Would you rather run into Paris at a party OR run into Jinx at a party in an Ice Palace?

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  • Posts: 1,490
    CR and NTTD
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    CR and NTTD. TWINE spoils the other combination completely.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Surprised to see the amount of dislike TWINE gets in this forum 😁
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    CR and NTTD. TWINE spoils the other combination completely.

    +1
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    OHMSS & TWINE.
  • edited September 25 Posts: 4,076
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    CR and NTTD. TWINE spoils the other combination completely.

    +1

    +2. I’ll go CR/NTTD as well.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Surprised to see the amount of dislike TWINE gets in this forum 😁

    It’s got some fans, and I suspect if it were showing on TV most people would say it’s ok (not sure if anyone would say it’s the best Bond film, but I’ve seen more general audience dislike of DAD, and I’d say that’s better than TWINE). I’m not sure it holds up to us constantly talking about it, rewatching particular scenes (I’d say it’s one of the weakest Bond films in terms of filmmaking), and discussing all its missed opportunities.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 25 Posts: 3,147
    CR and NTTD. For me, those are Craig's best and his worst films, though - can't help thinking that might be a bit painfully obvious if they were watched back-to-back.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    CR and NTTD. TWINE spoils the other combination completely.

    Yes, I agree. I don't hate TWINE like some do, I think it has many good elements and tried hard (perhaps too hard) to bring more depth to Bond, but I also think Apted, who was a fine director in his own right, didn't have a strong handle on Bond and allowed Brosnan to overact in some scenes, which he sometimes still does to this day, just check out his performance in the heavy handed so-called crime comedy, The Outlaws.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Actually, paring TWINE with OHMSS just isn't fair. OHMSS is so much better, TWINE just bleaks in comparison and ends up looking even worse than it is. Hence my choice for CR and NTTD as well.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I am trying to provoke some discussion and make the decisions hard. In this case maybe TWINE pushed it too far into the easy choice.

    Would you rather watch a double bill of DAF & DAD OR AVTAK & NTTD?

    The final films of four Bond actors.

    Sean and Pierce went out in a big, bombastic, campy film adventures. Certainly neither film is a serious grounded plot. Both involve a satellite threatening us from above.

    Roger and Craig went out in interesting films. Roger was showing his age and the story seemed to ignore this fact. Craig's final film tied up all the loose ends of his story arc and gave us a unique ending.

    Which of these double bills are you watching. Remember it's a would you rather!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Easily AVTAK/NTTD
  • Posts: 4,076
    If I'm watching with people, I might actually opt for a DAF/DAD double bill. They're weirdly similar films and are quite silly but watchable.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I love watching DAF every now and then, because its dialogues are among the funniest of the entire series (no. 1 competitor in that regard: MR). But no, not if I have to combine it with the dismal DAD.

    AVTAK may be the worst Roger Moore film (it's fighting with OP for that spot, for my taste), but it is still enough fun to endure it and top it all off with the brilliant NTTD (among my top five). So AVTAK/NTTD it certainly is.
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    AVTAK and NTTD without a thought. They each blow DAF and DAD out of the water as far as I’m concerned.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    AVTAK/NTTD.

    Any combo with DAF is an incredibly weak one for me.
  • I’d have to opt for AVTAK/NTTD as DAF/DAD represent the bottom of the Connery/Brosnan films for me.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I'll go with DAF and DAD
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Since there were so few votes for it, I'll first go back and cast one vote in favour of OHMSS - TWINE. The first is one of my very favourites, the second was my very first proper Bond experience and I still really love it.

    For the current question I'll go for the over-the-topness of DAF and DAD over NTTD's convoluted self-seriousness. AVTAK is fun, but paired to NTTD I'm afraid it doesn't stand a chance. Only a Dalton film, OHMSS or FRWL pairing would make me reconsider.
  • Posts: 1,306
    DAF and DAD.

    NTTD is too long and boring for a double bill ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Anything with AVTAK as it's clearly the peak of international cinema. Add in NTTD, which I enjoy a lot, and you've got yourself a winner.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    AVTAK and NTTD. I can't even countenance the concept of a DAF/DAD double bill, tbh!
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    AVTAK and NTTD for me! Though I don't hate DAF, DAD is just unbearable movie!
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    While DAD has its moments (especially in the first 45 minutes or so), it always gets the Tommy Udo treatment anytime I rank Bond films. Disappointing doesn’t begin to cover it.
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    ….. AVTAK and NTTD (barely).
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff @Dwayne I tried to make it a tough decision. :)

    Okay enough with the double bills, lets try something a bit different.

    We have seen a gender swap of M. When Judi Dench was cast it created a bit of a buzz. The character being female changed the role and the relationship with Bond. It has me thinking the producers might try to switch the gender of another Mi6 character.

    Would you rather a male Moneypenny OR a female Q?

    John Gardener had a female Q or at least a female within Q branch who went by the nickname Q'ute. While I am not a fan of the nickname it was an interesting concept. What would having a female Q do for the series?

    Bond and Moneypenny have flirted and teased thru the years. In the more recent films that has been de-emphasized as it would be considered sexual harassment today. Would having a male Moneypenny do anything for the character?



  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited September 27 Posts: 5,970
    I suppose, given that Bill Tanner could be seen as a "male Moneypenny", I'm more inclined to say a female Q because we haven't seen that before outside of the continuation novels.

    I also feel like a female Q wouldn't change the dynamic as much, whereas (as you've hinted at) a male Moneypenny wouldn't have the same dynamic with Bond, unless they wanted to explore queer undertones between Bond and said male Moneypenny, which we already know wouldn't go down well with some... 👀

    If you remove the flirtation between Bond and a male Moneypenny, you might as well just have Bill Tanner instead.

    In regards to Bond and Moneypenny being "de-emphasised", I'd say the relationship has developed but there's still that tension and flirtation, which I think can 100% still remain going forward, but Moneypenny's role should be more than just that.

    In the past, understandably because of the times we were in, she basically just operated as someone to pine over Bond, whereas again, I think now it should be a flirty dynamic that exists between two people who respect each-other and have their own important roles outside of that dynamic. It's why I think in the next era, Moneypenny and Bill Tanner should be "combined" so that Moneypenny has more of an extensive role and removing Tanner will give her that time to do so without stepping on the toes of the main story.
  • edited September 27 Posts: 4,076
    Female Q would work much better I think. Even in the Craig films there was that element of sexual chemistry between Bond and Moneypenny. For all this talk about them having a slightly more platonic relationship in the last two films the shaving scene from SF is probably the most sexually charged interaction between the characters. There was still very much that flirtatious element beyond that, even if Moneypenny took a more hands on role in the plot (ie. Bond quipping ‘that’s a shame’ in SP after Moneypenny says she won’t take a drink when visiting his flat).

    Moneypenny as a character isn’t obsolete in that sense. In the Brosnan era she was much more feisty with Bond. It was still good natured banter though, and in every Moneypenny/Bond scene it’s always been a two sided thing anyway, so it doesn’t leave a bad taste. I don’t think it’s something people often cite as being an issue in the early films (unlike, for instance, the barn scene in GF), at least beyond some tongue in cheek jokes about office sexual harassment.

    A female Q would have a much more platonic relationship with Bond because that’s how the two characters have always interacted with each other. I suspect she’d be depicted as intelligent, confident, and excitable. A bit like Shuri from Black Panther. I could see that working better, presuming there’s a Moneypenny as well in the next Bond film.
  • edited September 27 Posts: 1,306
    A female Q because you can have different Qs. It doesn't have to be the same character.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'm with @007HallY on this.

    The main ingredient of the Moneypenny character has always been some form of flirting or semi-sexual innuendo with Bond. I don't suppose most people would be too happy if Bond suddenly starts something like that with a male Moneypenny, considering the reactions to Skyfall's mild innuendo that Bond may have had some sort of homosexual experience before Silva's "advances". That doesn't mean I think we "need" a female Q, just to have another woman on the regular team, but it could be done with less side effect.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 28 Posts: 6,270
    I'll go so far to say that I think a female Q is likely.

    We've had an iconic middle-aged and older male Q in Desmond, and an equally iconic younger male Q in Ben.

    I think they'll try a different approach next time.
  • Posts: 1,967
    I have no interest in seeing these characters changed. I realize this is a theoretical, but were this to occur, why? What would it achieve? I would like to think this wouldn't be someone's idea of being creative.
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