Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (30th June 2023)

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's all gone a bit Octopussy :)

  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'll say this...Harrison Ford still looks bloody good!
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    Yes, he does!

    Cool photos. Great to see Banderas is going to be an ally of Indy's, I can sense great chemistry there (and hopefully no betrayals...)
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    Who's Banderas portraying ?
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    mtm wrote: »
    Well at least it will have actually been made and isn't just a hypothetical film like it was for so many years.

    Be careful what you wish for...recall IJATKOTCS ? (there's that ridiculously long title again...)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Who's Banderas portraying ?

    Some guy with a sailor hat and deck shoes, on a jetty by a boat. I'm going to guess he's a sailor! :)
    Since62 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Well at least it will have actually been made and isn't just a hypothetical film like it was for so many years.

    Be careful what you wish for...recall IJATKOTCS ? (there's that ridiculously long title again...)

    I'd rather have Skull than not have it though.
  • Banderas dressed in a sailors costume? I assume he's not Captain Birdseye?
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    He's Katanga.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    Regarding the delay in release, I'd like to point out that production for The Irishman, a film that made extensive use of de-aging in post, without any use of motion tracking markers, took place 18 months before the actual premiere.
    If they want to do it right, the process is extremely time-consuming.
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    Speaking of The Irishman, I do hope Indy 5's de-aging is an improvement over that, to whatever extent they use it. Watching The Irishman, I couldn't help but think that de-aging is about more than removing wrinkles. The shapes of faces change with age; the eyes too. Not to mention other things like the voice and the way a person moves. I actually think they tackled a few of the aspects I mentioned, not just the wrinkles, but the overall result wasn't a big success. Luckily, it was still a good movie.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 440
    Regarding the delay in release, I'd like to point out that production for The Irishman, a film that made extensive use of de-aging in post, without any use of motion tracking markers, took place 18 months before the actual premiere.
    If they want to do it right, the process is extremely time-consuming.


    Of course, and it's worth noting that the process used in the Irishman was for 1000s of shots (many of them closeups).

    And using an experimental method that didn't allow the VFX team to actually capture the actor's faces with special camera rigs or tracking dots.

    Luckily, from the set photos we've seen, we know that this film is going to be using tracking dots for the de-ageing scenes and likely not for the majority of the film.

    I'm more glad about this delay because of things like the scenes filmed in Glasgow, where Harrison Ford was 100% not present for the filming because of his injury, and they'll have to paste his face onto the double's.

    If not done extremely well, it could risk looking mind-bogglingly awful, so the more time the better. Plus, having over a year for post-production will do wonders for the movie's effects in general.

    One of the reasons why CGI looks so off in a lot of recent blockbusters is because it's rushed out in less than half a year to meet an insanely unrealistic deadline.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    As far as de-aging, it has been hit and miss. One of the advantages they have in working on Ford is that he still looks so good, much better than the actors in The Irishman.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Lucasfilm hired the guy who was posting better versions (using deepfake) on YouTube than what Lucasfilm and Marvel had done in past movies, doing side by side comparisons. It keeps getting better, I’m sure it will be vastly improved.

    Ford looks amazing as usual. I do hope he moves well. He was still fluid in Skull, but in Force Awakens I thought his movement was noticeably aged… but that may have just been that movie, he did have his leg broken. I didn’t really notice it in new Blade Runner.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 14,861
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Speaking of The Irishman, I do hope Indy 5's de-aging is an improvement over that, to whatever extent they use it. Watching The Irishman, I couldn't help but think that de-aging is about more than removing wrinkles. The shapes of faces change with age; the eyes too. Not to mention other things like the voice and the way a person moves. I actually think they tackled a few of the aspects I mentioned, not just the wrinkles, but the overall result wasn't a big success. Luckily, it was still a good movie.

    I think that is a benefit of having this made by Disney: with the Marvel movies they seem to be mastering this and I'm sure this will be the best example of de-ageing we've seen so far.

    Hopefully they'll be able to use the extra time (it's not always the case because the SFX teams may well just be scheduled to move onto the next thing); and I guess that may be part of the reason why we saw the production start with WW2 scenes - so they have as much time as possible doing the de-ageing bits.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Speaking of The Irishman, I do hope Indy 5's de-aging is an improvement over that, to whatever extent they use it. Watching The Irishman, I couldn't help but think that de-aging is about more than removing wrinkles. The shapes of faces change with age; the eyes too. Not to mention other things like the voice and the way a person moves. I actually think they tackled a few of the aspects I mentioned, not just the wrinkles, but the overall result wasn't a big success. Luckily, it was still a good movie.

    I agree with this. I enjoyed the film, but in no way did I believe that De Niro was as young as he was supposed to be in certain points of the film. As you said - there's much more than removing a few wrinkles. He still moves like an older man. The scene where he beats up the shopkeeper sticks in my mind as something that unintentionally gave me a chuckle. Still a fantastic film overall, but I couldn't shake the feeling that the deaging took me out of it a bit.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited October 2021 Posts: 467
    The shopkeeper scene also takes me out of the film. De Niro kicks about as hard as somebody who can break his hip would. During other moments in the film, it's not that problematic, even with the waxy look, because this story is itself some kind of subjective recollections by some unreliable narrator. If the picture is a little embellished or unnatural, it's in line with the dreamlike feel of some sequences.

    Regarding Blade Runner 2049, I won't spoil it here, but there's a major reveal in the last act that involves CGI recreation. The scene itself took a lot of months to render, especially as Denis Villeneuve was extremely disappointed by the CGI recreation in the final scene from Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, which looked indeed terrible, and wanted to get things right at all costs for his film. And the end result is in uncanny valley territories, which is exactly the thing he tried to achieve.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess one handy thing is that when you're recreating a Harrison Ford of the 80s there's a lot of reference material to use! :)
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    They’re not going to de age him for the entire movie surely? I’d assume it’s just for a flashback scene.Anyway,not bothered about the delay.Crystal Skull killed the franchise and don’t think many people are excited about a near 80 year old Indy shuffling his way through another film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 14,861
    Yes, no-one's talking about it here after all - only 95 pages' worth on a James Bond forum :))
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    Every time I read about the advances in de ageing technology I think give Dalton another go!!
    One can dream.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited October 2021 Posts: 7,890
    One of the things about de-aging is , how does the actor being worked with look now and how far back are the filmmakers attempting to go. Obviously, the farther back the more challenging.

    For example, Clint Eastwood and William Shatner, both men are in their 90’s and while older Clint still looks like Clint, while Shatner hardly resembles his younger self. The Digital artist would have a relatively easier time de-aging Clint. Harrison Ford is on the cusp of 80 but he still looks like Harrison Ford. I’m excited to see an in his prime Indy.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    Whilst vita not de-ageing, I thought that Peter Cushing in Star Wars- Rogue was very well done. I’m sure after five or six years, such technology has advanced even more.
  • Oh man I found Tarkin suuuuper distracting with how artificial he looked. Took me right out of the movie.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Tarkin looked awful to my eyes. It was as though a character from a PS2 cut scene suddenly appeared. I think there was some over confidence in the technology. While it has come a long way, they just showed far too much of him. Having him as a background character would have been enough to fulfill the fan service and show that the character is there. Having him front and center was a little too on the nose and it stuck out. It also took me right out of the movie. Didn't care for the Young Leia cameo either.
  • Agree with Leia looking a bit, what's the expression, "uncanny valley" but I thought Tarkin scenes were excellent.
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    Even if they made it impossible to distinguish between real and fake (which they will), I would still have a problem with the de-aging technology. Some would call it the next step in movie making, but using technology to immortalize a character or an actor?

    How about Indiana Jones 7 and 8, with a young Harrison Ford? Doable! Or bringing back Connery as the next Bond? Doable. Far out, perhaps...but hey, they are bringing James Dean back, so why not?
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    Bringing James Dean back ? Who "they" ?
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