Greatest misconceptions about James Bond

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Collector misconceptions:

    - Moonraker camera is not disguised as a cigarette lighter (there are many clues on screen plus confirmation in the magazine that it is a lighter)

    I'm tempted to say another misconception is that it's black rather than shiny metal finish, but to be honest I don't think we can really completely tell either way!
    It looks satin black to me, it's just that it's an actual old lighter with much wear and tear; the edges are bevelled with paint worn along each double edge and some scratches around the '007' engraving, making the item attract more light. This becomes clearer when you study the 4K screenshots.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 5 Posts: 16,471
    QBranch wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Collector misconceptions:

    - Moonraker camera is not disguised as a cigarette lighter (there are many clues on screen plus confirmation in the magazine that it is a lighter)

    I'm tempted to say another misconception is that it's black rather than shiny metal finish, but to be honest I don't think we can really completely tell either way!
    It looks satin black to me, it's just that it's an actual old lighter with much wear and tear; the edges are bevelled with paint worn along each double edge and some scratches around the '007' engraving, making the item attract more light. This becomes clearer when you study the 4K screenshots.

    It's probably for another thread but I'm not 100% convinced; I especially don't think it would have any wear and tear because the props were brand new and Bond at that time always had pristine stuff- I think the 'scratches' are equally likely to be reflections in the shine. The cigarette case in the same scene looks equally black, but you can tell it's actually shiny; I don't think it displays any wear either. And it's even possible the two are likely to match.
    If only there were any photos at all of the thing, or it even appeared properly in more than one shot! :)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 5 Posts: 4,524
    That James Bond is created only by Ian Fleming or is created by 2 or 3 people . Name James Bond is taken from author of bird book. It has 4 creaters. Since ''Everything or Nothing'' we know the truth and reasen Kevin Mcclory was made to enemy. It also put another view on CR/QOS and Fleming's death.

    That QOS is only a revenge movie.

    Layer Cake be the only reasen Daniel Craig was cast as Bond. Daniel Craig being choosen Sony released movie in October 2005 straight to dvd in some country's. The movie is from 2004 mabey only limited released for UK. Road to Perdition from 2002 is mabey bigger reasen, also because he and Sam Mendes (and production designer of QOS / SF / SP). Also fact is that Barbara Broccoli mother Dana Broccoli (She for example was person who choose Topol as Columbo for FYEO) died around same time of Layer Cake. Whyle of course at same time Brosnan offical out.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The props weren't always pristine, e.g. the incendiary bombs from LALD had scratches all over them.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    M_Balje wrote: »
    That James Bond is created only by Ian Fleming or is created by 2 or 3 people . Name James Bond is taken from author of bird book. It has 4 creaters. Since ''Everything or Nothing'' we know the truth and reasen Kevin Mcclory was made to enemy. It also put another view on CR/QOS and Fleming's death.

    Yeah that's a fair point. Although it's probably more of a point of debate than a definite misconception: but I'd certainly say that James Bond 007, as most of the world knows him, is the creation of three men: Ian Fleming, Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman.
    M_Balje wrote: »
    That QOS is only a revenge movie.

    Yep, very good point. It's actually an anti-revenge movie: Camille is the character out for revenge and it gets her nowhere.

    Another misconception is that it's 'yet another film where Bond goes rogue'. He doesn't though, he's doing his job the whole time, following the mission M gave to him. He literally says 'I never left' and that's because he didn't.
    M_Balje wrote: »
    Layer Cake be the only reasen Daniel Craig was cast as Bond. Daniel Craig being choosen Sony released movie in October 2005 straight to dvd in some country's. The movie is from 2004 mabey only limited released for UK. Road to Perdition from 2002 is mabey bigger reasen, also because he and Sam Mendes (and production designer of QOS / SF / SP). Also fact is that Barbara Broccoli mother Dana Broccoli (She for example was person who choose Topol as Columbo for FYEO) died around same time of Layer Cake. Whyle of course at same time Brosnan offical out.

    Another good one: I think they've said that surprisingly Layer Cake didn't really do much but confirm what they already thought. Broccoli has said it was his role in Elizabeth which caught her eye.

    QBranch wrote: »
    The props weren't always pristine, e.g. the incendiary bombs from LALD had scratches all over them.

    Sure, but most of the luxury goods we see him with are generally spotless. Like the cigarette case, his Louis Vuitton credit card swiper, his LALD Rolex, his Octopussy Seiko, his poison pen etc. etc.
  • edited November 5 Posts: 4,205
    QOS being a revenge movie is one I’ve seen claimed here too. But yes, I’d say it’s a misconception and I don’t think it accurately describes the film.

    This might be a bit of a controversial one but I think it’s in the same ballpark and is one I’ve heard a lot. It’s the idea that Silva wins in SF and Bond fails. It’s perhaps more a misreading of the movie, and while M dies indirectly because of Silva that’s not his goal. His goal was to kill M by his own hand and then presumably himself. By throwing a knife in his back Bond takes that opportunity from him (and as far as the dying Silva is concerned M could survive and he’s completely failed). Heck, Silva doesn’t even completely dismantle MI6 as we can see at the end of the film with the new office. Bond’s main goal on the other hand was to lure Silva in and kill him. Protecting M is arguably secondary. At best no one fully succeeds in the strictest sense, but I’d say Bond comes out on top.
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    Thunderball remake was always in the contract so it was never really a "revenge" movie.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited November 5 Posts: 428
    mtm wrote: »
    Timothy Dalton:
    “ I’m not really Welsh other than being born there”

    https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/magazines/derbyshire/22567533.james-bond-actor-timothy-dalton-proud-belper-roots/
    Seve wrote: »
    So he is Welsh, in that he was born there

    Boris Johnson was born in New York. James Bond 007 (according to John Pearson) was born in Berlin. Are these people not British?

    FIFA would say they qualify for both
    Boris probably has more chance of playing for USA than England?
    Bond is spoilt for choice, Scotland, Switzerland or Germany (maybe even France?)

    The fictional character James Bond, created by Ian Fleming, is typically said to have been born in Wattenscheid, Germany to a Scottish father, Andrew Bond, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix Bond.

    In Pearson's book, 007 fans discover that James Bond was born in Wattenscheid near Essen, in the Ruhr region, on November 11, 1920. While it used to be a separate town, Wattenscheid now belongs to the city of Bochum, where the exhibition "On a secret mission: The spy who came from Wattenscheid" opens on February 1.

    https://dw.com/en/james-bond-born-in-germany/a-47267698

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited November 6 Posts: 9,050
    Gerard wrote: »
    Also GF, TB and CR '06. Of course, YMMV.

    Now that depends on what you consider "the story". While the GF PTS does tell a story of its own vs. the actual fight against Goldfinger, it is pretty much part of the beginning of the original novel. So "blame" Fleming if you wish, but this is part of "the story" as he wrote it...unlike the TB intro. Also, the CR '06 PTS makes sense in establishing Bond as a double-O before receiving his first assignment as such, which is why I would definitely consider it as having a whole lot of connection to the main story.

    And excuse me, WTF is YMMV? I don't have the slightest idea. Something like YMCA? :D

    PS: Checked it in the meantime since I didn't know the expression. I thought you referred to a novel or something.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    QBranch wrote: »
    @Gerard I only remember the sideboob, and would not expect full open shot of both breasts in a Bond film. It doesn't sound right to me. Maybe for those who remember that, it's just wishful thinking or perhaps there's a behind-the-scenes photo out there.

    Yeah, I think it was established that only FYEO/OP pre-titles have zero connections to the main story.

    OP.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    echo wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    @Gerard I only remember the sideboob, and would not expect full open shot of both breasts in a Bond film. It doesn't sound right to me. Maybe for those who remember that, it's just wishful thinking or perhaps there's a behind-the-scenes photo out there.

    Yeah, I think it was established that only FYEO/OP pre-titles have zero connections to the main story.

    OP.
    Ah, I get you. Because of FYEO's revenge theme, right?
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    And excuse me, WTF is YMMV? I don't have the slightest idea. Something like YMCA?

    YMMV means Your Mileage May Vary. Such as in this case. For me, the PTS of GF has nothing to do with the main plot of the movie (unless you can prove to me that the drug dealers were in cahoots with Auric all along). And Blofeld having nothing to do with the ATAC, that means that the pre-title sequence from FYEO has nothing to do with the movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 6 Posts: 16,471
    I guess GF has the vaguest link, but only in terms of Bond saying he's getting on a flight to Miami, and that's where he later meets naughty ol' Auric. Probably pretty fair to say it's unconnected though!
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