NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • notimetocrynotimetocry Bristol
    Posts: 22
    One presumes the studio were well aware it wasn't likely to go anywhere much above $700m when they made the decision to release, and it's probably outperforming expectations everywhere except the US. They decided releasing now and making a bit less was better than waiting even longer with no guarantee of making more. There is also the aspect that continuing to delay holds up Bond 26, which I imagine will have a heavy focus on profitability now and quite an axe taken to the budget.

    The film is making as much as it possibly could in these conditions, which is the opposite of a flop, unless we are now including in our criticisms that Bond wasn't somehow immune to an unprecedented global pandemic that still has vast amounts of the world unable to engage socially in a normal way
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And what if? Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption both "flopped" but are now treated with much more respect than some of their financially more successful contemporaries. In fact, they have become indisputed classics, considered to be among the very best films ever made. Surely such masterpieces deserve better than to be called flops.

    I absolutely get the point that you're making here, and I agree... but NTTD in the same league as those films? LOL.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,847
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And what if? Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption both "flopped" but are now treated with much more respect than some of their financially more successful contemporaries. In fact, they have become indisputed classics, considered to be among the very best films ever made. Surely such masterpieces deserve better than to be called flops.

    I absolutely get the point that you're making here, and I agree... but NTTD in the same league as those films? LOL.

    Well, obviously not. 😉😉
  • Posts: 526
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And what if? Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption both "flopped" but are now treated with much more respect than some of their financially more successful contemporaries. In fact, they have become indisputed classics, considered to be among the very best films ever made. Surely such masterpieces deserve better than to be called flops.

    So what if Venom outperformed NTTD in America and in its opening weekend? You are just looking everywhere for "facts" that may help you build a strong case against NTTD.

    But you are sounding like a broken record, @sworddevil1. We know you don't like the ending. We have been treated to the same rants in several threads now. So I'd say duly noted, now please give it a rest. Some of us would like to discuss the film without having to take these silly stabs about what a film makes in the weirdest times since WWII all the time. Either come up with something new, or make a valid point for a change. It's okay to admit you don't like a film. Just don't pretend you can "prove" it's a bad film, because you can't.

    I could say that you are sounding like a broken record as well @DarthDimi. You are repeating the same arguments because you enjoyed the film. And yes, I hate it. But I don’t see how it’s fair to single me out when others are doing the same thing. Are you now dictating that I can’t discuss the same points?
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    According to this page :

    http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=18174

    NTTD has cost 301 000 000 $ to make. Right now, the international box office is at 459 955 085 $. Now, I realize that there are a lot of things that go into the profitability of a movie, but still, seems to me that NTTD is making money right now.
  • Posts: 7,506
    Gerard wrote: »
    According to this page :

    http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=18174

    NTTD has cost 301 000 000 $ to make. Right now, the international box office is at 459 955 085 $. Now, I realize that there are a lot of things that go into the profitability of a movie, but still, seems to me that NTTD is making money right now.


    Yes, I have no idea where the "needs to make 900 million to break even" number came from...? :-/ :-??
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,705
    Well, they also have to market it, and the studio/EON doesn't get all that box office money.

    But they also don't pay for the whole budget either. Or all the marketing. Nobody has any idea what has to be made to turn a profit, but MI6 HQ made up the 928 million figure, and some people think that makes sense. They apparently think EON makes movies that have to outgross their predecessors to turn a profit and have also never heard about product placement.
  • Posts: 7,506
    Well, they also have to market it, and the studio/EON doesn't get all that box office money.

    But they also don't pay for the whole budget either. Or all the marketing. Nobody has any idea what has to be made to turn a profit, but MI6 HQ made up the 928 million figure, and some people think that makes sense. They apparently think EON makes movies that have to outgrossnfheir predecessors to turn a profit and have also never heard about product placement.


    Seems like an absurdly high number to me.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,705
    jobo wrote: »
    Well, they also have to market it, and the studio/EON doesn't get all that box office money.

    But they also don't pay for the whole budget either. Or all the marketing. Nobody has any idea what has to be made to turn a profit, but MI6 HQ made up the 928 million figure, and some people think that makes sense. They apparently think EON makes movies that have to outgrossnfheir predecessors to turn a profit and have also never heard about product placement.


    Seems like an absurdly high number to me.

    It is. MI6 HQ took the budget, added an assumed marketing cost, and basically doubled it (due to how much box office goes back to the filmmakers) to come up with it. They don't account for the fact that a huge part of the budget and marketing is covered by Heineken, DHL, Range Rover, et al.

    If it's not profitable yet, I bet it will be soon.

    The film has also already passed what they predicted the overall global box office would be. It's totally amateurish analysis.
  • NTTD is far from being a flop. Just because the Americans couldn’t be bothered watching it in the numbers we were hoping doesn’t make it less of a success globally.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited October 2021 Posts: 23,847
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And what if? Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption both "flopped" but are now treated with much more respect than some of their financially more successful contemporaries. In fact, they have become indisputed classics, considered to be among the very best films ever made. Surely such masterpieces deserve better than to be called flops.

    So what if Venom outperformed NTTD in America and in its opening weekend? You are just looking everywhere for "facts" that may help you build a strong case against NTTD.

    But you are sounding like a broken record, @sworddevil1. We know you don't like the ending. We have been treated to the same rants in several threads now. So I'd say duly noted, now please give it a rest. Some of us would like to discuss the film without having to take these silly stabs about what a film makes in the weirdest times since WWII all the time. Either come up with something new, or make a valid point for a change. It's okay to admit you don't like a film. Just don't pretend you can "prove" it's a bad film, because you can't.

    I could say that you are sounding like a broken record as well @DarthDimi. You are repeating the same arguments because you enjoyed the film. And yes, I hate it. But I don’t see how it’s fair to single me out when others are doing the same thing. Are you now dictating that I can’t discuss the same points?

    Not sure I agree. I have spontaneously stated why I like the film, but not very often yet. Most of my efforts I have spent, not by trying to turn people who dislike the movie around, but by trying to point out the logical flaws in some arguments used against the film, including money = quality and the NTTD = anti-Fleming = bad film fallacy. And yes, I have repeated myself as such, because the arguments themselves have been repeated ad nauseam. I am absolutely okay with people saying NTTD is not for them. But some here seem very eager to find hard evidence for why I shouldn't like the film either. I am not doing the opposite, by the way. I am not trying to "demonstrate" with proof and fact why everyone ought to love this film. But when I read attacks against the film that I find unreasonably far-fetched or simply "false", I will debate said attacks. A broken record? Perhaps, but merely in answer to other broken records. It's been three weeks since I've seen the film for the first time. I posted my thoughts the next day. I didn't return the next day to repeat myself, and the day after that, and the day after that, ...

    You are right that I shouldn't single you out. Fact is, I'm not. And yes, you can debate all you want. But you do understand that bringing up the same stuff over and over and over again is not the same thing as keeping a good debate going.

    Look, I have no interest in starting a fight. Not over a film. But can we please move on? Raise a new complaint and I (and others) will happily comment on that.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    NTTD is far from a flop. Get a grip, folks.
    Very popular, especially outside of America.
    I have seen it 3 times. I just want the DVD out sooner. That's my ONLY complaint. B-)
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    With everything going on, I don't see how things could have gone much better in the end myself regarding NTTD's success. Making a decent amount of money in this situation, and very respectable reviews from most critics and audiences. Can't complain.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 526
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And what if? Blade Runner and The Shawshank Redemption both "flopped" but are now treated with much more respect than some of their financially more successful contemporaries. In fact, they have become indisputed classics, considered to be among the very best films ever made. Surely such masterpieces deserve better than to be called flops.

    So what if Venom outperformed NTTD in America and in its opening weekend? You are just looking everywhere for "facts" that may help you build a strong case against NTTD.

    But you are sounding like a broken record, @sworddevil1. We know you don't like the ending. We have been treated to the same rants in several threads now. So I'd say duly noted, now please give it a rest. Some of us would like to discuss the film without having to take these silly stabs about what a film makes in the weirdest times since WWII all the time. Either come up with something new, or make a valid point for a change. It's okay to admit you don't like a film. Just don't pretend you can "prove" it's a bad film, because you can't.

    I could say that you are sounding like a broken record as well @DarthDimi. You are repeating the same arguments because you enjoyed the film. And yes, I hate it. But I don’t see how it’s fair to single me out when others are doing the same thing. Are you now dictating that I can’t discuss the same points?

    Not sure I agree. I have spontaneously stated why I like the film, but not very often yet. Most of my efforts I have spent, not by trying to turn people who dislike the movie around, but by trying to point out the logical flaws in some arguments used against the film, including money = quality and the NTTD = anti-Fleming = bad film fallacy. And yes, I have repeated myself as such, because the arguments themselves have been repeated ad nauseam. I am absolutely okay with people saying NTTD is not for them. But some here seem very eager to find hard evidence for why I shouldn't like the film either. I am not doing the opposite, by the way. I am not trying to "demonstrate" with proof and fact why everyone ought to love this film. But when I read attacks against the film that I find unreasonably far-fetched or simply "false", I will debate said attacks. A broken record? Perhaps, but merely in answer to other broken records. It's been three weeks since I've seen the film for the first time. I posted my thoughts the next day. I didn't return the next day to repeat myself, and the day after that, and the day after that, ...

    You are right that I shouldn't single you out. Fact is, I'm not. And yes, you can debate all you want. But you do understand that bringing up the same stuff over and over and over again is not the same thing as keeping a good debate going.

    Look, I have no interest in starting a fight. Not over a film. But can we please move on? Raise a new complaint and I (and others) will happily comment on that.

    Fair enough. I’m a reasonable person. I too am not looking for a quarrel, far from it. And I’m not tying to get people to dislike it, didn’t mean to come across that way, but I may have. I guess venting would be the correct word, but I shall move on. This movie really gutted me. No lies to tell.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
    edited October 2021 Posts: 575
    I think what I can't understand from a logic standpoint is people willingly wanting this movie to flop. If you're a Bond fan, this makes no sense. By all means dislike NTTD but wanting it to fail is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. If it fails then that means no more Bond, period, or in the very least not for a VERY long time. If it fails, it could mean that EON might have to sell up and then you could get the likes of "The Adventures of Nomi!" on Amazon Prime (though I do recognise some people might be up for that).

    At least will NTTD to do decently. It's the way you end up with B26 and who knows? B26 could be the greatest Bond movie ever - for you anyway, the beauty of opinions.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.
  • Posts: 625
    Gerard wrote: »
    According to this page :

    http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=18174

    NTTD has cost 301 000 000 $ to make. Right now, the international box office is at 459 955 085 $. Now, I realize that there are a lot of things that go into the profitability of a movie, but still, seems to me that NTTD is making money right now.

    So you think, that EON/MGM/Universal get all the money you pay for the cinema ticket?
    And the theatre gets $0?

    On a worldwide average the production company/distributor gets 1/3 of the gross.

    So when NTTD reaches $600 million, MGM and Co. will have earned about $200 million.

    Of course we don't know the exact numbers. But that's all we can calculate with.
  • Gerard wrote: »
    According to this page :

    http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=18174

    NTTD has cost 301 000 000 $ to make. Right now, the international box office is at 459 955 085 $. Now, I realize that there are a lot of things that go into the profitability of a movie, but still, seems to me that NTTD is making money right now.

    Assuming that budget is correct (which is their production budget) then yes, the breakeven point would br around the 800/900 million mark. Tent pole films of Bond's size aren't spending less than $150 Million to market. It's usually around the $200Million mark and when you factor the start and stop promotion, that cost gets even bigger. Let's say we use 300Million for production and 200Million for marketing that's (300M × 2) + 200M = $800 Million to breakeven.
    So yeah, with a gross revenue of $460M so far, it's making money but it's a ways off to making a profit.
  • NTTD passes $500m WW on Saturday according to Forbes

    No Time to Die earned another $3.579 million on its third Friday, dropping 50% and setting itself up for a $12 million (-50%) third-weekend gross. That’ll give the 25th official James Bond movie a $120 million 17-day cume, with expectations now closer to $155 million than $185 million for a domestic finish. Still, the film will pass $500 million worldwide today, thanks to exceptional overseas business. It’s already the second-biggest Hollywood release of 2021 (behind F9’s $716 million finish), and it’ll end up well over Casino Royale ($600 million in 2006) to become the third-biggest 007 movie ever behind Spectre ($881 million) and Skyfall ($1.1 billion). That Dune is actually opening halfway decently is not great for Bond, but I’m guessing James Bond 26 will be closer to $200 million than $250 million and won’t open amid a global pandemic.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,293
    Minion wrote: »
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.

    From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.

    The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.

    I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.

    And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.

    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    ITT Armchair accountants play armchair accounting
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Minion wrote: »
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.

    From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.

    The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.

    I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.

    And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.

    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    1) It hasn’t flopped 2) Uncle Jeff is now onboard.
  • Posts: 3,293
    RC7 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.

    From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.

    The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.

    I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.

    And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.

    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    1) It hasn’t flopped 2) Uncle Jeff is now onboard.

    1) Great.
    2) Who's Uncle Jeff?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    RC7 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.

    From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.

    The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.

    I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.

    And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.

    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    1) It hasn’t flopped 2) Uncle Jeff is now onboard.

    1) Great.
    2) Who's Uncle Jeff?

    Bezos, the supervillain.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,293
    RC7 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    They want this “woke betrayal” of a character they’re overly obsessed with to flop so EON will go back to making movies where Bond treats women like meat and disrespects foreign cultures. Scared, fragile egos that can’t accept the world has moved on without them.

    From all the disgruntled voices I've heard on here about not liking NTTD, I have yet to see any posts which reflect your summary - wanting a return of Bond treating women like meat and disrespecting foreign cultures. If anyone does have this opinion then it is one I definitely don't share either.

    The general consensus here with the ones who don't like NTTD are the script, allowing Bond to just die, killing Felix, not using more of the Fleming novel YOLT, Craig's odd portrayal in certain scenes (interactions with M, Safin and Blofeld), the fact that the film starts brilliantly then nosedives after Cuba, Safin being underused as a villain, etc.

    I could be wrong, but I've yet to see posters on here demanding a return to what you are suggesting above, and highlighting that as the reason why they dislike the movie so much.

    And for the record, I don't want this film to flop. Not because I don't want EON to be punished for making the mistakes they did, but because I want the franchise to continue.

    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    1) It hasn’t flopped 2) Uncle Jeff is now onboard.

    1) Great.
    2) Who's Uncle Jeff?

    Bezos, the supervillain.

    Ahhh, that Jeff. Mr Amazon.
    I wonder how much free reign EON will get now under his watch.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,847
    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    Well, you can calm down then, relax, and pour yourself a glass of wine: NTTD isn't a flop.
  • Posts: 3,293
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    Well, you can calm down then, relax, and pour yourself a glass of wine: NTTD isn't a flop.

    Too early for a glass of wine. I'm just about to hit the gym.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,847
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    Well, you can calm down then, relax, and pour yourself a glass of wine: NTTD isn't a flop.

    Too early for a glass of wine. I'm just about to hit the gym.

    Trying to look like Craig in CR, are you? ;-) I get it. I wish I had the man's body. Good luck, mate!
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,293
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If NTTD did flop massively, it may put the brakes on the whole series, which I definitely don't want to happen.

    Well, you can calm down then, relax, and pour yourself a glass of wine: NTTD isn't a flop.

    Too early for a glass of wine. I'm just about to hit the gym.

    Trying to look like Craig in CR, are you? ;-) I get it. I wish I had the man's body. Good luck, mate!

    Fat chance of that DD, `fat' being the operative word... <:-P
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