Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 14,990
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond is an action hero.

    But a human spy at heart.

    Well he is now, but he's always been running around :)
    The idea that Moore and Connery's Bonds 'never had to run anywhere' feels contrary to my memories of them doing exactly that in many films.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Moore would have been better off doing a bit less running, admittedly. He was very good at many things but an athlete he was not! :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ah well that's why I specified "Moore and Connery's Bonds" rather than Moore himself: his Bond ran around a lot but he wasn't necessarily being played by Roger at the time! :D
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Didn't they even have a stuntman do Sir Rog's running for him in later films? Knowing that just adds to the fun, though, tbh. After all, you don't watch a Moore Bond hoping for FRWL or QOS, right?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited October 2023 Posts: 739
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond is an action hero.

    But a human spy at heart.

    Well he is now, but he's always been running around :)
    The idea that Moore and Connery's Bonds 'never had to run anywhere' feels contrary to my memories of them doing exactly that in many films.

    Did they run? Genuine question, I simply can't remember either of them in a sequence which featured them running (though perhaps Connery in the FRwL helicopter chase at the end?). I know Roger was supposedly so ungainly when running that they made the decision never to show running, but it's actually been a really long time since I watched a Moore Bond.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Didn’t Connery run in YOLT? It’s been a while since I’ve watched it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 14,990
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond is an action hero.

    But a human spy at heart.

    Well he is now, but he's always been running around :)
    The idea that Moore and Connery's Bonds 'never had to run anywhere' feels contrary to my memories of them doing exactly that in many films.

    Did they run? Genuine question, I simply can't remember either of them in a sequence which featured them running (though perhaps Connery in the FRwL helicopter chase at the end?). I know Roger was supposedly so ungainly when running that they made the decision never to show running, and it's actually been a really long time since I watched a Moore Bond.

    Loads of times: just think of Connery whipping off the seagull in the opening of Goldfinger and dashing to the gas holder; running to the rocket pack in Thunderball, away from all of the guards at Palmeyra, getting out of Dr No's base, Bond running up the stairs to intercept Locke's car, to Octopussy's circus, along the top of her train, catching Zorin's blimp... he's an action character, he runs while others walk.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Fair enough, I guess the films just don't go for the big focus on Bond running like the Craig films do, having him pumping his arms up and down as he runs toward camera. I do remember Dalton getting that kind of shot at the beginning of TLD when he smashes through a guard in the games.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Fair enough, I guess the films just don't go for the big focus on Bond running like the Craig films do, having him pumping his arms up and down as he runs toward camera.

    I feel like that's something the Brosnans did more, he had a very silly movie run.

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,392
    I do remember some scenes where Bond was running:

    You have Bond running in the Junkanoo festival to evade Fiona Volpe and his men in TB.

    Then the scene I wish was included in the film: the rooftop chase in OHMSS with Bond and Phidian, but in the film itself, I do remember Bond running to chase Blofeld before the Bobsled chase begins or at least if we count him running to save Tracy committing suicide in the PTS.

    Bond was also running in the LTK climax (either he's with Pam leaving the exploding Olympatec Meditation Institute, or when he's chasing the truck).

  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Again, I haven't watched Brosnan's films in an age. I have Goldeneye on DVD which I must watch again, but I find his other Bond films rather bland.
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    Did they run? Genuine question, I simply can't remember either of them in a sequence which featured them running

    Regarding Moore; maybe the short sequence in TMWTGG where Bond is escaping from the karate school and running to the boat.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I would love to see a deepfake of Rog doing the Parkour sequence from CR. 😁
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,392
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would love to see a deepfake of Rog doing the Parkour sequence from CR. 😁

    Pants in every 2 minutes 😅
    He's wearing a safari suit.
    Would make a quip after breaking that dry wall: "That's quite flat".
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Again, I haven't watched Brosnan's films in an age. I have Goldeneye on DVD which I must watch again, but I find his other Bond films rather bland.

    Do you like the Connerys at least? We're running out of possibilities here :D
  • Well, he always runs while others walk.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond is an action hero.

    But a human spy at heart.

    Well he is now, but he's always been running around :)
    The idea that Moore and Connery's Bonds 'never had to run anywhere' feels contrary to my memories of them doing exactly that in many films.

    Did they run? Genuine question, I simply can't remember either of them in a sequence which featured them running (though perhaps Connery in the FRwL helicopter chase at the end?). I know Roger was supposedly so ungainly when running that they made the decision never to show running, and it's actually been a really long time since I watched a Moore Bond.

    Loads of times: just think of Connery whipping off the seagull in the opening of Goldfinger and dashing to the gas holder; running to the rocket pack in Thunderball, away from all of the guards at Palmeyra, getting out of Dr No's base, Bond running up the stairs to intercept Locke's car, to Octopussy's circus, along the top of her train, catching Zorin's blimp... he's an action character, he runs while others walk.

    That wasn't Connery, I can't remember if it's the behind the scenes doco on GF, or one of the audio tracks, but it was stuntman Alf Joint.
    As for the OP train, either Paul Weston or Martin Grace, depending on who's doubling Sir Rog.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 14,990
    Venutius wrote: »
    Didn't they even have a stuntman do Sir Rog's running for him in later films? Knowing that just adds to the fun, though, tbh. After all, you don't watch a Moore Bond hoping for FRWL or QOS, right?

    Indeed so, hence my comment above:
    mtm wrote: »
    Ah well that's why I specified "Moore and Connery's Bonds" rather than Moore himself: his Bond ran around a lot but he wasn't necessarily being played by Roger at the time! :D

    ;)
    It's all part of the charm for me too. But the point stands that the idea that Bond never ran in those films is a bit silly.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,392
    Actually the obvious stuntmen in the Moore Era Bond films always distracts me.
  • i just want Bond 26 to be tough and gritty like Craig era.
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    I just want it to be good, and to reunite consensus on that quality, like FRWL, GE and CR do.

    Oh well, one can dream...
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    Again, I haven't watched Brosnan's films in an age. I have Goldeneye on DVD which I must watch again, but I find his other Bond films rather bland.

    Do you like the Connerys at least? We're running out of possibilities here :D

    I do, lol. I loved Moore as a kid, I just find his films have dated the worst for me. All the Brosnan films after Goldeneye were somewhat disappointing for me even at the time.
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 105
    i just want Bond 26 to be tough and gritty like Craig era.

    I see it completely different - I hope they return to more humor, gadgets and charm. Though I don't need a DAD or MR, of course.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I personally would like to see a harmonious balance of them both.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally would like to see a harmonious balance of them both.

    Agreed.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Also, saying the Craig era was tough and gritty it's a pretty bold affirmation, since his last two entries rather went for a more lighthearted humorous tone.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I'd like wit as opposed to jokes, and I'd like tension as opposed to angst and melodrama.
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    Also, saying the Craig era was tough and gritty it's a pretty bold affirmation, since his last two entries rather went for a more lighthearted humorous tone.

    SP maybe in the first half, but I don't agree with NTTD. The sequence in Cuba maybe, but that's probably for 10 minutes. Other than that, mostly a very melodramatic film.
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    Also, saying the Craig era was tough and gritty it's a pretty bold affirmation, since his last two entries rather went for a more lighthearted humorous tone.

    They certainly had more of those moments than in his previous films. From SF onwards you also see more of the old classical Bond tropes sneaking in. They also start to become more fantastical, even if NTTD and to a lesser extent SP have a fatalistic side to them.

    Honestly, I'm not really sure you can avoid those tropes when it comes to Bond - the gadgets, cars, otherworldly villains etc. I hope the next era will be more willing to lean into these things more than the early Craig films, albeit in a way which updates them and does something slightly different with them.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2023 Posts: 2,934
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would love to see a deepfake of Rog doing the Parkour sequence from CR. 😁
    Can't unsee that now - classic! :))
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