NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • Posts: 55
    TripAces wrote: »
    007007x wrote: »
    Weird realization: Mr. White gets the last laugh. He’s somewhat responsible for Bond’s death

    I don't know if he does. Given that his daughter was the only thing he seemed to care about, her grief is likely the last thing he would have wanted.

    I mean, he is technically responsible for Safin. Had he originally killed him, there wouldn’t have been NTTD. It’s almost like an unintentional chain reaction of events.
  • Posts: 526
    Okay, this is really bugging me, please help! Didn’t Bond have Kevlar or bullet proof material when he went into Safin’s lair? Don’t see how he would have gotten shot with that on.
  • EinoRistoSiniahoEinoRistoSiniaho Oulu, Finland
    edited October 2021 Posts: 73
    007007x wrote: »
    Weird realization: Mr. White gets the last laugh. He’s somewhat responsible for Bond’s death
    I would say it was Blofeld who got the last laugh. It was him who ordered Mr. White to kill Safin's parents. And Safin killed Bond. So Blofeld won by inadvertently creating Bond's killer.
  • Posts: 526
    Oh just a complete aside but if your depressed after watching NTTD, can thoroughly recommend FREE GUY, watched at my sisters, think on Disney+, brilliant, funny upbeat movie with a happy ending just right for post pandemic viewing.

    My go to is Sanford and Son. And from what I’ve read, I’m going to need it.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    If you guys are so depressed and devastated about this film I suggest stop writing about it inhere as well. Plus you still have 20 films to enjoy, no need to some Ryan Reynolds crap lol.
  • Posts: 526
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys are so depressed and devastated about this film I suggest stop writing about it inhere as well. Plus you still have 20 films to enjoy, no need to some Ryan Reynolds crap lol.

    You may be right, but it’s easier said than done. We all have different emotions about this, and I guess we will express them in a way that’s best for us. The Ryan Reynolds reference I’m clueless about. Never watch the guy.
  • GunnerWhoGunnerWho Scotland
    Posts: 6
    I saw the movie and I enjoyed it. I wish we got to see more of Paloma but that entire scene was amazing. I liked the gun barrell in the movie. I thought Lea Sedoux was amazing especially compared to the last movie. I understand why we got that ending and i hope they leave it open to everyones imagination if he survived or not. Daniel Craig performance as Bond was great better than his Spectre performance. The plot is not the best but it's solid compared to other actors last movies. Safin for me is just another character in the movie for me. I don't understand his motivations. I wish M would have been the bad guy, a twist villain of some sort. I don't have a rating but I thinks it's good.
  • BelinusBelinus Scotland
    Posts: 48
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys are so depressed and devastated about this film I suggest stop writing about it inhere as well. Plus you still have 20 films to enjoy, no need to some Ryan Reynolds crap lol.

    I get what you are saying (I think) but I joined this forum to get it off my chest and talk it through. I am devastated about the film but would rather discuss it than sit in a room feeling sorry for myself. I appreciate that lots of people have loved the film and for them, they don’t understand why people didn’t and it must be frustrating to read people’s comments criticising it. Similarly, I’ve read all the comments praising the ending and I don’t get why people could think it was an appropriate way to finish. At the moment I will struggle to enjoy any of the Bond films knowing what happens in NTTD so that’s not an option. I don’t understand the Ryan Reynolds bit - sorry.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Ryan Reynolds. Deadpool. Pretty damn funny OR not your cup of tea. ;)
  • BelinusBelinus Scotland
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    Ryan Reynolds. Deadpool. Pretty damn funny OR not your cup of tea. ;)

    Thanks. I’ve heard of it but never watched it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Zany. Fast dialog. Sarcasm. I quite liked it. :)
  • GunnerWhoGunnerWho Scotland
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    Anyone think Paloma will get a spin off
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    It will be talked about by fans; but no, I do not think so.
  • BelinusBelinus Scotland
    Posts: 48
    I thought she was great but I wouldn’t think so. If there are any spin offs with the move to Amazon I’d imaging it would be adventures involving other 00 agents.
  • matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys are so depressed and devastated about this film I suggest stop writing about it inhere as well. Plus you still have 20 films to enjoy, no need to some Ryan Reynolds crap lol.

    Why the "lol" when you are serious Matt?
  • Posts: 207
    Why does it seem that the fans who enjoyed the film are getting so defensive with the fans who are expressing their disappointment about it? I’ve noticed this on multiple Bond discussion platforms. The point of a forum is for a fan to express their likes and dislikes. Both sides have valid reasons to like or dislike it.

    I have a good friend whose favorite Bond movie is DAD. His second least favorite is FRWL. I have never once made a snarky comment or accused him of not being a true fan.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 611
    Belinus wrote: »
    I thought she was great but I wouldn’t think so. If there are any spin offs with the move to Amazon I’d imaging it would be adventures involving other 00 agents.

    Can see this happening. I know NTTD was completed before the Amazon deal but for them to build a profitable 'Bondiverse' as I fear they might, Nomi could turn out to be a happy accident. Especially as she seems to have been well received so far.
    Although we've seen several 00's over the years we've never really followed one on an adventure. Now that door is open all bets are off for me.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,343
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys are so depressed and devastated about this film I suggest stop writing about it inhere as well. Plus you still have 20 films to enjoy, no need to some Ryan Reynolds crap lol.

    Why the "lol" when you are serious Matt?

    The lol was just about the suggestion of watching that silly Reynold picture as a medicine. Better to watch some other previous Bond film to restore some kind of good mood, imo.
  • KronsteenKronsteen Stockholm
    Posts: 783
    NoWiseman wrote: »
    Bueno1694 wrote: »
    Daniel Craig as Bond is my hero (yes, I’m 45, you can laugh).

    Just signed in only to respond to this. I know exactly, what you mean. I'm in a bad mood since 3 days now after watching the film. Once you've seen it, it sticks with you. For gods sake i'm a 51 year old man and i feel kind of traumatized. No movie in the world should do this to me. I'm sad, frustrated and angry at the same time. This character and the love for the movies accompanied my life for over 40 years now. But as of now i don't want to see a Bond movie ever again. Believe me, it's rubbish to feel this way.

    I feel exactly the same, and it's so weird! I never ever in my wildest dreams imagined I could even react like this to a Bond movie. I love Fleming and I enjoy the movies which follows the books closely the best, but I still consider myself a fairly open minded Bond fan. I can enjoy Moonraker, Octopussy and Tomorrow Never Dies everyday of the week and love reading the Gardner books over and over.

    But somehow No Time to Die was too much to comprehend! I had a horrible time in the cinema... I was left in a state of sadness, confusion, anger, emptiness. After the first viewing of Die Another Day I could laugh it off, but now I didn't even want to be a Bond fan anymore. I couldn't laugh at it, I couldn't cry at it. Suddenly the whole Craig era felt bitter. Even Casino Royale, which I adore, was ruined. I didn't want to see NTTD again, which has never happened before after a premere. I didn't even want to see any other Bond movie for that matter!

    I know I will recover from the blow, I know I will go into the cinema to watch the movie again, and I know I will love Dr. No when I see it again. But the feeling when leaving the cinema after NTTD will probably stick with me forever and I sincerely hope as few Bond fans as possible out there ever have to experience anything like it. It will take some time to process it and move on, but the only thing I wish for is that I one day can accept NTTD. Can I even like it? Who knows...? Time will tell.
  • LizWLizW England
    Posts: 30
    matt_u wrote: »
    The simple question is 'What else could they done?'

    I remember reading a rumour somewhere that Danny Boyle wanted to end his film with Bond meeting the Queen and getting a knighthood. That scene, especially with the Queen playing herself like in the Olympics short film would have been an all-time crowd pleaser.

    That would’ve been just silly. Thank God they got rid of Boyle.

    HM is quoted in Marie Claire this week as saying that she has watched all the Bond films and still re-watches the earlier ones - the later ones are rather loud for her, apparently.

    I'm now wondering if Her Majesty is furiously typing on here under a pseudonym.

  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    GunnerWho wrote: »
    Anyone think Paloma will get a spin off

    It would be very "comic book" logic of them to continue the Craig continuity in which Bond and Felix are dead and Nomi and Paloma take their place with the MI6 cast staying in place in say direct-to-streaming films for Amazon Prime and a new James Bond continuity with a completely new cast as the cinematic universe. Two reasons (out of a possible 100) why this will not happen:
    1. It's too confusing for audiences. If there ever is a split in continuities, they would more likely do it in different time periods to make totally clear that these are different things.
    2. This cast is just way too stacked and expensive to be some kind of less prestigeous side-project. And even if you drop Whishaw, Fiennes, Kinnear and Harris (or keep only one as the MI6 contact) Lynch and de Armas are rising stars that probably wouldn't sign on for that type of thing.
  • It would be very "comic book" logic of them to continue the Craig continuity in which Bond and Felix are dead and Nomi and Paloma take their place with the MI6 cast staying in place in say direct-to-streaming films for Amazon Prime and a new James Bond continuity with a completely new cast as the cinematic universe. Two reasons (out of a possible 100) why this will not happen:
    1. It's too confusing for audiences. If there ever is a split in continuities, they would more likely do it in different time periods to make totally clear that these are different things.
    2. This cast is just way too stacked and expensive to be some kind of less prestigeous side-project. And even if you drop Whishaw, Fiennes, Kinnear and Harris (or keep only one as the MI6 contact) Lynch and de Armas are rising stars that probably wouldn't sign on for that type of thing.

    Those issues could be solved easily if no MI6 characters returned in the Paloma spin-off (which is exactly what I would want anyway) and if the Paloma spin-off were only one movie released in around late 2023, years before the next Bond film.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
    Posts: 630
    JB770721 wrote: »
    My take aways from the movie

    Yet another Craig era film where they superglue in as many scenes from previous bond films, for example the scene where he tips the car onto Nash and says this is for Lighter almost identical to FYEO car tip scene. Im surprised the film needed that many writers and re writes considering it just takes parts from previous movies and mashes them in even taking music from previous films with 2 tracks from OHMSS. There's giving a nod to the past and fans and then there is just blatant copy and paste.

    Interestingly the best films such as Skyfall don't have that amount of past nod 'baggage' aside from the DB5 scene.

    His watch has an EMP to wipeout an entire floor of a super bunkers electronics but not some tiny nanobots on his face?

    One of the weakest bond villains, who at times looks like he's so weak he can barely hold up his own body weight is able to finally put multiple bullets into Bond a feat which no one else has managed.

    The seminal moment in Bond/movie history they kill him off and its preceded by a quick 2min scene in a tiny dimly lit room where the clink a glass and a min later Madeline drives off credits roll, so in less than 5mins they wrap it all up. The cynic in me thinks it was all tacked on for 'buzz'

    I think the movie would have been better and created a bit of 'controversy' if this era Bond had ended the film sitting at the kitchen table in Norway peeling Apples for Mathilde. After all the tragedy this Bond finally gets something to work. He's not driving off into the sunset with a dame or even dying, but he now has something he lost -Family. The next film would move on and leave this era.

    All the rumblings from comments in the press from studio people for the next era films are a more 'relevent updated' Bond. So i'm guessing he'll be on Instagram checkin out crib of the bitcoin villain he's after, also following the latest Omega watch influencer while sitting in the green cafe ordering his Kale salad waiting on his electric car to charge lol

    A part from the fact that the EMP power is limited, as you clearly see like twice in the movie, do you think it is safe or smart to use EMPs on all your body?
  • MI6 HQ posted an interesting tweet yesterday: "The headlines surrounding Boyle’s departure are the wrong way around. He didn’t agree to doing something they wanted to do. So they found someone else willing to go along with it." https://twitter.com/jamesbondlive/status/1444728273531850755
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,036
    MI6 HQ posted an interesting tweet yesterday: "The headlines surrounding Boyle’s departure are the wrong way around. He didn’t agree to doing something they wanted to do. So they found someone else willing to go along with it." https://twitter.com/jamesbondlive/status/1444728273531850755

    Yep. Rumour at the time was either Boyle wanted to kill Bond, or the producers did, and the other disagreed. Now we know which one it was.

    See:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/mar/21/danny-boyle-says-script-dispute-made-him-quit-bond-25

    Rumours of contention included a suggestion that Boyle and Hodge wanted to kill off the Daniel Craig 007, and that Boyle wanted the little known Polish actor Tomasz Kot, star of Cold War, to play the villain.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 984
    I think the biggest takeaway, is that the climax has produced a visceral reaction, be it good or bad, in the fanbase.

    If that's what EON wanted, then they have it.
  • Posts: 295
    I'm making a prediction. My guess is Eon, specifically Barbara Broccoli, decided to appease Daniel Craig and agreed to let Bond die. Danny Boyle disagreed and left.

    NTTD is released. James Bond is dead. Daniel Craig has left the role.

    However...

    My prediction is there will be sufficient backlash from fans and Eon will do a u-turn. Bond 26 will feature Craig's Bond (played by a new actor). A flashback will show the missile strike landed in front of Bond and the blast wave pushed him away from the area. Bond was scarred but miraculously survived.

    Several months later, Bond is in a hospital in a third world country, maybe suffering with loss of memory. His scars heal and he looks like the new actor. A temporary antidote is used to suppress the nanobots in Bond's blood stream. At the end of the film, back in Q division, a comprehensive vaccine is injected into Bond to eradicate the nanobots.

    The plot is Bond is a freelance assassin and the new enemy hire him to help topple a third world leader and his regime. MI6 discover Bond is alive and send some 00s on a retrieve Bond mission. Maybe Nomi is the lead 00 agent.

    I think this is the best way to go forward with the franchise. You keep Bond alive, (yes the flashback survival scene may be far fetched but it's a Bond film, anything is possible - look at Die Another Day!), you switch Bond from hero working for Great Britain to lone independent assassin for hire so Bond's morality is questioned, and you can have an exciting quest to find and retrieve Bond plot.

    I honestly feel this is the only way forward because killing off Bond is too damaging to the franchise and too divisive to the fanbase.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,760
    Consider this as an attempt to formulate some thoughts:

    POSITIVE FEELINGS
    - I like that apparently OHMSS and the Dalton films are looked upon with fondness these days. They are my favourites and when I became a fan in the 90’s I felt like an alien for loving them. Good to see that has changed.
    - I’m a petrolhead, I couldn’t help but notice a stunning Maserati Quattroporte IV (a nod to Sanchez’s car?) and an even prettier Lancia Thesis in the PTS.
    - The action scenes were all great for my money. Basically Bond films are pretty much the only action films without swordplay that I watch so I’m not aware if they were better or worse than MI or John Wick. For me they worked.
    - Surely there is a lot of fan service (OHMSS score, DN title sequence, TLD’s car) I like that, even though I’m not sure yet if this romance deserved THAT song. Then again, I don’t think any romance in any film does except Bond/Tracy.
    - Thought the movie looked great, especially in Matera. Those scenes were exceptionally stylish.
    - Great title sequence, with the sinking DB5 and imagery that reminded me of Greek mythology, which I love.
    - Léa Seydoux! Loved her in SP, love her here. I’d imagine one could fall for her. I buy the romance, even though, as I said earlier, don’t quite know yet if WHATTITW is appropriate here. On another note, love she spoke a lot of French in this one. J’aime bien!
    - Ana de Armas! Enough has been said, most people agree she was awesome here, so do I.
    - Horror film references! PTS straight from Halloween, Blofeld conversation feels like Manhunter. I can surely appreciate that.
    - Maybe a bit more controversial, I liked Safin. No top-tier villain, but not bad either.

    NEUTRAL FEELINGS
    - Gunbarrel. This one I didn’t mind, but pleeeasssseee give us a traditional one next time.

    NEGATIVE FEELINGS
    - Let’s get the big ones out of the way. I don’t mind Bond becoming a father. I don’t mind depressing endings. But chill out with all the cheesy dialogue. Watch a European film and learn. Sad endings only work when they’re handled with dignity, with elegance. Silence says more than words could ever say. You’ve got good actors here, use them, use their expressions and keep Hans in tone too. I disliked the lack of subtlety here. That is my biggest gripe with the film.
    - The score. Hans Zimmer is an ok composer, but he’s a bit bombastic for me, while his music also lacks personality. I’m sure that works for some people, for me it feels like a score composed by Instagram algorithms.
    - Please make Bond a bon vivant again. I want him enjoying the finer things in life, I really want a diner scene and a wine comment next time.
    - More than anything I’m worried where they’ll go from now. I liked most of the film, and I don’t mind the Craig era being a bit different than what we’ve had before. On the other hand I’d love to go back to a few regular, more traditional, spy missions. I love OHMSS and LTK and they were shaking things up too, that only works though when there is something to mix up in the first place.

    FINAL THOUGHTS (at the moment)
    I liked NTTD, although I didn’t like how cheesy the ending was. I’m also worried what will come next.
  • BelinusBelinus Scotland
    Posts: 48
    The film has certainly generated much debate. They must have known that the ending would divide people and chose to take the risk. Whether this will impact future success remains to be seen.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    I love the fact that time is the real villain of this film: I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.

    The title makes this notion perfectly clear as well.

    The title in the end sounds like an attempt to exorcise death too. His legacy, both in the form of his stories and his daughter, they all live. Forever.

    What a beautiful film.
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