought the new SPECTRE (and Quantum which was always a crypto SPECTRE anyway) was somewhat colour coded instead of number coded. So you had among its key figures a Mr White, a Mr Greene, a Silva (silver?), and... and a Blofeld.
  • Posts: 5,249
    It's difficult to say whether Blofeld/SPECTRE will return immediately, and I actually don't think it's quite the given many are claiming it to be. Don't get me wrong, it could well happen. But to some extent it's easier having one off villains each time.

    Anyway, Blofeld's a tricky character to get right. Without that personal, 'our paths have crossed' element with Bond, he's just a generic villain.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,640
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    So many of my friends and associates, many in the film business, have lost interest in the MI franchise - too much "Cruise Control" is a comment I have heard more than once.

    I always say MI has a remarkably 'soft' fanbase for a major franchise. Not everyone who goes to see Bond movies are major fans, but there's something about them as a cinema event that gets people going to the cinema whenever a new film is released, even just out of habit. MI doesn't quite have that every time. Very much a 'if it's the only thing on I'll see it, but I can easily catch this at home' type thing.

    But to be honest, I'm really mixed on them. I really don't like Tom Cruise as an action hero (I find he works better playing slightly creepy, off putting characters like in Magnolia or even Tropic Thunder). Fallout was pretty good. I didn't enjoy Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation, and the first three have their highs and lows.

    Of the MI franchise, I only ever watched the tv series, the first movie (which I enjoyed quite a lot) and some of the third one.

    You're missing out on some great stuff: it went from strength to strength from no.4.

    Really curious.... have you watched the original TV series? The movies really miss the core of what made the original IMF so special. As a stand alone series the MI films HAVE gotten better over the years except for this final one which is getting reamed by reviewers.

    I really hope when Cruise is done with these films that we get a revival series that brings back an emphasis on the team and mind game heists. No more big showy stunts. I become less impressed with those the more Cruise pushes for those because it’s less about entertainment and more about his inflated ego. It only got worse with people hailing him as some savior of cinema with the TOP GUN sequel.
  • Posts: 8,173
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    So many of my friends and associates, many in the film business, have lost interest in the MI franchise - too much "Cruise Control" is a comment I have heard more than once.

    I always say MI has a remarkably 'soft' fanbase for a major franchise. Not everyone who goes to see Bond movies are major fans, but there's something about them as a cinema event that gets people going to the cinema whenever a new film is released, even just out of habit. MI doesn't quite have that every time. Very much a 'if it's the only thing on I'll see it, but I can easily catch this at home' type thing.

    But to be honest, I'm really mixed on them. I really don't like Tom Cruise as an action hero (I find he works better playing slightly creepy, off putting characters like in Magnolia or even Tropic Thunder). Fallout was pretty good. I didn't enjoy Ghost Protocol or Rogue Nation, and the first three have their highs and lows.

    Of the MI franchise, I only ever watched the tv series, the first movie (which I enjoyed quite a lot) and some of the third one.

    You're missing out on some great stuff: it went from strength to strength from no.4.

    Really curious.... have you watched the original TV series? The movies really miss the core of what made the original IMF so special. As a stand alone series the MI films HAVE gotten better over the years except for this final one which is getting reamed by reviewers.

    I really hope when Cruise is done with these films that we get a revival series that brings back an emphasis on the team and mind game heists. No more big showy stunts. I become less impressed with those the more Cruise pushes for those because it’s less about entertainment and more about his inflated ego. It only got worse with people hailing him as some savior of cinema with the TOP GUN sequel.

    Agree totally!
    My service users have asked me to bring them to see it. After the tedious last effort, I'm not looking forward to it!
  • Posts: 15,668
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's difficult to say whether Blofeld/SPECTRE will return immediately, and I actually don't think it's quite the given many are claiming it to be. Don't get me wrong, it could well happen. But to some extent it's easier having one off villains each time.

    Anyway, Blofeld's a tricky character to get right. Without that personal, 'our paths have crossed' element with Bond, he's just a generic villain.

    It's just my gut feeling talking, which of course is always right. No, but seriously, I do think he'll be introduced fairly early on,although not as a main villain. They can still have one off villains, like they did with Connery, even though Blofeld and SPECTRE were there early on.

    I hope they develop the personal angle instead of just throwing it in. Nemesis are like any kind of relationship: they need to develop. That's why I far prefer the Batman Joker nemesis in TDK than in the Burton movie. They made it personal, they didn't force it.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I hope Amazon don't reboot villains aside from Blofeld. They're too iconic to be remade, be original, chart your own course.

    Keep the essence of what Bond is, but always aim to move forwards
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I hope Amazon don't reboot villains aside from Blofeld. They're too iconic to be remade, be original, chart your own course.

    Keep the essence of what Bond is, but always aim to move forwards
    Same, not a fan of it. I would like to see Bunt return though, but somewhat in the background and never meeting Bond.
  • edited 11:31am Posts: 5,249
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's difficult to say whether Blofeld/SPECTRE will return immediately, and I actually don't think it's quite the given many are claiming it to be. Don't get me wrong, it could well happen. But to some extent it's easier having one off villains each time.

    Anyway, Blofeld's a tricky character to get right. Without that personal, 'our paths have crossed' element with Bond, he's just a generic villain.

    It's just my gut feeling talking, which of course is always right. No, but seriously, I do think he'll be introduced fairly early on,although not as a main villain. They can still have one off villains, like they did with Connery, even though Blofeld and SPECTRE were there early on.

    I hope they develop the personal angle instead of just throwing it in. Nemesis are like any kind of relationship: they need to develop. That's why I far prefer the Batman Joker nemesis in TDK than in the Burton movie. They made it personal, they didn't force it.

    It’s tricky to tell at this point, but it could go either way. While Blofeld’s cat, scar, and bald head are quite iconic for the films, I don’t think that character has the ‘Joker’ expectation Batman has, for example. It’d be unusual not having a Joker in a new Batman series at all, but including SPECTRE in a new Bond film would be noteworthy.

    It could work though. Or it won’t. There have plenty of ropey Moriartys in Sherlock Holmes adaptations (ie Andrew Scott) and some good ones (Jared Harris) and I’d say that’s a character more comparable to Blofeld than Joker is for Batman if that makes sense.
  • Posts: 1,978
    Reimagining characters is a good idea if you want to retain some of Fleming's influence in the films. It's going to be very difficult to maintain that balance between the new and the classic as the years go by.
  • edited 11:35am Posts: 5,249
    Well, Blofeld as we know him is more a thing of the films I’d argue. I think they’d approach a reimagining of Blofeld by looking mostly at what the movies did, and less so Fleming.
  • Posts: 1,978
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, Blofeld as we know him is more a thing of the films I’d argue. I think they’d approach a reimagining of Blofeld by looking mostly at what the movies did, and less so Fleming.


    Well, that's why they can do a remake. There's room to do something different.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 11:43am Posts: 2,583
    I agree @MaxCasino it would be hard to go lower with Blofeld, after SP & NTTD. But I was just wondering, if Amazon would do better. They should, though. Since they have SP & NTTD to learn from.
    I think the modern way should be...just make him a stealthy villain. An elusive villain. Like the earlier films suggested. The one that uses his voice to taunt Bond. Bond finding it hard to locate him. Yeah, stuffs like that.

    Also, I agree @Jordo007 Blofeld should be the only Bond villain that should keep showing up in different eras.
  • Posts: 5,249
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, Blofeld as we know him is more a thing of the films I’d argue. I think they’d approach a reimagining of Blofeld by looking mostly at what the movies did, and less so Fleming.


    Well, that's why they can do a remake. There's room to do something different.

    Sure, but ultimately it’s doubtful they’d stray too far into something different or completely scrap that James Bond film iconography (ie. Would any ordinary viewer recognise a version of Blofeld who didn’t at some point have his white cat? Or have some sort of spin on his plans in the early films etc).

    But sure, they could do something different to an extent, and that’s fine. But I imagine there will be a spin more in the EON films, and I don’t think it’ll necessarily mean much in terms of keeping a thread to Fleming.
  • edited 11:52am Posts: 1,978
    If you can reimagine Bond, you can certainly do it with the other characters.

    I don't know why they can't be given the same treatment they're already giving the main character.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    As long as Cuaron gets the directors job we won't have to worry about anything weird like redefining the villains. He is far too cognizant to think that's going to go over well. The producers were a good start, but I won't feel completely at ease until we know we're in safe hands.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 11:56am Posts: 2,583
    I'm just wondering, though. Because this rumour has been floating around for months now. If Cuaron is indeed Bond 26's director, surely, Amazon should have announced him by now? I don't know.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,716
    I think the white cat is the only element truly required for Blofeld. Ironically, DAF got that right--they jettisoned the baldness and the scar but kept the cat! And audiences understood it was Blofeld. SP did the same thing...at least for a while.
  • edited 12:31pm Posts: 5,249
    If you can reimagine Bond, you can certainly do it with the other characters.

    I don't know why they can't be given the same treatment they're already giving the main character.

    I agree with that. Not trying to argue Blofeld or Bond can’t be reimagined. I’m just saying it doesn’t guarantee that Fleming inspiration/influence you mentioned.
    echo wrote: »
    I think the white cat is the only element truly required for Blofeld. Ironically, DAF got that right--they jettisoned the baldness and the scar but kept the cat! And audiences understood it was Blofeld. SP did the same thing...at least for a while.

    They kept the Nehru jacket throughout all of them that Pleasance first had to be fair. I’m sure there’s other overlaps too, albeit superficial ones.
    As long as Cuaron gets the directors job we won't have to worry about anything weird like redefining the villains. He is far too cognizant to think that's going to go over well. The producers were a good start, but I won't feel completely at ease until we know we're in safe hands.

    I’m not sure it guarantees anything honestly. Truth is we don’t know what he’d do as a director, under what circumstances he’d accept, and I suspect much of it depends on what Amazon and the producers want. Anyway, if Sam Mendes can make a film like SP, or Danny Boyle be hired to write/direct a Bond film under the condition Bond die at the end, I have no doubt a director like Cuarón could make a 007 film where something ‘weird’ happens.
    I'm just wondering, though. Because this rumour has been floating around for months now. If Cuaron is indeed Bond 26's director, surely, Amazon should have announced him by now? I don't know.

    Films have long timelines. I mean, look at the pre production of CR. We know the script began being written in May ‘04, and Campbell was announced as director in February ‘05. Bond 26 is at an even earlier stage compared to that. Also, at the current time the Cuaron stuff is just rumours as far as we know. It could be true, but he may not be directing in practice.
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