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My personal choice would be Madden but there's a danger that casting him could be perceived as trying to fit into Craig's mould and that's not good either. He's also strongly rumoured to be gay, so while I have no issue with it (and I assume Babs wouldn't either) whether they think it would have an outcome or not could be a little bit of a sticking point for them. While Madden's absolutely gorgeous (to me anyway), he is as you say, a little short but then you could argue Craig (who to me is absolutely gorgeous too - you could say I like the rough types!) is also a little short and it never did him any harm.
And I'm aware this will come off as very much a woman's perspective but hopefully it shows the other side of the coin... It comes back to the old adage of "women want to sleep with him, men want to be him..." But, for me... Some of the suggestions in this thread are a little baby faced rather than "handsome" whether conventionally or unconventionally. I know that's not really the be all and end all when it comes to casting a Bond... But just give me a man I can look at where I could say I would quite easily sleep with him. It doesn't have to be that extremely baby faced good looking guy... But he has to be able to look confident, give off that alpha male, dominant vibe while also keeping himself mysterious and emotionally unavailable. It's the bad boy fantasy that we have (and one that some women unfortunately never seem to get out of).
As for suggestions, I have none really to throw into the ring. Back when Spectre came out I thought Dan Stevens could realistically have a crack at it. That's also a ship that's sailed. Personally, I hope they go for someone that's "is hot but not hot conventionally" but also has the good acting chops to go with it. I'd love for them to go with someone relatively unknown.
Absolutely. And it seems we now have to apologise for wanting just that. One produces a viable candidate, with the looks, the presence, the curriculum, and he's immediately thrown overboard because he's not fringe enough and is too conventional.
Moreover, I do believe there are some personal issues going on here; people find it a deterrent if he's heterosexual, if he's good looking, if he's white, and find somewhat of a personal offence when we depict the character as such. I would love for Luke Evans to be Bond, and he's gay. But he's manly. He's not Rege or Chalamet, who are both heterosexual but, frankly, don't look manly at all. People confuse things. Being gay and looking gay are not the same, being that when people refer to the latter (rather in poor taste, I might add) they're referring to an histrionical fashion or mannerisms, which are not homosexual exclusive, as Chalamet has so aptly showed in any red carpet venue he's been. So, people, stop confusing things that get you into stupid arguments.
I was just thinking with Madden as an overarching thing... We just had "outrage" for the past two years over this movie. I can't be doing that again with having to explain that "he's just an actor playing a part" ad nauseum as it especially shouldn't preclude him.
It's like some people expect the heterosexual actors to be Bond IRL to back it up.
And exactly @00Heaven, you make a great point. The actor isn’t going to fully represent the character in real life, which some people seem to be looking for.
Yes you are virtue signalling, according to me and for good reason. Again, he looks like a woman to me with extreme feminine facial features, let alone his style. Yes, this is subjective but this is my honest opinion. Were you born offended, or? I don't need some PC police to 'correct' me where they find necessary. The term power bottom is intrinsically ridiculous, we all know that. The gay community uses that term to type certain gay men within the community, often said in jest, like myself in this case.
Again, stop virtue signalling moreover gaslighting as you are seeking issues that aren't there. Again, p2d has a 180 degree different view from mine and many others. Often his posts, whether him being honest or not, come over as looking for conflict. Isn't he familiar with the body of work by Fleming? Chalamet, really? Page, really? Many many other ridiculous propositions that are bordering on offensive. This is MY opinion. So there you have it, action - reaction, again and again.
Also, last but not least, Bond is a type. If the type is not right he could act like Day-Lewis and still not get away with it. For this reason I still don't like Craig. He still looks like a bouncer to me, from Russian descent. Not Bond. Glad his tenure is finally over. No more emo Bond with all his sulking. Back to the roots of Bond or nothing for me, personally.
@Univex
Read what I actually wrote please, regarding your reply above. You are literally being gaslit about something I didn't even say.
@00Heaven
Solid post, I can only agree.
That is so true. Diplomacy is still a thing.
Things that just don't sit well are, for example:
a) compulsory suggesting fringe candidates of other ethnicities or of phenoptipes diametrical opposite and divergent of what the character is supposed to look like, only for shock value;
b) referring to histrionical fashionistas as gay looking;
c) referring to fans as purists, as if that implied other connotations such as homofobia or bigotry;
d) distinguishing true fans from false fans;
...; and I'm sure I'd think of others if I had the time.
@Denbigh is a valuable member of the forums, such as yourself @JeremyBondon, and he does not gaslight, trust me, he's a good fella.
@Denbigh, @JeremyBondon is a nice fella with strong opinions who does not want to engage you the wrong way.
And both of you were thrown into the ring by another who I will not mention, but has the covert tendency to do so. So chill, guys, you'd get along in another circumstances, I'm sure. As a friend of both, I'd like you to shake hands, and carry on.
Truth to be told, I don't like denbigh, nor do I like (especially) mtm for good reasons that go back years. It'd be better if one could block all posts by certain members, but I reckon not realistic on a forum. Over and out.
Yeah, he wouldn't have been perhaps one to shake it up as Craig did (and perhaps arguably it did need that at that point: it certainly worked anyway), but he'd have done everything perfectly and he's a properly charismatic star. Sort of on the Brosnan level of all-rounder, but with the added ability to do the action/tough stuff perhaps a bit more convincingly too.
@JeremyBondon, my friend, ...I tried to get you to shake hands. That's all. I find no fault in either of you.
About member blockage, we'll, it's been suggested, mostly because of certain members who are downright difficult. But I don't think that's feasible. Just skip their comments altogether, and read the ones you identify with. That's what I try to do.
That being said, I'd happily return to the 60s as you say, but we have to make due with what we've got :)
Well said. Everyone's obviously welcome to have their own preferences, but playing the martyr and claiming they're being made to apologise for that, rather than for just using homophobic phrasing, is disingenuous at best.
I know and you are a proper gent so I appreciate it. But it is what it is at the end of the day. Some things don't change. Cheers and a high five.
Anyway, @4EverBonded, I forgot to reply to your message about Claflin. He's done a lot of things. He's quite a good character actor. Here's a clip of him in Peaky Blinders:
Exactly! That's what's wrong in the world today. Draw conclusions and condemn. Perhaps you should have asked why I wrote what I wrote and how I meant it. I have gay friends and they all use 'certain' terms that could be offensive but in the core are not. It's not black and white often, such as in this case. Again, if p2d would read some Fleming novels in the future we won't be having this debate again.
That is actually an interesting point, I think. I have read a few pieces about NTTD and the Craig era in general that argued, that an actor portraying Bond doesn't really have to be a great actor, he has to be a great screenpresence. Which arguably is an even harder thing to do.
So what is the stance of you guys and girls on that. Does our next Bond need the chops to also do Iago in Othello or play MacBeth as Craig has or do you not care?
Sidenote: There is something about Rege-Jean Page's upper teeth (upper jaw? What do you call that in English?) when he smiles that freaks me out. He looks great when he is smoldering into the camera, but watching Bridgerton, every few scenes he turns into Mr. Burns for a few seconds. Really weird.
Question out of curiosity: What do you think of Brosnan looks wise? Was he in the "pretty boy, not rugged enough" category or not?
Well I guess Roger and, to a lesser extent, Pierce prove that's true in some way. Personally I'd want a really good actor as well, but if I put my priorities for what a Bond actor needs in order I'd probably put screen presence above raw acting talent, yeah.
I guess you can look at Ralph Fiennes -brilliant actor- in 98's The Avengers and say that his acting ability wasn't helping him there.
I've got a sneaking suspicion it could well be Josh O'Connor for Bond 26. Don't hold me to it, but don't rule it out either.
And the interesting thing with Jackman is that he looks nothing like the Wolverine from the comics, who's very short and larger. Yet, Jackman was the standout character from the early X-Men movies even if almost every casting choice had nailed physically the source material.
The same thing happened to Craig and Bond. Not the obvious candidate, but the best choice in retrospect.
When I was a lot younger I used to think he was hot. As I've gotten older, not so much and I found that my taste changed drastically as I got older. Saying that it's a weird one because I think he suits silver fox a lot more.
I can appreciate him, definitely, and he's certainly a nice blend of both.
It's the same with Dalton. Back when I thought Pierce was hot, I didn't think much of Dalton... Now I'm older I think Dalton has just that little something about him.
I think in terms of Bond actor attractiveness overall I don't think any of them have been particularly bad. Roger would score least for me.
Again, it's very subjective in terms of what you would define as rugged or not rugged. I suppose some people might say Dalton isn't rugged enough but for me he's who I picture in my mind's eye as Bond.
Same here. When I read Fleming I picture Dalton in my head for the most part, with only a few exceptions.
I asked because I have read people claim Brosnan had the perfect looks for Bond, while I have always considered him a bit too pretty in a way.
Craig, Connery, Moore and Dalton all look like they've been hewn from granite, whereas Brosnan is maybe a bit softer in the looks department; not sure if you'd agree with that?
I gave DAD a watch the other night and I hadn't noticed before how bouffant his hair is in that one: I'm not sure that helps!
Yes, I agree with that description. It seems very superficial, but I suppose this is one of the subconscious reasons why he is my least favorite Bond. The fact that he has a more high pitch voice than the others doesn't help either...
But let's not turn this into a duscussion about Brosnan. I love the guy in general. A true gentleman! The point of the matter is that Bond#7 shouldn't necessarily be too much of a pretty boy. We need some edge to him.
Good curriculum for it, right?
Also loved Richard Madden in The Bodyguard series. He's Scottish, and only 35 years old. Has presence and charisma. And his height is not that noticeable. ffs, he's 1,77, that's not that bad. Although Theo James is 1,83.
I also am a fan of Nicholas Hoult (Nicholas Caradoc Hoult), since About a boy. He's a talent, and has the looks, even if a bit too tall at 1,90.