EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited May 11 Posts: 9,589
    peter wrote: »
    I agree with this assessment, Cuaron can make a Bond film that stands the test of time.


    Counter:

    His HP film was 21 years ago.

    In that span, Cuaron has only directed three other films. Roma (his last feature), was a lovely looking, boring mess (if one wants to see how proper character studies work, I suggest watching WHITE LOTUS-- not really a story, more of character study/commentary, beautifully handled).

    Last year he directed the series DISCLAIMER, another lovely looking messy narrative, saved mainly by Blanchett's performance (the ever-changing tones gave me whiplash).

    He may be best for Bond, or maybe not so much, but--

    If people thought CR was a hard reboot, I'd wager this is the genuine deal: for the first time since its inception, the James Bond films of canon won't be produced by a Saltzman, a Broccoli, or a Wilson.

    This is as close to unchartered waters as one can get.

    Why would the producers put their faith in one director, without exploring all possible avenues of talent? I just don't believe they have done this (or, if the rumours were true, I think Cuaron would have been officially signed by now. He isn't. That is telling).

    Cuaron may end up getting the gig, but I hope/think, it'll be after a very intense search.

    There's absolutely no rush to get a Bond film in cinemas tomorrow. Whenever it does get released, it'll be a huge announcement, whether it be a year from now, or three years from now, or five years from now.

    Gotta push back on this take - especially on Roma. Calling it a "boring mess" and comparing it to White Lotus feels way off base. Roma isn’t trying to be a soap-operatic character collage like White Lotus. It’s a memory piece - deeply personal, quiet, and observational. It's more Jeanne Dielman than anything else, focusing on the texture of everyday life and the invisible emotional labor of a domestic worker holding an entire family together. It's not a traditional narrative; it's a slow-burn meditation. It won Best Director for a reason - Cuaron brought intimacy and scale to something that could’ve been a drag in lesser hands.

    As for Disclaimer, totally agree with you there - Cuaron felt misplaced. It was a misfire, sure. Eight episodes of what felt like a stretched-out thriller with nowhere near enough juice in the story. It looked great (of course), but yeah, it had that overcooked streaming bloat that even a director like him couldn’t save. Like giving Lewis Hamilton a Micra and telling him to break records. He was the wrong fit for the material.

    But jumping from that to “Cuaron might not be the right guy for Bond” or worse, that he’s somehow past his prime? Nah, I’m not buying it. This guy did Children of Men and Gravity, both technical and narrative masterclasses.

    And about him not being announced yet - well, that’s just how these things go. No trades have confirmed anything, but that doesn’t mean the talks aren’t real or serious. If the rumours weren’t solid, we wouldn’t still be hearing them this consistently.

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    I didn’t like Roma, at all, other than visually. I mentioned White Lotus as a way to tackle a character-centric narrative that perhaps lacks in plot and story.

    I also didn’t say Cuaron was washed up.

    I did say he hasn’t made many films since his HP film, and his last feature film was, to me, a mess narratively, but, yes, technically beautiful.

    No matter what one thinks about Roma, and I’m glad you got more out of it than I did, pacing and structure hardly screams out “Bond”.

    Children of Men is my favourite film of his, far more moving and visceral than Gravity (which technically again was sound, but I was frustrated with narrative after 40 minutes), but that was made 19 years ago.

    I didn’t say he’s not right for Bond, and did say he may get the gig, I only hope they’re exploring all avenues of talent, and not putting their hat on one guy without investigating others (which I said I think/hope they’re doing).

    What I posted isn’t contrarian, nor meant to be. It’s based a little bit on personal bias (I think Roma was a beautifully shot melodrama that was immensely boring to this viewer), and a little bit of reality: the guy has shot three films in 21 years, and none of his recent output screams James Bond.

    Saying all of that, he may be the guy, I only hope that before he, or any director is chosen, it’s after exhausting all the potential talent that’s available.

    No rush for Bond to come out tomorrow. Whenever it comes, it’s going to blow the lid off the news on that day. But my hope is they get the right director, then script, then the right man. Take time. Exhaust all avenues. Get the best available talent.

    That’s all.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,893
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,589
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,684
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I agree with this assessment, Cuaron can make a Bond film that stands the test of time.


    Counter:

    His HP film was 21 years ago.

    In that span, Cuaron has only directed three other films. Roma (his last feature), was a lovely looking, boring mess (if one wants to see how proper character studies work, I suggest watching WHITE LOTUS-- not really a story, more of character study/commentary, beautifully handled).

    Last year he directed the series DISCLAIMER, another lovely looking messy narrative, saved mainly by Blanchett's performance (the ever-changing tones gave me whiplash).

    He may be best for Bond, or maybe not so much, but--

    If people thought CR was a hard reboot, I'd wager this is the genuine deal: for the first time since its inception, the James Bond films of canon won't be produced by a Saltzman, a Broccoli, or a Wilson.

    This is as close to unchartered waters as one can get.

    Why would the producers put their faith in one director, without exploring all possible avenues of talent? I just don't believe they have done this (or, if the rumours were true, I think Cuaron would have been officially signed by now. He isn't. That is telling).

    Cuaron may end up getting the gig, but I hope/think, it'll be after a very intense search.

    There's absolutely no rush to get a Bond film in cinemas tomorrow. Whenever it does get released, it'll be a huge announcement, whether it be a year from now, or three years from now, or five years from now.

    Gotta push back on this take - especially on Roma. Calling it a "boring mess" and comparing it to White Lotus feels way off base. Roma isn’t trying to be a soap-operatic character collage like White Lotus. It’s a memory piece - deeply personal, quiet, and observational. It's more Jeanne Dielman than anything else, focusing on the texture of everyday life and the invisible emotional labor of a domestic worker holding an entire family together. It's not a traditional narrative; it's a slow-burn meditation. It won Best Director for a reason - Cuaron brought intimacy and scale to something that could’ve been a drag in lesser hands.

    As for Disclaimer, totally agree with you there - Cuaron felt misplaced. It was a misfire, sure. Eight episodes of what felt like a stretched-out thriller with nowhere near enough juice in the story. It looked great (of course), but yeah, it had that overcooked streaming bloat that even a director like him couldn’t save. Like giving Lewis Hamilton a Micra and telling him to break records. He was the wrong fit for the material.

    But jumping from that to “Cuaron might not be the right guy for Bond” or worse, that he’s somehow past his prime? Nah, I’m not buying it. This guy did Children of Men and Gravity, both technical and narrative masterclasses.

    And about him not being announced yet - well, that’s just how these things go. No trades have confirmed anything, but that doesn’t mean the talks aren’t real or serious. If the rumours weren’t solid, we wouldn’t still be hearing them this consistently.

    960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=960

    I didn’t like Roma, at all, other than visually. I mentioned White Lotis as a way to tackle a character-centric narrative that perhaps lacks in plot and story.

    I also didn’t say Cuaron was washed up.

    I did say he hasn’t made many films since his HP films, and his last feature film was, to me, a mess narratively, but, yes, technically beautiful.

    No matter what one thinks about Roma, and I’m glad you got more out of it than I did, pacing and structure hardly screams out “Bond”.

    Children of Men is my favourite film of his, far more moving and visceral than Gravity (which technically again was sound, but I was frustrated with narrative after 40 minutes), but that was made 19 years ago.

    I didn’t say he’s not right for Bond, and did say he may get the gig, I only hope they’re exploring all avenues of talent, and not putting their hat on one guy without investigating others (which I said I think/hope they’re doing).

    What I posted isn’t contrarian, nor meant to be. It’s based a little bit on personal bias (I think Roma was a beautifully shot melodrama that was immensely boring to this viewer), and a little bit of reality: the guy has shot three films in 21 years, and none of his recent output screams James Bond.

    Saying all of that, he may be the guy, I only hope that before he, or any director is chosen, it’s after exhausting all the potential talent that’s available.

    No rush for Bond to come out tomorrow. Whenever it comes, it’s going to blow the lid off the news on that day. But my hope is they get the right director, then script, then the right man. Take time. Exhaust all avenues. Get the best available talent.

    That’s all.

    I agree with you about Cuaron and Roma. It was excruciatingly slow and self-indulgent, which incidentally, is probably why it didn't win, against Green Book, no less.

    The Cuaron rumor feels a lot like fanfic chatter, someone just googling Harry Potter directors after Hayman was announced. Much like ATJ, I take the Cuaron rumors with a boulder of salt.

    If Cuaron is chosen, his Bond will be a lot like Mendes, long slow takes. So a 50/50 chance of a good film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,893
    peter wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.

    I agree, the best thing for the health of the series is if we don't hear anything from amazon for the next 4 to 6 months. Let them consider everything carefully, if we don't see Bond 26 until November 2028 or later, so be it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,589
    peter wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.

    I agree, the best thing for the health of the series is if we don't hear anything from amazon for the next 4 to 6 months. Let them consider everything carefully, if we don't see Bond 26 until November 2028 or later, so be it.

    I’m with you on this 💯… They have one chance to start from scratch and explode into the new era. Make the tough and correct choices now… The beautiful thing about James Bond: when there’s an official announcement, there’s a genuine, collective, worldwide buzz.
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    I don't think they're going to find a great filmmaker under a rock either.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,893
    Well one thing is for certain, if their was any momentum or hint of a writer/script, then the trump tariff killed it, things are definitely going dormant for the foreseeable - honestly, that was a good thing for Goldeneye and Skyfall, perhaps it can work for Bond 26 as well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    I have been a Professional Firefighter for over 35 years; I belong to a union. Over the years there have been points where, during contract negotiations with the city, things got ugly; or I should say UGLY.
    Well one thing is for certain, if their was any momentum or hint of a writer/script, then the trump tariff killed it, things are definitely going dormant for the foreseeable - honestly, that was a good thing for Goldeneye and Skyfall, perhaps it can work for Bond 26 as well.

    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation. A trade deal was recently announced with the UK and China is about to follow. It’s the tip of the iceberg.

    As things apply to film, a compromise will be achieved.

    Concerning Bond , Amazon is not going to sit on its hands and wait for an agreement to be reached before it starts development. They will move forward, on their own schedule, and be ready to start actual production when appropriate.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 11 Posts: 8,893
    talos7 wrote: »
    I have been a Professional Firefighter for over 35 years; I belong to a union. Over the years there have been points where, during contract negotiations with the city, things got ugly; or I should say UGLY.
    Well one thing is for certain, if their was any momentum or hint of a writer/script, then the trump tariff killed it, things are definitely going dormant for the foreseeable - honestly, that was a good thing for Goldeneye and Skyfall, perhaps it can work for Bond 26 as well.

    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation. A trade deal was recently announced with the UK and China is about to follow. It’s the tip of the iceberg.

    As things apply to film, a compromise will be achieved.

    Concerning Bond , Amazon is not going to sit on its hands and wait for an agreement to be reached before it starts development. They will move forward, on their own schedule, and be ready to start actual production when appropriate.

    It's been over 1300 days, I'd say Amazon aren't exactly allergic to a good bit of hand-sitting.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    talos7 wrote: »
    I have been a Professional Firefighter for over 35 years; I belong to a union. Over the years there have been points where, during contract negotiations with the city, things got ugly; or I should say UGLY.
    Well one thing is for certain, if their was any momentum or hint of a writer/script, then the trump tariff killed it, things are definitely going dormant for the foreseeable - honestly, that was a good thing for Goldeneye and Skyfall, perhaps it can work for Bond 26 as well.

    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation. A trade deal was recently announced with the UK and China is about to follow. It’s the tip of the iceberg.

    As things apply to film, a compromise will be achieved.

    Concerning Bond , Amazon is not going to sit on its hands and wait for an agreement to be reached before it starts development. They will move forward, on their own schedule, and be ready to start actual production when appropriate.

    It's been over 1300 days, I'd say Amazon aren't exactly allergic to a good bit of hand-sitting.

    Obviously they know that there are issues that have to be addressed, but eventually, I believe sooner than later, a new Bond will be produced.

    Moving ahead on developing that project is completely independent of the financial and political complexities.

    They will want to be ready to go.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 11 Posts: 17,981
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.

    I agree, the best thing for the health of the series is if we don't hear anything from amazon for the next 4 to 6 months. Let them consider everything carefully, if we don't see Bond 26 until November 2028 or later, so be it.

    I’m with you on this 💯… They have one chance to start from scratch and explode into the new era. Make the tough and correct choices now… The beautiful thing about James Bond: when there’s an official announcement, there’s a genuine, collective, worldwide buzz.

    Yeah, I think the funny thing is with the announcement of the producers is that it's the first time that we've kind of been told that work on the next Bond is actually commencing; before it's always quietly started behind closed doors, or even a slightly vague process from one film to another, with preparations even starting while the previous film is still going. This time there was an actual announcement about Day One, and to be fair we don't know for sure that they have properly started even yet: these are busy people with films they haven't even released yet. So we're a bit unused to knowing how long this part takes, and it is miles away.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation.

    Negotiation with who? As already stated, the problem with Hollywood not using the US is because of the US itself, negotiating with itself would be bizarre. And the US/UK trade deal was hardly a big success, it was more done because Trump basically had to announce something as everything he's done recently has flopped so much. It's not even a proper deal and has barely changed anything (don't believe him when he says the UK somehow had very bad terms previously against the US, as per usual it's not true), they were only talking for a few days.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    Sigh…. Ok, we’ll see how things play out.

    I’m signing off for a while, or indefinitely; I have little problem with the anti Trump stance of some, but throughout many topics there is a repulsive, petty, ant-American bigotry that has become unbearable.

    It’s been fun but ‘this has been tiresome
    🇺🇸
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,893
    @mtm I agree, all we have to go on is "they have flown to the UK to begin work" which could easily be media spin. Part of "being ready" is making sure that you can commit your full energies to a project, that's an important step in the process.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,684
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.

    I agree, the best thing for the health of the series is if we don't hear anything from amazon for the next 4 to 6 months. Let them consider everything carefully, if we don't see Bond 26 until November 2028 or later, so be it.

    I’m with you on this 💯… They have one chance to start from scratch and explode into the new era. Make the tough and correct choices now… The beautiful thing about James Bond: when there’s an official announcement, there’s a genuine, collective, worldwide buzz.

    Yeah, I think the funny thing is with the announcement of the producers is that it's the first time that we've kind of been told that work on the next Bond is actually commencing; before it's always quietly started behind closed doors, or even a slightly vague process from one film to another, with preparations even starting while the previous film is still going. This time there was an actual announcement about Day One, and to be fair we don't know for sure that they have properly started even yet: these are busy people with films they haven't even released yet. So we're a bit unused to knowing how long this part takes, and it is miles away.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation.

    Negotiation with who? As already stated, the problem with Hollywood not using the US is because of the US itself, negotiating with itself would be bizarre. And the US/UK trade deal was hardly a big success, it was more done because Trump basically had to announce something as everything he's done recently has flopped so much. It's not even a proper deal and has barely changed anything (don't believe him when he says the UK somehow had very bad terms previously against the US, as per usual it's not true), they were only talking for a few days.

    I hope that they take the opportunity for a creative clean slate with Bond. I am not worried about the "movie tariff" sticking, as it is nonsensical, to say the least.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,981
    @mtm I agree, all we have to go on is "they have flown to the UK to begin work" which could easily be media spin. Part of "being ready" is making sure that you can commit your full energies to a project, that's an important step in the process.

    Yes, I must admit I took that comment about being London and starting work with a pinch of salt slightly. I mean, I'm not saying they were flat out lying about being in London or anything, but I don't know if they'd have been fully on it as such. As I say, they've got a movie they've made together which is about to come out, plus Pascal has the next Spider Man which is further along the process than Bond is etc. Unlike with Eon, these guys have other irons in the fire; I've no idea if that slows things down or what, or even how quickly Eon got things done when they were only a few weeks in.
    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think Tamahori or Forster were the best guys for the job at the time. :-??

    I’d agree to an extent.

    That’s my point though: a genuine re-set. New leaders at the helm (and both very talented). I can’t imagine they’re only speaking and pinning their hopes to one guy.

    I agree, the best thing for the health of the series is if we don't hear anything from amazon for the next 4 to 6 months. Let them consider everything carefully, if we don't see Bond 26 until November 2028 or later, so be it.

    I’m with you on this 💯… They have one chance to start from scratch and explode into the new era. Make the tough and correct choices now… The beautiful thing about James Bond: when there’s an official announcement, there’s a genuine, collective, worldwide buzz.

    Yeah, I think the funny thing is with the announcement of the producers is that it's the first time that we've kind of been told that work on the next Bond is actually commencing; before it's always quietly started behind closed doors, or even a slightly vague process from one film to another, with preparations even starting while the previous film is still going. This time there was an actual announcement about Day One, and to be fair we don't know for sure that they have properly started even yet: these are busy people with films they haven't even released yet. So we're a bit unused to knowing how long this part takes, and it is miles away.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Oh please, that is ludicrous ; tariffs prompt negotiation.

    Negotiation with who? As already stated, the problem with Hollywood not using the US is because of the US itself, negotiating with itself would be bizarre. And the US/UK trade deal was hardly a big success, it was more done because Trump basically had to announce something as everything he's done recently has flopped so much. It's not even a proper deal and has barely changed anything (don't believe him when he says the UK somehow had very bad terms previously against the US, as per usual it's not true), they were only talking for a few days.

    I hope that they take the opportunity for a creative clean slate with Bond. I am not worried about the "movie tariff" sticking, as it is nonsensical, to say the least.

    Yeah, I tend to agree that it'll probably disappear for that reason, but I do worry that the uncertainty it will produce will have slowed things down even more unnecessarily, especially for films as early on in the process as B26 is.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited May 11 Posts: 8,269
    talos7 wrote: »
    Sigh…. Ok, we’ll see how things play out.

    I’m signing off for a while, or indefinitely; I have little problem with the anti Trump stance of some, but throughout many topics there is a repulsive, petty, ant-American bigotry that has become unbearable.

    It’s been fun but ‘this has been tiresome
    🇺🇸

    It's not anti-American to highlight how counterintuitive the potential impacts of these tariffs could be. This is over-sensitivity disguised as patriotic speak. The question remains who exactly is incentivised to negotiate. I'd be very curious to hear the answer and I'm interested in seeing how it pans out.

    I, for one, had an investor pull out of a project due to the tariffs having a negative effect on potential North American distribution on completion. It might not go that route (though it looks that way) but even the mere thought of it is enough to completely flatline a lot of things that are in the development stage. It's no good when investors panic because nobody works, and then nobody gets paid.
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    Not long ago the industry had a couple of strikes. What happened? Did everyone leave the US?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Let's say they announced tomorrow that a writer/director has been hired to creatively handle the next film, can a complete film be written, shot and exhibited in 3 years?
  • Posts: 1,927
    Let's say they announced tomorrow that a writer/director has been hired to creatively handle the next film, can a complete film be written, shot and exhibited in 3 years?

    They can make it in two years.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    There's even a possibility that Amazon/Pascal & Heyman are currently reading Fleming's novels. Surely, apart from the 25 films, the books are very important too...if not more important.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    They can probably do that in their own time though! :P
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,537
    mtm wrote: »
    They can probably do that in their own time though! :P

    Haha! True.
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    Or checking out the scripts and pieces in the vaults. Pick one and make it great!
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