Bond vs Bourne

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Craig is the nearest we have had to Connery, and if people think Craig isn't good enough for Fleming's legacy, then neither was Connery.
    Every day wise, yes Craig is close to Connery... Bond wise, Craig is far from Connery. Connery is #2, Craig is #6 for me... Love Craig as an actor, but hate his Bond with a passion.
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    Craig shows off a particular characteristic of Bond spectacularly! It`s just a side you don`t like as much as the rest!
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    In my opinion, there were two periods in which the Bond series was significantly influenced by outside films. First was in the late eighties, when Die Hard just blew the doors off License to Kill and nearly killed the franchise. The second indisputably are the Borne films, which just embarrassed the last three Brosnan films into taking Casino Royale into a harder, and in my opinion, better direction.

    There's some pretty impressive moments in the Borne pictures, and it can be argued that they are better than the majority of the Bond films, but while clearly the Bond productions have been moved to hire some of the Bourne people responsible for the success of those films, there is that more universal knowledge of the Bond films.

    The concept that Craig is a more rugged Bond is to me no coincidence, especially after Die Another Day.

    The car chase at the end of the second film, and the Tangiers sequence in the third film stand out for me, and I can see how those films resulted in the tougher, and in my opinion, better Bond we have now. I mean, compare that to parasailing a tsunami and it's easy to see audiences groaning at that and preferring a harder, more realistic feel to the Bourne films, which is what we have now with the Bond films, but now mixed in with the elegance and style of Fleming. At least to me.

    To me, these new Bond films are a cross between the Connery Bonds and the Bourne films, and to me that's a good thing.

    No more winking at the camera and dressing up as a clown or Tarzan yells, for that matter.

    God those were awful.
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    Ah I can see where this thread will go. We'll have the people who have never seen a Bourne film banging on about how the Craig films are nothing like them and that Bond is always original, we'll have Craig bashers saying that his Bond is a Bourne rip off, should be fun to read.

    Anyway, my thoughts on it are this: CR was inspired by Bourne, but they didn't copy it. They just saw that a rival, more realistic spy series was doing well, they saw how OTT DAD was, and they thought "right, we'd better step up our game here", and did a more realistic film. It wasn't like Bourne, but the realistic direction was inspired by Bourne.

    QOS is another story and the action is alot like Bourne (nothing else really was).
    actonsteve wrote:
    Has this ever been confirmed with Babs, Mickey G, Purvis and Wade that Bourne was an influence on the Craig era? Or is it just fan conjecture?

    There is no real evidence is there?

    Not sure how accurate this is, but

    http://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/casino-royales-5th-anniversary-a-new-path/

    For both Ms. Broccoli and Sony (released Casino, Quantum of Solace and will release the upcoming Skyfall), executives said, the model was Jason Bourne, the character Matt Damon successfully incarnated in two gritty spy movies for Universal Pictures, “The Bourne Identity” and “The Bourne Supremacy.”
  • i really don't like bourne fan boys who obesses over how jason bourne can beat people up with anything like a magazine. i find bond's "blue-collar"/"thug" fighting style much more relatable and enjoyable
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    I've never even seen a Bourne movie, just out of choice, wouldn't be something I would be interested in watching is the fact of the matter. Yes, there has been a lot of talk about how recent Bond adventures follow a similar path and you can see the similarities from all that I can ascertain, but they're two different movie series and I'm happy to stick with Bond, if there's blatant nods to the Bourne character or it's movies, then so be it, but when I watch Bond, especially the Craig releases I never think to myself 'Hey, this is Bourne, or they're trying to compete'. I always try, and succeed, in keeping them apart
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    jwxbulldog wrote:
    i really don't like bourne fan boys who obesses over how jason bourne can beat people up with anything like a magazine. i find bond's "blue-collar"/"thug" fighting style much more relatable and enjoyable

    You can't get any more brutal than that bathroom fight at the end of the Tangiers sequence.

    Pretty gritty stuff.

    Some of the Brosnan stuff was hard to watch, like in TWINE where he has the pistol barrel on the bad guy's neck for a minute or so and doesn't shoot.

    Everyone in the audience was yelling, "Shoot him! Shoot!

    I think it was those lapses in logic that drew a lot of people to the Bourne movies, and now the Bond films have rightly adjusted, and the new Skyfall trailer looks awesome to me, as does the new Bourne film.

    They both have their merits, to me.

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    Simple! BOND BOND BOND!!!! But to be fair i do like the Bourne films and i am going to see "The Bourne Legacy" tomorrow night.
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    IMO this comparision is a joke. I say the following with all due respect to Bourne (whom I like)...

    Roger Moore's version Bond destroys Bourne in all positive ways, IMO. He would just need to raise either of his eyebrows and Bourne would run away, scared like a chicken. After that he (Bourne) would need therapy and cry in his mother's basement everyday. I'm sorry, but Moore (and Bond in general) is IMO just too cool for poor little Jason. His movies are IMO miles ahead of the Bourne trilogy. And IMO Bourne is just a stressed emo in comparision to the excellence of Roger Moore.
  • Bond v Bourne = bore! So let's all just get over it and move on.
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    IMO this comparision is a joke. I say the following with all due respect to Bourne (whom I like)...

    Roger Moore's version Bond destroys Bourne in all positive ways, IMO. He would just need to raise either of his eyebrows and Bourne would run away, scared like a chicken. After that he (Bourne) would need therapy and cry in his mother's basement everyday. I'm sorry, but Moore (and Bond in general) is IMO just too cool for poor little Jason. His movies are IMO miles ahead of the Bourne trilogy. And IMO Bourne is just a stressed emo in comparision to the excellence of Roger Moore.

    :)) Love it! I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?
  • RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I think they should've done this for Legacy instead of bringing in a new character.
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I think they should've done this for Legacy instead of bringing in a new character.

    Yep, This movie could have been about taking down Treadstone? It's creator's? Operatives? The possibilities are endless? It will be interesting to see this new movie later this week?
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    Lets just kill this thread already.
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I've though about this too. I would have liked it more if they continued Jason Bourne, Damon isn't the only one who can portray him IMO. What if the Bond series lead character in OHMSS was 003? That seems to be what they are doing to the new Bourne movie.
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I've though about this too. I would have liked it more if they continued Jason Bourne, Damon isn't the only one who can portray him IMO. What if the Bond series lead character in OHMSS was 003? That seems to be what they are doing to the new Bourne movie.

    Bourne isn't of the same ilk of Bond. The two are not at all related accept some occupational areas, and don't even warrant a thread like this too exist.
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I've though about this too. I would have liked it more if they continued Jason Bourne, Damon isn't the only one who can portray him IMO. What if the Bond series lead character in OHMSS was 003? That seems to be what they are doing to the new Bourne movie.

    Bourne isn't of the same ilk of Bond. The two are not at all related accept some occupational areas, and don't even warrant a thread like this too exist.

    Yeah the two are different and this thread shouldn't exist, but I don't get why they didn't just have Renner play Bourne. I think the film would've been more successful, and it would help the series more in the long run. Introducing a new character just seems like a stupid idea if they're still going to call it a Bourne film.

    I think they should've kept Jason Bourne but moved away from the story of the original trilogy. I hope they do this for a 5th film.
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I don't know why they didn't just have a change of lead actor and continue with the charactor of Jason Bourne? It didn't do James Bond any harm! :-?

    I've though about this too. I would have liked it more if they continued Jason Bourne, Damon isn't the only one who can portray him IMO. What if the Bond series lead character in OHMSS was 003? That seems to be what they are doing to the new Bourne movie.

    Bourne isn't of the same ilk of Bond. The two are not at all related accept some occupational areas, and don't even warrant a thread like this too exist.

    Yeah the two are different and this thread shouldn't exist, but I don't get why they didn't just have Renner play Bourne. I think the film would've been more successful, and it would help the series more in the long run. Introducing a new character just seems like a stupid idea if they're still going to call it a Bourne film.

    I think they should've kept Jason Bourne but moved away from the story of the original trilogy. I hope they do this for a 5th film.

    Nah, they made the right moves. Matt is beloved in the role, and I an countless others would have disowned the film for it.
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    I think this thread exists because the Bourne movies are flat-out better than some of the Bond films, and I know that's a tough thing for most of us to admit.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think this thread exists because the Bourne movies are flat-out better than some of the Bond films, and I know that's a tough thing for most of us to admit.
    I agree.
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    I think this thread exists because the Bourne movies are flat-out better than some of the Bond films, and I know that's a tough thing for most of us to admit.

    I agree. The Bourne movies are IMO better than not only CR54 but also CR67. I hold the other 23 Bond films in higher regard than Bourne, though.
  • I think this thread exists because the Bourne movies are flat-out better than some of the Bond films, and I know that's a tough thing for most of us to admit.
    I agree.

    Me too.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    There have been what, now 4 Bourne films? And how many Bonds? Sure some will be lacking in quality when there are that many films in a series. No surprise some think at least one Bourne movie is better than some of the lesser Bond films.

    I like Bourne films, especially 1st and 3rd. But Bond is different kind of thriller/action/spy film, another level and still my favorite. I don't confuse or mix the two.
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    I like Bourne films, especially 1st and 3rd. But Bond is different kind of thriller/action/spy film, another level and still my favorite. I don't confuse or mix the two.

    They get compared because the 007 and Bourne franchises are dabbling in the same pond of viewers.
    WHile I found the camera work of the last two Bournes sometimes vomit inducing especially in the cinema they did offer great actionscenes that were up to then a speciallity of the 007 series. I think that EON should step away from the CGI finales (like in DAD & CR) and stop the direct copying of Bourne (QoB) and do their own thing. I expect Bond23 to do so.

    That does not take away that the Bourne series are a pretty decent series so far and do more than enough in delivering the goods.

    I do not see why one cannot enjoy them both.

  • SaintMark wrote:
    I do not see why one cannot enjoy them both.

    I agree with this. I don't like it when people make out there's some war between them and you can only enjoy one of them.


    Turns out Bond and Bourne (well, Cross), actually have something in common.

    http://www.nationalledger.com/pop-culture-news/daniel-craig-called-the-194843.shtml
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    They're compared because they are in the same genre, and frankly that was a stretch in time where there had been three straight bad Brosnan Bonds during the time of the three Bournes, so the comparisons were inevitable.

    I think this is all healthy because it forces the Bond people to construct good stories, and I think the result of Daniel Craig's more physical interpretation of Bond is a good outcome of all of this.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Not just the physical aspects of the role but the credibility if the stories too. DAD made money, great but it's hardly respected. That kind of dynamic is short term and even more so when you had protagonists and anti heroes who are delivering the goods such as Borne.

    On another note, I was disappointed with the Bond/Vesper's boyfriend showdown...if you can even call it that. I was hoping for something similar like the resolve of Bourne meeting and confronting Neski's daughter in Supremacy.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Not just the physical aspects of the role but the credibility if the stories too. DAD made money, great but it's hardly respected. That kind of dynamic is short term and even more so when you had protagonists and anti heroes who are delivering the goods such as Borne.

    On another note, I was disappointed with the Bond/Vesper's boyfriend showdown...if you can even call it that. I was hoping for something similar like the resolve of Bourne meeting and confronting Neski's daughter in Supremacy.

    Bond and Yusef's meeting was 10X better than Bourne meeting Neski's daughter. All he had to do was muster up the resolve to admit he killed her parents and apologize, while Bond literally had to use every fiber of his being not to shoot Yusef for what he did to the woman he loved.
  • doubleoego wrote:
    DAD made money, great but it's hardly respected.

    DAD wasn't as hated as people on here like to think. Plenty of positive reviews.
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