NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions SPOILERS ALLOWED

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  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,045
    jake24 wrote: »
    Question, at which point is Mathilde definitively revealed as Bond’s daughter?
    On the island base, when Safin is given the virus necklace and tells Madeleine that it is "insurance." "Now I have your life in my hand and you bore his child in spite of his rejection." (parafrasing)
  • Posts: 523
    So sad. Just saw it. Damn. Damn. Damn it all. They killed him.

    Good to see the homage to the Locque murder though.

    This is me tomorrow.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 1,119
    I just returned home from seeing the film. I’ll probably make a full proper review later but I thought I’d share my initial thoughts.

    For one, I can completely understand why there are some fans that will not care for this movie. It has a very particular vision and voice and it is not going to be every Bond fans’s cup of tea. That being said….

    What an absolute triumph. Daniel Craig gives not only his best performance as Bond, but the best performance in the franchise and it’s not even particularly close. I went into this one completely spoiled and even I was caught off guard by Bond’s characterization in this film. Between Craig’s performance and Fukunaga’s writing/direction, they’ve done the seemingly impossible by making Bond feel completely real and accessible without completely demystifying the character. The set pieces, the action, gadgets, bombast, it’s all there. What really makes this one shine are the little moments of humanity that are littered throughout the film. Young Madeleine’s brief conversation with her alcoholic mother, the rawness of her heartbreak (literally snot running down her nose) as Bond abandons her in Matera, M’s (almost out of character) defensive anger as his back is completely against the wall, the way Nomi’s body language immediately peacocks as Bond enters the room early in their relationship, Bond shouting at Tanner after the interrogation knowing Blofeld got the best of him, the way he looks at Mathilde as she eats her apple… No Time to Die is full of big, significant, moments and reveals but it’s the little moments that happen in between them that make them count.

    The thesis question of Casino Royale (and effectively Craig’s run) is “What if we treated Bond as a real human?” He hurts, he bleeds, he makes mistakes, he grows and learns, he falls in love, and he is mortal. We’ve watched him through his struggles and triumphs as a 00 agent, but at the core of it all, he wants what at we all want as people. Love, family, hope for a future, and in this epic finale he has it all but for a moment and he sacrifices himself so that legacy can live on.

    In my full review I’ll go back to her some of the things I wasn’t a huge fan of (namely Obruchev, who feels like he got lost on the Austin Powers set and wandered his way into this film), but all in all this is everything I wanted but didn’t expect this film to be. Is it the best James Bond film? I’m not sure yet. But for me it very well may be the best film in the James Bond franchise.
  • Posts: 523
    I just returned home from seeing the film. I’ll probably make a full proper review later but I thought I’d share my initial thoughts.

    For one, I can completely understand why there are some fans that will not care for this movie. It has a very particular vision and voice and it is not going to be every Bond fans’s cup of tea. That being said….

    What an absolute triumph. Daniel Craig gives not only his best performance as Bond, but the best performance in the franchise and it’s not even particularly close. I went into this one completely spoiled and even I was caught off guard by Bond’s characterization in this film. Between Craig’s performance and Fukunaga’s writing/direction, they’ve done the seemingly impossible by making Bond feel completely real and accessible without completely demystifying the character. The set pieces, the action, gadgets, bombast, it’s all there. What really makes this one shine are the little moments of humanity that are littered throughout the film. Young Madeleine’s brief conversation with her alcoholic mother, the rawness of her heartbreak (literally snot running down her nose) as Bond abandons her in Matera, M’s (almost out of character) defensive anger as his back is completely against the wall, the way Nomi’s body language immediately peacocks as Bond enters the room early in their relationship, Bond shouting at Tanner after the interrogation knowing Blofeld got the best of him, the way he looks at Mathilde as she eats her apple… No Time to Die is full of big, significant, moments and reveals but it’s the little moments that happen in between them that make them count.

    The thesis question of Casino Royale (and effectively Craig’s run) is “What if we treated Bond as a real human?” He hurts, he bleeds, he makes mistakes, he grows and learns, he falls in love, and he is mortal. We’ve watched him through his struggles and triumphs as a 00 agent, but at the core of it all, he wants what at we all want as people. Love, family, hope for a future, and in this epic finale he has it all but for a moment and he sacrifices himself so that legacy can live on.

    In my full review I’ll go back to her some of the things I wasn’t a huge fan of (namely Obruchev, who feels like he got lost on the Austin Powers set and wandered his way into this film), but all in all this is everything I wanted but didn’t expect this film to be. Is it the best James Bond film? I’m not sure yet. But for me it very well may be the best film in the James Bond franchise.

    Interesting. You’re the first person to have the take that it could be the best film of the franchise.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Hope I'm allowed two posts in a row. Sorry.
    bondywondy wrote: »
    it's not about Q gay

    Thats barely anything in the film. Why is it a sticking point for you? Are gay people not allowed to be acknowledged unless they’re villains or something?

    Not relevant to the Bond universe unless it serves the plot in a meaningful way. Gender signalling by Eon. Woke a-go-go!

    Fleming used homosexuality as a plot point. Pussy Galore was a lesbian and Bond cured her of that affliction.
    Goldfinger (novel) ends as Bond looks into Pussy’s “deep blue-violet eyes that were no longer hard … He bent and kissed them lightly. He said, ‘They told me you only liked women’. She said, ‘I never met a man before.’” Bond promises her “a course of TLC”, before she looks up at his “passionate, rather cruel mouth” and it comes “ruthlessly down on hers”.

    Yes, it's very outdated and sexist and maybe homophobic in tone but it served a plot point. What is the relevance of Q's homosexuality? Are we to imply Q loves/is sexually attracted to Bond? Lol
    "James, save me!"
    "Oh not right now, Q"
    😄



    You need to get over it, @bondywondy. It was a passing remark made by Q, nothing with any particular plot relevance. Wishaw is gay: cut the man some slack, will you. And stop nagging about 1.5 seconds of the movie. It's barely there at all. If you equate that simple and short and barely audible line to the producers being "woke", you are out of touch with modern society. They just dropped the line, it's not a big issue, it's not even an issue. I'm sorry you can't handle the idea of a Q having dinner with another man. I'm sorry that offends you, though I can't see why. Just relax: you're perfectly safe from men who want to share a meal with other men.

    And if you feel that gay characters should just stay closeted, I feel sorry for you.
  • I don't knownif anyone else had this feeling, but I remember when Skyfall was released the DB5 reveal got such a big reaction and so many noted it as a highlight bit for whatever reason it just didn't land for me... I feel like the "Back to MI6" sequence here is my "Breadcrumbs" scene. The V8 reveal, the Bond theme, I just had a big silly grin on my face for that bit, I couldn't help it.
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    I absolutely loved how Q was presented in this film. So amusingly quirky, yet so likeable.
  • Posts: 2,264
    I just returned home from seeing the film. I’ll probably make a full proper review later but I thought I’d share my initial thoughts.

    For one, I can completely understand why there are some fans that will not care for this movie. It has a very particular vision and voice and it is not going to be every Bond fans’s cup of tea. That being said….

    What an absolute triumph. Daniel Craig gives not only his best performance as Bond, but the best performance in the franchise and it’s not even particularly close. I went into this one completely spoiled and even I was caught off guard by Bond’s characterization in this film. Between Craig’s performance and Fukunaga’s writing/direction, they’ve done the seemingly impossible by making Bond feel completely real and accessible without completely demystifying the character. The set pieces, the action, gadgets, bombast, it’s all there. What really makes this one shine are the little moments of humanity that are littered throughout the film. Young Madeleine’s brief conversation with her alcoholic mother, the rawness of her heartbreak (literally snot running down her nose) as Bond abandons her in Matera, M’s (almost out of character) defensive anger as his back is completely against the wall, the way Nomi’s body language immediately peacocks as Bond enters the room early in their relationship, Bond shouting at Tanner after the interrogation knowing Blofeld got the best of him, the way he looks at Mathilde as she eats her apple… No Time to Die is full of big, significant, moments and reveals but it’s the little moments that happen in between them that make them count.

    The thesis question of Casino Royale (and effectively Craig’s run) is “What if we treated Bond as a real human?” He hurts, he bleeds, he makes mistakes, he grows and learns, he falls in love, and he is mortal. We’ve watched him through his struggles and triumphs as a 00 agent, but at the core of it all, he wants what at we all want as people. Love, family, hope for a future, and in this epic finale he has it all but for a moment and he sacrifices himself so that legacy can live on.

    In my full review I’ll go back to her some of the things I wasn’t a huge fan of (namely Obruchev, who feels like he got lost on the Austin Powers set and wandered his way into this film), but all in all this is everything I wanted but didn’t expect this film to be. Is it the best James Bond film? I’m not sure yet. But for me it very well may be the best film in the James Bond franchise.

    Interesting. You’re the first person to have the take that it could be the best film of the franchise.

    I feel I got cheated to the punch on this one :)) I determined after my second screening yesterday that this is seriously rivaling Casino Royale for me (thought I posted about it, maybe I didn't) and after viewing #3 tonight it's all of SIX spots separated from Casino Royale on my all-time top films list (CR at #24, NTTD at #30).
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,054
    The more I think about it, the more I love this film. If it was only up to me the I’d watch every night for another week. Before deciding its spot on my ranking I need to see it in English tho.
    Anyway it looks like our American friends are quite loving it. Couldn’t be more happy. Hopefully the word of mouth will be strong.
  • Posts: 7,327
    matt_u wrote: »
    The more I think about it, the more I love this film. If it was only up to me the I’d watch every night for another week. Before deciding its spot on my ranking I need to see it in English tho.
    Anyway it looks like our American friends are quite loving it. Couldn’t be more happy. Hopefully the word of mouth will be strong.

    Yes, reading all the positive reviews from our American members really has put a smile on my face. For some strange reason I was concerned the film wouldn't resonate with the American audience. Turns out I was wrong.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
    Posts: 5,442
    If Safin was better written, I could see it rivaling for the top three Bond films, which SKYFALL is among.

    And no, CASINO ROYALE ain’t in my top 3.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,054
    peter wrote: »
    Unreal film! Incredible. Looks like Dan broke the curse

    He did it! He’s really going out with a bang. Glad you like it!
  • I just returned home from seeing the film. I’ll probably make a full proper review later but I thought I’d share my initial thoughts.

    For one, I can completely understand why there are some fans that will not care for this movie. It has a very particular vision and voice and it is not going to be every Bond fans’s cup of tea. That being said….

    What an absolute triumph. Daniel Craig gives not only his best performance as Bond, but the best performance in the franchise and it’s not even particularly close. I went into this one completely spoiled and even I was caught off guard by Bond’s characterization in this film. Between Craig’s performance and Fukunaga’s writing/direction, they’ve done the seemingly impossible by making Bond feel completely real and accessible without completely demystifying the character. The set pieces, the action, gadgets, bombast, it’s all there. What really makes this one shine are the little moments of humanity that are littered throughout the film. Young Madeleine’s brief conversation with her alcoholic mother, the rawness of her heartbreak (literally snot running down her nose) as Bond abandons her in Matera, M’s (almost out of character) defensive anger as his back is completely against the wall, the way Nomi’s body language immediately peacocks as Bond enters the room early in their relationship, Bond shouting at Tanner after the interrogation knowing Blofeld got the best of him, the way he looks at Mathilde as she eats her apple… No Time to Die is full of big, significant, moments and reveals but it’s the little moments that happen in between them that make them count.

    The thesis question of Casino Royale (and effectively Craig’s run) is “What if we treated Bond as a real human?” He hurts, he bleeds, he makes mistakes, he grows and learns, he falls in love, and he is mortal. We’ve watched him through his struggles and triumphs as a 00 agent, but at the core of it all, he wants what at we all want as people. Love, family, hope for a future, and in this epic finale he has it all but for a moment and he sacrifices himself so that legacy can live on.

    In my full review I’ll go back to her some of the things I wasn’t a huge fan of (namely Obruchev, who feels like he got lost on the Austin Powers set and wandered his way into this film), but all in all this is everything I wanted but didn’t expect this film to be. Is it the best James Bond film? I’m not sure yet. But for me it very well may be the best film in the James Bond franchise.

    yes yes yes ! loved the little details too. I am also glad that the initial "sad/angry" (i understand it!) responses are hopefully gone now and we can appreciate DC last movie. Looking forward to your full review :)

    p.s. also "je t'aime " - Lea saying something in french always gets me. Also her and mathilde felt very real as mother and daughter, not forced. The casting was spot on.
  • Posts: 523
    I just returned home from seeing the film. I’ll probably make a full proper review later but I thought I’d share my initial thoughts.

    For one, I can completely understand why there are some fans that will not care for this movie. It has a very particular vision and voice and it is not going to be every Bond fans’s cup of tea. That being said….

    What an absolute triumph. Daniel Craig gives not only his best performance as Bond, but the best performance in the franchise and it’s not even particularly close. I went into this one completely spoiled and even I was caught off guard by Bond’s characterization in this film. Between Craig’s performance and Fukunaga’s writing/direction, they’ve done the seemingly impossible by making Bond feel completely real and accessible without completely demystifying the character. The set pieces, the action, gadgets, bombast, it’s all there. What really makes this one shine are the little moments of humanity that are littered throughout the film. Young Madeleine’s brief conversation with her alcoholic mother, the rawness of her heartbreak (literally snot running down her nose) as Bond abandons her in Matera, M’s (almost out of character) defensive anger as his back is completely against the wall, the way Nomi’s body language immediately peacocks as Bond enters the room early in their relationship, Bond shouting at Tanner after the interrogation knowing Blofeld got the best of him, the way he looks at Mathilde as she eats her apple… No Time to Die is full of big, significant, moments and reveals but it’s the little moments that happen in between them that make them count.

    The thesis question of Casino Royale (and effectively Craig’s run) is “What if we treated Bond as a real human?” He hurts, he bleeds, he makes mistakes, he grows and learns, he falls in love, and he is mortal. We’ve watched him through his struggles and triumphs as a 00 agent, but at the core of it all, he wants what at we all want as people. Love, family, hope for a future, and in this epic finale he has it all but for a moment and he sacrifices himself so that legacy can live on.

    In my full review I’ll go back to her some of the things I wasn’t a huge fan of (namely Obruchev, who feels like he got lost on the Austin Powers set and wandered his way into this film), but all in all this is everything I wanted but didn’t expect this film to be. Is it the best James Bond film? I’m not sure yet. But for me it very well may be the best film in the James Bond franchise.

    Interesting. You’re the first person to have the take that it could be the best film of the franchise.

    I feel I got cheated to the punch on this one :)) I determined after my second screening yesterday that this is seriously rivaling Casino Royale for me (thought I posted about it, maybe I didn't) and after viewing #3 tonight it's all of SIX spots separated from Casino Royale on my all-time top films list (CR at #24, NTTD at #30).

    Yes, you did mention it : )
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
    Posts: 447
    I'm seeing it again this afternoon. Can't wait. I'm sure I'll have some more thoughts.

    BTW, someone may be able to expand better on this that I can...

    But Heracles in mythology. Isn't he eventually driven mad and from that then accidentally goes on to kills his wife and children?

    Sacrificing yourself really does become the Herculean thing to do in the end then.

    I just thought that was a nice little inclusion.

    @peter I'm glad to see you enjoyed it!!
  • When I saw it for the first time I had tears streaming down my face when Mathilde smiled as her mum is about to tell her the story of her dad in the very last scene.

    Craig did what he does best in this role, he shook it up, and went out with a bang. Each Bond actor brings his own continuity into the role....thank you Mr Craig for the 5 you gave us.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 582
    Random thought after watching NTTD again.
    As much as I thought Primo was ok that character should instead have been Mr Hinx. He could still have had the bionic eye even it just would have added a bit more spice to the rivalry with Bond through the film.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
    Posts: 5,442
    I would have LOVED to see Hinx back and do more. Bautista still proudly posts about his experience shooting SPECTRE to this day, and sounds like he would have been game to come back. He certainly seems to be good pals with Craig, as he joined on the KNIVES OUT sequel.

    That said, I liked Primo. Craig hasn’t had a great collection of memorable henchmen. Even though I liked Hinx it was a big mistake to kill him off and not have him around for the climax fighting Bond in the ruins of MI6.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
    Posts: 1,547
    @MakeshiftPython I agree that it certainly would’ve spiced up the ending of Spectre if Hinx was chasing Bond around the old MI6 building.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 582
    Mallory wrote: »
    @MakeshiftPython I agree that it certainly would’ve spiced up the ending of Spectre if Hinx was chasing Bond around the old MI6 building.

    It would, especially knowing that Bond struggled against him on the train, it would have made that full of jeopardy.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 193
    My Daniel Craig Ranking after i watched NTTD 2x times

    1. NTTD 10/10
    2. CR 10/10
    3. SF 9,5/10
    4. SP 9/10 (10/10 until the london final)
    5. QOS 7/10
  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
    Posts: 114
    the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.
  • Posts: 7,327
    Oh, here we go again... =))
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
    Posts: 5,442
    the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.

    Ever heard of the multi-verse?
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 16,360
    Newsflash! James Bond in the Novel's is not the same James Bond in the films. The Cinema Bond is an interpretation of James Bond and there have been more than one interpretation.

    Also there is one thing you can never accuse the film series of and that is consistency, the film series is allover the place with regards to continuity and I love it for this.

    James Bond (the character) is very much alive and will return.
  • the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.

    I also find the glib response rather surprising. This is a pivotal moment. There is a reason why it was never done before. There was a sense of continuity with 007 being the same person, James Bond. That's what makes his death so impactful. If Bond comes back, then no impact can ever be the same again - that is perhaps why Craig has been accused of selfishness.

    Some people are happy with a Marvel style different universes/multiverse. If multiple bond universes are possible, then each one matters little.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
    Posts: 5,442
    thetruth wrote: »
    the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.

    I also find the glib response rather surprising. This is a pivotal moment. There is a reason why it was never done before. There was a sense of continuity with 007 being the same person, James Bond. That's what makes his death so impactful. If Bond comes back, then no impact can ever be the same again - that is perhaps why Craig has been accused of selfishness.

    Some people are happy with a Marvel style different universes/multiverse. If multiple bond universes are possible, then each one matters little.

    Or we are just not as uptight about it. It’s all fictional.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 6,189
    the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.
    No, the next film incarnation of Bond will be a completely new adaptation of Fleming’s literary creation; it will be completely independent of past efforts and will stand on its own. The possibilities are exciting.

    James Bond Will Return
  • BelinusBelinus Scotland
    Posts: 48
    the ending really shocked me,
    but what shocked me far more is the reaction of the series fans ,
    can't you see it! , everybody dealing with it like it is just another Bond finale,
    no it is not , it is the series finale even if they say "James Bond will return" at the end of the film ,
    can't you see that any reboot will be of no real thrill as it simply will be in the "past" ,
    every upcoming film will be a memory or a flash back ,
    our beloved series was destroyed once and forever for fulfilling the ambition of a selfish actor who wanted everything James Bond to be related to him from cradle to grave by a stupid producers that sold their inheritance in the cheapest way ,
    can't you see it is the death of the series itself!!! ,
    it was the most stupid move in cinematic history ,
    yesterday was one of the worst days of my life.

    This is pretty much how I felt last weekend having just seen the film. I did feel that it had ruined the whole franchise and I would struggle to watch a Bond film again, and definitely not NTTD.

    However, a week on I still don’t agree with the decision to kill Bond but I have largely accepted it. The reasoning behind it as discussed on here has helped at least see why they did it. I now bizarrely feel like seeing the film again as I was loving it until the last part and maybe now I know what happens I will be in a better position to enjoy the whole film. As for not watching another Bond film, I definitely felt that way at the time. Now I have an urge to watch the TD and PB ones as they are the films I tend to watch least.

  • EinoRistoSiniahoEinoRistoSiniaho Oulu, Finland
    Posts: 73
    thetruth wrote: »
    Some people are happy with a Marvel style different universes/multiverse. If multiple bond universes are possible, then each one matters little.
    We've already had officially two different Bondiverses since 2006, before the Marvel films exploded. Next Bond will establish a third. This is just as exciting than waiting for CR to open.



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