NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.
  • See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.
  • TheQueensPeaceTheQueensPeace That's Classified
    edited October 2021 Posts: 74
    I think Makeshift Python actually IS Babs or Dan?! love your work and posts btw, either way ;)

    I am still not over it.
    I can only reiterate:

    1: Fine. Kill Bond. No biggie.

    2: But make your mind up ffs. Is this a fun Bond or a dark one. TONE is EVERYTHING.

    3: Licence to Kill, OHMSSS, Quantum: all 'dark'. All great imho. But Bond survived them which is the one note of hopeful rationale for enduring the darkness?

    4: IF Bond goes down, he would go down with the ship. Not BY the sodding ship!

    5: 'very fleming'. No, it isn't. Copying and pasting paragraphs from Ian's latter entries is proof of flogging a dead horse. There were no more novels. They failed to harness the short stories or simply remake, say, Moonraker, properly? Nobody can speak for Ian Fleming inc me. Yes, BUT: YOLT all but kills Bond and gives him a fairly blunt send off. That is a BOOK. Bot a mooooviee. Differing medium, heritage, character. THIS Bond? Even Craig-verse would have received a top flight funeral, no question. And THAT montage, maybe against a clip reel of his greatest hits as Bond theme rolled..THAT would have nailed it, for me. The scooby gang doing faux stiff upper lip..when the ENTIRE FILM is copiously urinating OVER that ethic? It just does not 'fit' the tone of the film, the series, or indeed Craig's run which, unless everyone forgot, actually got SOFTER and MORE sentimental as it went on. Hence my argument that if you do kill him: do it in Quantum, not here, or at least leave the stage with SKYFALL. Or just FIX THE SPECTRE SCRIPT!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,476
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Caring about Oscars and award shows seems as pointless as worrying about all of the public polls and ratings. The Oscars have always been political, going back to the '40s. Meaningless.

    Personally I care more about Venice, Berlin and, to a lesser extent, Cannes. Still not in a way that I’d feel upset about it though, but at least they look at cinema as a global phenomenon.

    Surely Cannes is even more political! And Berlin....I always get the impression that people willing to show up get prizes. Wes Anderson best director for Isle of Dogs? Peculiar choice.
  • Posts: 3,055
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    Zekidk wrote: »
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.

    Vocal minority.
  • baerrttbaerrtt United kingdom
    Posts: 16
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Judging from the box office/positive real world reactions this is likely another case of hardcore traditionalist fans,some of them,trying to think the Gp shares their negative opinion.

    I've seen NTTD 3 times and each time I've seen the audience cheer and by the ending stunned emotionally. I want franchises I'm a fan of to go to places they've not tread because more often than not it pays off imo. NTTD is basically OHMSS with Bond as Tracy and I find that a bonkers and beautiful concept the ending emotionally delivers on.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 2,875
    Zekidk wrote: »
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.

    Vocal minority.

    Need to let the dust settle on this one before making an accurate assessment. Once a new actor steps into the role and a new film is out, then we will start to see the true reflections on this movie. And that's a few years away.

    Brosnan's reign and the likes of DAD may have been hailed by many to be great back then, yet we all know where his reign and that film belongs now. CR became the new benchmark, and that was unfortunate for Brosnan and his swansong.
  • Posts: 87
    I find it hard to enjoy seeing Bond's child and the NTTD ending just because someone wants me to feel this way, especially as I admire all Bond actors:

    https://clip.cafe/diamonds-are-forever-1971/im-morton-slumber/
  • Posts: 3,055
    Correct, most casual movie goers have no problem with Bond dying, that's safe to assume. But many Bond fans, clearly, who have been fans for decades and have been following the character? Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego. It seems the producers designed this movie to try to appease and pander to every faction out there - except those Bond fans.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    Zekidk wrote: »
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.

    Vocal minority.

    Need to let the dust settle on this one before making an accurate assessment. Once a new actor steps into the role and a new film is out, then we will start to see the true reflections on this movie. And that's a few years away.

    Brosnan's reign and the likes of DAD may have hailed by many to be great, yet we all know where his reign and that film belongs now. ;)

    Bring on Bond 26 then! ;)

    The most shocking thing about NTTD was that it took 25 films for Bond to cook scrambled eggs. I think the closest we got to that was AVTAK with the quiche.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Correct, most casual movie goers have no problem with Bond dying, that's safe to assume. But many Bond fans, clearly, who have been fans for decades and have been following the character? Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego. It seems the producers designed this movie to try to appease and pander to every faction out there - except those Bond fans.

    That’s ridiculous. If this film wasn’t meant to appease/pander to Bond fans, why would they toss in all those references that only Bond fans could pick up on?
  • Posts: 2,875
    Zekidk wrote: »
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.

    Vocal minority.

    Need to let the dust settle on this one before making an accurate assessment. Once a new actor steps into the role and a new film is out, then we will start to see the true reflections on this movie. And that's a few years away.

    Brosnan's reign and the likes of DAD may have hailed by many to be great, yet we all know where his reign and that film belongs now. ;)

    Bring on Bond 26 then! ;)

    The most shocking thing about NTTD was that it took 25 films for Bond to cook scrambled eggs. I think the closest we got to that was AVTAK with the quiche.

    :)) Where did he cook scrambled eggs? I must gave missed that part? Surprising too, as that is the exact kind of thing I wanted to see.

    I did like seeing Bond get a shower though. In fact pretty much all the Jamaica scenes were perfect for me.
  • Posts: 3,055
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Correct, most casual movie goers have no problem with Bond dying, that's safe to assume. But many Bond fans, clearly, who have been fans for decades and have been following the character? Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego. It seems the producers designed this movie to try to appease and pander to every faction out there - except those Bond fans.

    That’s ridiculous. If this film wasn’t meant to appease/pander to Bond fans, why would they toss in all those references that only Bond fans could pick up on?
    I think that you are clever enough to know, that they knew, that many/some Bond-fans would be furious about Bond getting knocked off by missiles. Or do you think that their conclusion was "oh...the Bond fans are gonna love this."
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 7,416
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego.

    Comments like these really make me fume! Everything we know about the production indicates the decision to kill Bond was a joint one. The producers wanted it, the director wanted it, the actor wanted it. And it is a highly interesting, unique stylistic choice. Whether you think it was a good decision or not is one thing, but dismissing it as an act to boost Craig's ego is frankly pathetique and very uncalled for!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    edited October 2021 Posts: 6,536
    Zekidk wrote: »
    thetruth wrote: »
    See?

    People have no issue with seeing Bond die.

    A lot of people have an issue with seeing Bond die.

    Evidently, not that much.

    Hmm... IMDB comment section. 19 of the 20 last comments deemed "most helpful" have severe issues with Bond dying. That's the voice of the largest movie community on the internet. It doesn't prove that a majority have issues with Bond dying, not a all, but it does prove that those who do, are voicing their opinion and being heard.

    Vocal minority.

    Need to let the dust settle on this one before making an accurate assessment. Once a new actor steps into the role and a new film is out, then we will start to see the true reflections on this movie. And that's a few years away.

    Brosnan's reign and the likes of DAD may have hailed by many to be great, yet we all know where his reign and that film belongs now. ;)

    Bring on Bond 26 then! ;)

    The most shocking thing about NTTD was that it took 25 films for Bond to cook scrambled eggs. I think the closest we got to that was AVTAK with the quiche.

    :)) Where did he cook scrambled eggs? I must gave missed that part? Surprising too, as that is the exact kind of thing I wanted to see.

    I did like seeing Bond get a shower though. In fact pretty much all the Jamaica scenes were perfect for me.


    It was when Mathilde took a bite and commented “not bad”.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 819
    Finally got to see the film. I don't really have the time at the moment to go into detailed thoughts on the whole film, but I figured I'd comment on the hot topic.

    I was pleasantly surprised to not have Bond's death be the stain on the film for me that I had feared it would be. I'm looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow evening. I'm even beginning to question whether I am still against Bond dying as a plot point in general. EDIT: No, I think I'm still quite against it.

    That being said, I was somehow simultaneously even more disappointed than I had expected to be, seeing how contrived his death was. I agree with nearly everything Calvin Dyson on YouTube had to say about the ending. It did not feel like there was no other way, I felt no reason to rush the missiles and blow Bond up with the island. Bond's death felt in no way a natural ending to the film or to the Craig Bond arc. I think contrived the the best word to describe it. Very poor and lazy writing in my option.

    ...

    "Now, pay attention 007. I've always tried to teach you two things. First, never let them see you bleed."
    - "And the second?"
    "Always have an escape plan."

    Whoops..
  • Posts: 2,875
    jobo wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego.

    Comments like these really make me fume! Everything we know about the production indicates the decision to kill Bond was a joint one. The producers wanted it, the director wanted it, the actor wanted it. And it is a highly interesting, unique stylistic choice. Whether you think it was a good decision or not is one thing, but dismissing it as an act to boost Craig's ego is frankly pathetique and very uncalled for!

    I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Danny Boyle was there having discussions around the script and its ending. It would be interesting to know who in the camp was pushing for Bond's death, and who wasn't.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Correct, most casual movie goers have no problem with Bond dying, that's safe to assume. But many Bond fans, clearly, who have been fans for decades and have been following the character? Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego. It seems the producers designed this movie to try to appease and pander to every faction out there - except those Bond fans.

    That’s ridiculous. If this film wasn’t meant to appease/pander to Bond fans, why would they toss in all those references that only Bond fans could pick up on?
    I think that you are clever enough to know, that they knew, that many/some Bond-fans would be furious about Bond getting knocked off by missiles. Or do you think that their conclusion was "oh...the Bond fans are gonna love this."

    I’m sure they knew a few would be clutching their pearls, but trusted that many fans would actually love it. And so far, I’m seeing a lot more likes than dislikes.
  • Posts: 3,055
    jobo wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Many/some/few/a lot (take your pick), are furious to see him slaughtered for the sake of one actor's ego.

    Comments like these really make me fume! Everything we know about the production indicates the decision to kill Bond was a joint one. The producers wanted it, the director wanted it, the actor wanted it. And it is a highly interesting, unique stylistic choice. Whether you think it was a good decision or not is one thing, but dismissing it as an act to boost Craig's ego is frankly pathetique and very uncalled for!

    I actually agree with you. But the thing is, and I have been misinformed I see, that I read countless of times, that Craig insisted that Bond had to go. Guess they were only rumors, then?
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
    Posts: 538
    Surely the biggest boost to Craig's ego would have been to keep Bond alive and to continue doing the role so he could get all the lavish compliments or whatnot? Admittedly, he was showing his age in this one a bit and I think this was the perfect time to end it. I'm glad they didn't try to fool us into thinking Bond was some young man here. Now Craig goes back to being an actor who used to play James Bond and still has to somewhat carve a career for himself (Though I believe he will do very well in that regard... Just look at Knives Out)

    But, yeah, I don't see how killing off Bond boosts Craig's ego. I think everyone involved in the production knew very well the kind of reaction that we'd have, good and bad.
  • We don't really know if Craig called for Bond to die at the end of the film. If he did, it certainly requires a fair amount of ego to do so. It seems an attempt to add gravitas to an extremely weak and mawkish script.
  • I have no problem with Bond dying. It is the conclusion of his arc from Casino Royale. Bond said in Casino “I understand 00 have a short life expectancy” and Nomi tells him you have nothing to live for. The fact he can’t see Madeline and his daughter again is what is the real heartbreaker and the motivator for his decision. Without those two he has nothing left to live for and I don’t think he could have got off the island. Just accepting his fate was beautiful. Bond will never be killed off again and he shouldn’t. Bond dying was a NTTD exclusive purely because they’re concluding an arc. Give it time and people will be more accepting.
  • Posts: 5,735
    I really need to see this film again in a proper cinema, one that doesn't make me angry for entire viewing because of the constant blurring and darkening.

    I truly believe my views would be made more positive with a clearer viewing, as there's plenty to adore in this film.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    I think the more likely case is that both Craig and the producers saw eye to eye when it came to giving Bond an emotional death. Danny Boyle didn’t agree.

    I do look forward to finding out what exactly Boyle’s script would have been. That will always be the most interesting behind the scenes info for NTTD.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 597
    One thing I'd love, in fact need in my life, is a well researched and unofficial making of book on this film. From conception to release, it would be a story for the ages.
    If Matthew Field or AJ Chowdhury are on this forum crack on, I think you're the people for the job
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 87
    00Heaven wrote: »
    Surely the biggest boost to Craig's ego would have been to keep Bond alive and to continue doing the role so he could get all the lavish compliments or whatnot? Admittedly, he was showing his age in this one a bit and I think this was the perfect time to end it. I'm glad they didn't try to fool us into thinking Bond was some young man here. Now Craig goes back to being an actor who used to play James Bond and still has to somewhat carve a career for himself (Though I believe he will do very well in that regard... Just look at Knives Out)

    But, yeah, I don't see how killing off Bond boosts Craig's ego. I think everyone involved in the production knew very well the kind of reaction that we'd have, good and bad.

    Are we to regret that Bond didn't die in AVTAK just because he was played by RM who was older than Craig in NTTD?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Riding a white swan to Matera
    Posts: 12,436
    Just dropping by to mention that I am not alone. I feel confident there are plenty of longtime, die-hard Bond fans who like this film a lot. A whole lot. And by longtime, I mean older fans like me (age 66 in one month). It's a great Bond movie. It exceeded by expectations. And in case you are wondering, going in I was definitely against Bond dying in a Bond film; though I was not rabid or obsessive about it.

    It's okay there are other longtime, die-hard Bond fans who do not like it. It's okay if there are some fans of every age who don't like it. It is obvious now a lot of people like this movie. There are plenty of us who do appreciate and value NTTD a lot. Anyway, it will be interesting to see stats and more over the next year. Meanwhile, I am looking forward to seeing it for the 3rd time on Sunday. Cheers! B-).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,536
    Just dropping by to mention that I am not alone. I feel confident there are plenty of longtime, die-hard Bond fans who like this film a lot. A whole lot. And by longtime, I mean older fans like me (age 66 in one month). It's a great Bond movie. It exceeded by expectations. And in case you are wondering, going in I was definitely against Bond dying in a Bond film; though I was not rabid or obsessive about it.

    It's okay there are other longtime, die-hard Bond fans who do not like it. It's okay if there are some fans of every age who don't like it. It is obvious now a lot of people like this movie. There are plenty of us who do appreciate and value NTTD a lot. Anyway, it will be interesting to see stats and more over the next year. Meanwhile, I am looking forward to seeing it for the 3rd time on Sunday. Cheers! B-).

    A lady your age asked me and my cousin at the IMAX if we liked the film. She was so giddy about it that she stuck to the end for the “James Bond Will Return”.
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