EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,984
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    One element that has not been touched upon here that has the potential of reducing cost is technology.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,984
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors by driving up prices- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 9 Posts: 1,869
    talos7 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    My question this whole time has been, why should Bond yield to American will? That seems odd, that it's getting so politicized in the US when its a UK character. Is it because it's now an American studio? Don't they now somehow have to reckon with Pinewood? It'd be better if there was localized specialization. UK does big water tank shoots bc Pinewood is capable of that. Australia/NZ get Post-production work because they're the best at it. Hollywood focuses on studio stuff and prestige TV. Idk though.

    This isn't a "Bond" specific issue, is a "Film" issue. From big water tanks to post-production, there is no reason that the U. S. cannot be competitive in both.

    I do know that individual States have done quite well by offering incentives. I live in Louisiana and quite a few big productions have come here because of Tax incentives .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_Louisiana

    I get it's broader than Bond, I was asking why Trump is soloing out Bond. It's clear its big international projects like Bond that Trump and Hollywood are jealous of. This is protectionism. I found Eon and Bond interesting because they operate outside of the traditional system. Why threaten that? I have no interest, as a Bond fan, in changing that arrangement. I don't see how more American involvement could possibly improve James Bond. I don't care where my movies are made as long as there is a GROWING industry and its producing good content. I think the issue is streaming has killed classic Hollywood demand and I'm not really sure there is a forceful solution to reversing that.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,869
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.

    Arresting David Zazlov would go a long way.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,984
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.

    There's a reason it's called a 'trade war'. But the genius move here is that it affects US businesses adversely as well as attempting to destroy other countries' industries.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,475
    talos7 wrote: »
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.

    Sorry mate, but when you're claiming that your closest allies are 'ripping you off', you're not exactly in compromise territory...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,528
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.

    Sorry mate, but when you're claiming that your closest allies are 'ripping you off', you're not exactly in compromise territory...

    Absolutely you are; like making sausage, this will not be pretty but in the end, as was the recent trade agreement with the UK , it will be sorted out.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,684
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    In your opinion.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,894
    The special relationship endures.
  • Posts: 432
    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    In your opinion.

    Whatever the intention, this has been the completely wrong way, wrong policy, wrong man to do it.

  • Posts: 384
    So do we think Trump was the basis for Brad Whitaker?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,614
    Oliver North was confirmed be as the basis for Whitaker. Trump is oddly closer to Goldfinger with the exception of his height. That’s not a knock on Trump, they just happen to share the same predilections when it comes to tanning and golf. Oh, and of course gold.

    Has Trump ever inspired a Bond villain? No, but definitely yes on other villains since the 80s. Lex Luthor being rebooted by John Byrne as a real estate mogul is the biggest example. Daniel Clamp in GREMLINS 2 was a combo of Trump and Ted Turner, but when casting John Glover he played him as such a likable guy that they rewrote the part to have him stay alive to the end with a change of heart. Which is great because I loved him in that film.

    EoR4KMhXcAAD5Az.jpg
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Oliver North was confirmed be as the basis for Whitaker. Trump is oddly closer to Goldfinger with the exception of his height. That’s not a knock on Trump, they just happen to share the same predilections when it comes to tanning and golf. Oh, and of course gold.

    Has Trump ever inspired a Bond villain? No, but definitely yes on other villains since the 80s. Lex Luthor being rebooted by John Byrne as a real estate mogul is the biggest example. Daniel Clamp in GREMLINS 2 was a combo of Trump and Ted Turner, but when casting John Glover he played him as such a likable guy that they rewrote the part to have him stay alive to the end with a change of heart. Which is great because I loved him in that film.

    EoR4KMhXcAAD5Az.jpg

    Slightly off-topic, by John Glover is generally known to be a nice man. It's a shame that he was never part of a Bond villain cast.

    As for Bond's movie development, don't worry, I'm sure that ideas from all production viewpoints are being tossed around.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,614
    And he was amazing as Lionel Luthor in SMALLVILLE. Deliciously evil.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,984
    I loved Clamp. Wasn’t there some other movie where there’s a press conference going on and a microphone with a Clamp News logo is visible?
  • Posts: 1,997
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    One element that has not been touched upon here that has the potential of reducing cost is technology.

    Dealing with unions a challenge? The Bond films have always been union productions. They are essential in the film business because of rapacious producers. The crews are protected by the unions from people who make half baked decisions without regard to the bigger picture. I wish we could say the same about this administration.
  • edited May 11 Posts: 432
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge.

    One element that has not been touched upon here that has the potential of reducing cost is technology.

    Unions don't drive up the cost of goods and services. Businesses that aren't satisfied with their margins after fairly compensating their union workers drives up the cost of goods and services. Union protections are why manufacturing jobs were coveted as stable avenues for upward mobility, and a steady paycheck for blue collar workers.

    The irony in Trump's terrible tariff scheme is that a great many components needed to onshore manufacturing are made internationally. Building a factory in the U.S. got a whole lot more expensive.

    But if there's just going to be a 10% tariff across the board for any country, then why would businesses on shore their manufacturing when they can just pass that cost onto the consumer? To put it another way, less people buying a particular product at a higher price point may be just as profitable as selling a cheaper item to more customers.

    Even if this all works, it'll be years before we see the tree bear fruit, and there's no guarantee that most Americans will be able to afford the cost increase on everything from undergarments to cars.

    Like a snake eating its tail, this line of reasoning leads us back to the big-brain question: how effective can tariffs be in on shoring manufacturing that no one wants to build or can afford to build or takes years to build with no way to know whether or not consumers will be able to afford American made products at a significantly higher price point? In about a month, when goods are missing from store shelves because the Chinese aren’t shipping to the U.S., we’ll probably be in a full blown recession, if not a complete financial meltdown.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,614
    The problem, as always, are the billionaires and their greed. They’ll clutch to their fortunes even if it means destroying lives because the bottom line is the bottom line. They’ll keep hiring politicians to parrot about trickle down economics as they hoard their fortunes in offshore accounts.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,894
    I agree with this assessment, Cuaron can make a Bond film that stands the test of time.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,589
    I agree with this assessment, Cuaron can make a Bond film that stands the test of time.


    Counter:

    His HP film was 21 years ago.

    In that span, Cuaron has only directed three other films. Roma (his last feature), was a lovely looking, boring mess (if one wants to see how proper character studies work, I suggest watching WHITE LOTUS-- not really a story, more of character study/commentary, beautifully handled).

    Last year he directed the series DISCLAIMER, another lovely looking messy narrative, saved mainly by Blanchett's performance (the ever-changing tones gave me whiplash).

    He may be best for Bond, or maybe not so much, but--

    If people thought CR was a hard reboot, I'd wager this is the genuine deal: for the first time since its inception, the James Bond films of canon won't be produced by a Saltzman, a Broccoli, or a Wilson.

    This is as close to unchartered waters as one can get.

    Why would the producers put their faith in one director, without exploring all possible avenues of talent? I just don't believe they have done this (or, if the rumours were true, I think Cuaron would have been officially signed by now. He isn't. That is telling).

    Cuaron may end up getting the gig, but I hope/think, it'll be after a very intense search.

    There's absolutely no rush to get a Bond film in cinemas tomorrow. Whenever it does get released, it'll be a huge announcement, whether it be a year from now, or three years from now, or five years from now.

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    Cuarón was a good option for Craig 15 years ago. He doesn't even seem like a fresh and modern filmmaker.

    I'm sure he would do a good job if what they want is to do more of the same.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I'm not sure where the narrative that Cuaron has "lost his touch" came from, or what's motivating it. Both of Cuarons most recent films were nominated at the academy awards, and David Heyman says he loves working with him so I guess that's what counts more than Internet hearsay.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,542
    Yeah, I do see where @peter is coming from. If Cuaron were to be announced, it won't be all bad. But he can't be the only one Pascal & Heyman are looking at. Bond 26 is a very important Bond film. Maybe the most important, since GoldenEye. So they can't just decide it's one director, without looking at others deeply.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 11 Posts: 8,894
    Yeah, I do see where @peter is coming from. If Cuaron were to be announced, it won't be all bad. But he can't be the only one Pascal & Heyman are looking at. Bond 26 is a very important Bond film. Maybe the most important, since GoldenEye. So they can't just decide it's one director, without looking at others deeply.

    Whose to say they didn't look at others?
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    peter wrote: »
    I agree with this assessment, Cuaron can make a Bond film that stands the test of time.


    Counter:

    His HP film was 21 years ago.

    In that span, Cuaron has only directed three other films. Roma (his last feature), was a lovely looking, boring mess (if one wants to see how proper character studies work, I suggest watching WHITE LOTUS-- not really a story, more of character study/commentary, beautifully handled).

    Last year he directed the series DISCLAIMER, another lovely looking messy narrative, saved mainly by Blanchett's performance (the ever-changing tones gave me whiplash).

    He may be best for Bond, or maybe not so much, but--

    If people thought CR was a hard reboot, I'd wager this is the genuine deal: for the first time since its inception, the James Bond films of canon won't be produced by a Saltzman, a Broccoli, or a Wilson.

    This is as close to unchartered waters as one can get.

    Why would the producers put their faith in one director, without exploring all possible avenues of talent? I just don't believe they have done this (or, if the rumours were true, I think Cuaron would have been officially signed by now. He isn't. That is telling).

    Cuaron may end up getting the gig, but I hope/think, it'll be after a very intense search.

    There's absolutely no rush to get a Bond film in cinemas tomorrow. Whenever it does get released, it'll be a huge announcement, whether it be a year from now, or three years from now, or five years from now.

    Gotta push back on this take - especially on Roma. Calling it a "boring mess" and comparing it to White Lotus feels way off base. Roma isn’t trying to be a soap-operatic character collage like White Lotus. It’s a memory piece - deeply personal, quiet, and observational. It's more Jeanne Dielman than anything else, focusing on the texture of everyday life and the invisible emotional labor of a domestic worker holding an entire family together. It's not a traditional narrative; it's a slow-burn meditation. It won Best Director for a reason - Cuaron brought intimacy and scale to something that could’ve been a drag in lesser hands.

    As for Disclaimer, totally agree with you there - Cuaron felt misplaced. It was a misfire, sure. Eight episodes of what felt like a stretched-out thriller with nowhere near enough juice in the story. It looked great (of course), but yeah, it had that overcooked streaming bloat that even a director like him couldn’t save. Like giving Lewis Hamilton a Micra and telling him to break records. He was the wrong fit for the material.

    But jumping from that to “Cuaron might not be the right guy for Bond” or worse, that he’s somehow past his prime? Nah, I’m not buying it. This guy did Children of Men and Gravity, both technical and narrative masterclasses.

    And about him not being announced yet - well, that’s just how these things go. No trades have confirmed anything, but that doesn’t mean the talks aren’t real or serious. If the rumours weren’t solid, we wouldn’t still be hearing them this consistently.

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Boom.

    P2D with the truth bombs as usual. B-)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,542
    Yeah, I do see where @peter is coming from. If Cuaron were to be announced, it won't be all bad. But he can't be the only one Pascal & Heyman are looking at. Bond 26 is a very important Bond film. Maybe the most important, since GoldenEye. So they can't just decide it's one director, without looking at others deeply.

    Whose to say they didn't look at others?

    Nobody, really. But let's hope they're doing that. Even if it ends up being Cuaron.
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