Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I gave up hoping for the 007 theme. It’s been way too long and even David Arnold, the big John Barry/Bond fan composer, couldn’t even conjure that up.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
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    I gave up hoping for the 007 theme. It’s been way too long and even David Arnold, the big John Barry/Bond fan composer, couldn’t even conjure that up.

    It was used more recently than We Have All the Time in the World (prior to NTTD).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m not sure how that has any bearing. It’s not like they’re gonna reuse OHMSS again for awhile. In that case, that seemed more specific for NTTD, whereas the 007 was a recurring theme that Barry tried making into a secondary/alternative to the Bond theme. It never stuck, and even Barry himself abandoned it for use in Bond films after MR.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
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    I’m not sure how that has any bearing. It’s not like they’re gonna reuse OHMSS again for awhile. In that case, that seemed more specific for NTTD, whereas the 007 was a recurring theme that Barry tried making into a secondary/alternative to the Bond theme. It never stuck, and even Barry himself abandoned it for use in Bond films after MR.

    I'd say there's still a good chance it could come back. I'd have sooner expected the 007 theme to make a reappearance over WHATTITW or the OHMSS theme. Plus, the Craig era was pretty liberal with callbacks to past movies, so I don't think it's off the table.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That’s the thing, given all the callbacks in Craig’s films one would expect the 007 to pop up. But they never really go there. Even in DAD, which is filled with callbacks, Arnold didn’t use 007 there.
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    The variations on the 007 theme used inTB prove that it is still viable. Yes, would love to hear it crop up again as well as much more JB theme as well.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Yeah, even the four note part of the Bond theme slowed down is great to hear when Bond's snooping around. And clear, varying leitmotifs of the title track too. Personally I want to hear the 007 theme again. Imagine an establishing shot of Bond arriving in some country and the 007 theme plays.
    Played the Moonraker Boat Chase theme over Bond arriving to the Bahamas in Casino Royale and its flawless!
    Nice, I might try this sometime.
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 520
    To answer the title of this topic: Maybe he goes to hell. I mean literally. Imagine a fantasy Bond film, in which Bond dies, goes to hell, battles Satan and then is resurrected and returns to Earth. And the best part: Daniel Craig could play Bond one more time. :D
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    The folks at EON surely know there is a lot of interest in a Bond film. Would it really hurt to release something? Or is the plan to remain silent and not toss out even a crumb that a new Bond film is in the planning. Is James Bond Will Return really enough? When? Sometime? Eventually? Many years from now! Does the writers' strike preclude future production plans? I'd like to believe we'll see a film before 2027, but at this point I'm not sure Bond after Craig is going anywhere.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    The folks at EON surely know there is a lot of interest in a Bond film. Would it really hurt to release something? Or is the plan to remain silent and not toss out even a crumb that a new Bond film is in the planning. Is James Bond Will Return really enough? When? Sometime? Eventually? Many years from now! Does the writers' strike preclude future production plans? I'd like to believe we'll see a film before 2027, but at this point I'm not sure Bond after Craig is going anywhere.

    Don’t expect anything as long as the two strikes are in play. Until that’s resolved, there’s really not much Eon can do beyond shopping for a director and waiting out to do work on a script.
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  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I've gathered something which could've been a very interesting discussion.

    Would you liked to start the Bond film where we see the reason why Bond is called to a mission?

    The examples of this are YOLT, TSWLM and MR with the film showing the hijackings that would've been Bond's mission.
    Or the one in FYEO with the hijacking of the ATAC being showed first, or the one in TND or the one in TB showing the nuclear stealing.

    But for me, I would've preferred to start the film with M's debriefing of Bond first, then the plot or Bond's mission would've start unfolding as the film progresses, it's like a puzzle theory, with each clues to the cause of Bond's missions starts revealing one by one.

    Like, show Bond at the debriefing first, then as he goes to the mission, as the investigation progress, each clues or hint that would've trail him to the final resolution would be answered one by one, until it would've lead him to what really happened in the case that Bond was investigating, it would've give him answers to his mission where Bond has no clue of.

    Because, for me, my personal opinion, if they've shown the plot first, it would be a bit boring for a Bond film, because it would be a bit predictable, because we already know where's that leading, we already know what's happening, what's the point of the movie.

    Unlike when the plot was not shown first, the audiences would've likely to get puzzled and starts figuring out what's happening in the film.

    And it adds thrill, mystery and tension.

    I mean, sometimes, we need logic right?

    You, guys, what how would you prefer Bond's mission or the plot to be handled in Bond 26?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Love it! :))
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 3,367
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I've gathered something which could've been a very interesting discussion.

    Would you liked to start the Bond film where we see the reason why Bond is called to a mission?

    The examples of this are YOLT, TSWLM and MR with the film showing the hijackings that would've been Bond's mission.
    Or the one in FYEO with the hijacking of the ATAC being showed first, or the one in TND or the one in TB showing the nuclear stealing.

    But for me, I would've preferred to start the film with M's debriefing of Bond first, then the plot or Bond's mission would've start unfolding as the film progresses, it's like a puzzle theory, with each clues to the cause of Bond's missions starts revealing one by one.

    Like, show Bond at the debriefing first, then as he goes to the mission, as the investigation progress, each clues or hint that would've trail him to the final resolution would be answered one by one, until it would've lead him to what really happened in the case that Bond was investigating, it would've give him answers to his mission where Bond has no clue of.

    Because, for me, my personal opinion, if they've shown the plot first, it would be a bit boring for a Bond film, because it would be a bit predictable, because we already know where's that leading, we already know what's happening, what's the point of the movie.

    Unlike when the plot was not shown first, the audiences would've likely to get puzzled and starts figuring out what's happening in the film.

    And it adds thrill, mystery and tension.

    I mean, sometimes, we need logic right?

    You, guys, what how would you prefer Bond's mission or the plot to be handled in Bond 26?

    Interesting question. Personally, I prefer to see the reason for Bond being called in. I think these things have more impact when the audience are actually shown something rather than purely having it relayed through dialogue.

    That doesn't necessarily mean that the audience has to know everything that's going on/what the villain's plan is beforehand, even if we're shown the reason for Bond's mission. DN is a good example in which we see Strangways being killed but are ultimately kept in the dark about the reason why, and discover this alongside Bond. You can apply that to LALD too in which we see the various people being killed in the PTS, and we uncover Kananga's plan alongside Bond.

    In that sense it's less a question of us being shown the reason for Bond's mission, but how much the audience should know at an early stage. Again, DN and LALD are examples where the audience receive information more or less at the same time as Bond, while TND, TWSLM, MR, YOLT etc. involve a level of dramatic irony in the sense that it's established relatively early what the villain's plan is. The latter can work very well and actually provide a level of tension that keeping us in the dark wouldn't otherwise have (ie. FRWL establishes early on that Bond is being set up for a trap, and the fact that we know this keeps us engaged). It really depends.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Very cool! Thanks!

  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    In my opinion, i think one of the most importants parts of a Bond movie is the tone, every movie has had the right tone for the time it came out, the question is, what tone do you all want for Bond 26?
    Early Connery?
    Post-Goldfinger Connery?
    Goofy Moore?
    Gritty Dalton?
    Formulaic Brosnan?
    Early Craig?
    Post Spectre-Craig?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    In my opinion, i think one of the most importants parts of a Bond movie is the tone, every movie has had the right tone for the time it came out, the question is, what tone do you all want for Bond 26?
    Early Connery?
    Post-Goldfinger Connery?
    Goofy Moore?
    Gritty Dalton?
    Formulaic Brosnan?
    Early Craig?
    Post Spectre-Craig?

    Early Connery, with a touch of Brosnan.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    In my opinion, i think one of the most importants parts of a Bond movie is the tone, every movie has had the right tone for the time it came out, the question is, what tone do you all want for Bond 26?
    Early Connery?
    Post-Goldfinger Connery?
    Goofy Moore?
    Gritty Dalton?
    Formulaic Brosnan?
    Early Craig?
    Post Spectre-Craig?

    I'd like one normal Bond movie just to show that they're still capable of making them. Maybe a mixture of Early Connery, 90s Brosnan, and early Craig.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    CR-QOS. :D
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    In my opinion, i think one of the most importants parts of a Bond movie is the tone, every movie has had the right tone for the time it came out, the question is, what tone do you all want for Bond 26?
    Early Connery?
    Post-Goldfinger Connery?
    Goofy Moore?
    Gritty Dalton?
    Formulaic Brosnan?
    Early Craig?
    Post Spectre-Craig?

    Early Connery and gritty Dalton.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I have my own preference:

    I prefer it to be balanced, a combination of grittiness, groundedness, drama/romance, some touch of humor, adventure, but still staying to the formula.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    mtm wrote: »
    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.

    Yes, and all of the action films these days seemed be a bit gritty, they're more like Skyfall to me, because look at Ethan Hunt, he's given a personal aspect beyond just being an action hero, he has a daughter, he's given a wife, and those gave meat to the story more than just being an action adrenaline rush, the Moore Era Bond films didn't have that, it's just a mindless fun of pure escapism and action, but beyond that, it's empty, so no, I don't believe Mission Impossible have that Moore tone in them, possibly more akin to Brosnan Era (action with some personal stories sprinkled over it).

    If there's a modern Franchise that adhere more to the Moore Era, it might be the Kingsman series, there's nothing in it other than a pure, mindless escapism action adventure, but beyond that, there's nothing in it, it's those films that one couldn't take seriously.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess they are more cartoony and comic book, although the latest one does have a bit of personal drama in there you wouldn't have seen Roger tackle. It's difficult: there's no perfect match really, storytelling moves on, as it should.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.

    You're almost describing Octopussy @mtm.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    For me, I prefer the tone to be like OHMSS/TLD/GE:

    1. Action and tension
    2. Humor
    3. Fantastical elements
    4. Bondian Elements
    5. Drama/romance
    6. Groundedness/grittiness
    7. Mystery/thrill
    8. Charm
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 6,687
    I think we’ve reached a time when almost all of our voices speak in a very close unison. That is very interesting, I think. We all want practically the same. Albeit with some variations, but the same. That is very patent in the “you do rather” thread. Again, very interesting.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Benny wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.

    You're almost describing Octopussy @mtm.

    I often wonder what a modern day Octopussy would be like! I stand by my position that if Octopussy was Moore’s first film (or even right after TSWLM), it would be an irrefutable classic of the series.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited August 2023 Posts: 1,033
    Benny wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.

    You're almost describing Octopussy @mtm.

    I often wonder what a modern day Octopussy would be like! I stand by my position that if Octopussy was Moore’s first film (or even right after TSWLM), it would be an irrefutable classic of the series.

    I think that the closest we had to the Moore era in the contemporary Bond era were DAD and SP.
    But yeah, Octopussy is very underrated, even today almost
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,450
    Benny wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    My favourite tone is somewhere probably in the region of Daylights/Casino Royale/Skyfall - seemingly with a bit of grit but still quite fantastical with touches of fun and silliness, but also punctured with moments of drama and tension. And ideally a bit of a Eurospy atmosphere too. Something like LTK/QoS goes too far and loses the Bond appeal for me.
    I love TSWLM, but I can't see how that would work nowadays. Even when folks say that some of the Mission Impossible films channel the Roger tone, Rogue Nation or Ghost Protocol feel closer to Skyfall than Spy to me.

    You're almost describing Octopussy @mtm.

    I often wonder what a modern day Octopussy would be like! I stand by my position that if Octopussy was Moore’s first film (or even right after TSWLM), it would be an irrefutable classic of the series.

    I think that the closest we had to the Moore era in the contemporary Bond era were DAD and SP.
    But yeah, Octopussy is very underrated, even today almost

    SP? I don't think it's as campy as the Moore Bond films, Idk, for me, it's still a bit gritty, it's more akin to TLD, it's bleak and full of dread, and that's not what I associate with the Moore Bond films.

    DAD, yes, that's the last Moore like Bond film.

    I think the Cuba sequence in NTTD was somewhat a lighthearted feel, probably the closest we could ever get to a modern Moore Bond film.

    I think NTTD may be semi-Moore Bond film (the cuba sequence, over the top stunts, a henchmen with distinctive quality in bionic eyes, fantastical gadgets like that of Boeing C-17, an EMP watch, Bond is more talkative and sarcastic, a megalomaniac villain in a lair, world domination plot).
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