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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Revelator wrote: »
    I would say YOLT has the most evocative lyrics.

    "You only live twice, or so it seems
    One life for yourself, and one for your dreams"

    Our dream life often feels like a separate existence. The limitless of the imagination means you really can live twice. But as we will see, some dreams can come true.

    'You drift through the years and life seems tame
    Till one dream appears and love is its name"

    You are dead for much of your normal life, until you stumble upon love. And since love is the only dream that can come true, it is truly a new life.

    "And love is a stranger who'll beckon you on
    Don't think of the danger or the stranger is gone"

    Carpe Diem. Yes, love can be terrifying and dangerous, but if you ponder that, you will hesitate and lose the stranger who can give you new life.

    "This dream is for you, so pay the price
    Make one dream come true, you only live twice"

    Nothing is free. Anything worthwhile will require effort and sacrifice. To live again you must endure the terror and risks of love. Love is a dream that will come true and bring you new life. You must take it, because it's the only second life you can get.

    Excellent assessment. Much better than I could do. My favourite Bond song. The film not so much...
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I fell in love with YOLT again when they used it in the final scene of Mad Men season five.

    Yes I really loved the song all over again. Don Draper was a Bond fan as his second wife mentioned he read the stories and I believe they referenced Bond during the series a few different times.
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 683
    YOLT have too much repetitivity : the first verse is original, but after that the second one is repeated, the third also. It's lazy, and beside the lyrics give another explaination of the title that the one of the novel.

    We Have All The Time In The World : too much repetitiveness : lazy writting.

    Diamonds Are Forever : very good lyrics, who makes sens (and double-sens ; far better than YOLT et OHMSS)

    Nobody Does It Better : same than DAF.

    Yo know my name : seems to lack of clarity (whose name it is ? who is the sing ? Bond ?). I'm not english but the "you yourself" seems wrong, there is other phrases that are obscure.

    DAF and Nobody does it, seems by far more elaborate and have lyrics who makes more sens.

    Repetition in lyrics and music is essential if you want your song to be as memorable as possible. Hence why pop music is often repetitious. Plus I don’t see how the simple, direct, unadorned lyrics of ‘We Have All The Time In The World’ don’t make sense. As I elaborated upon above, the words are so universal, it’s easy for virtually anyone to not just understand but relate to.

    YUeah and it's the job of the refrain/chorus, but I am a supporter that refrain/chorus must but separated by verse between them. But In these 2 song, there are 2 chorus (one too many in my opinion). The amount of chorus and verse are disproportionate, that's what I dont like in them.

    I mean, look the blue line on the image below, when you arrive at it, the song have no interest further in term of lyrics, nothing new to discover in the last 33%.

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    The lyrics of We Have All The Time In The World makes sens, I was talking about you Kow my name.



  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    We Have All the Time in the World.

    The irony of the title is, of course, very poignant in the context of the film (OHMSS), and from all accounts, that partially explains why John Barry campaigned for Louis Armstrong. Armstrong, an older gentleman – who didn’t really have all that much more time – could really tense out that irony from the lyrics. (*)

    And that also explains my vote. There is an old saying that a for any given individual, the meaning of a song changes as you get older. And as I have gotten older, the sentiment of the song really hits home – more and more, with each passing day.

    A second choice would have been YOLT – for many of the reasons sited by the prior posters. But, WHATTITW really speaks to me.

    A good discussion, and excellent supporting points made by everyone.

    (*) I’m aware, however, that younger artists have covered the song, and in it has become a kind of wedding standard since the mid 1990’s.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited August 2020 Posts: 3,201
    thedove wrote: »
    The voting has slowed so I flap my wings and return to the stage to present the Bondie to best quip after a kill. The Bondie goes to "I think he got the point" from Thunderball. It received 9 votes!

    Happy to read of it's victory!
    thedove wrote: »
    Lets hear it from the songbirds on the academy. What song has the best lyrics?

    I'm a pretty old school fan if it were the song's tune in the running than anything by John Barry would probably get my vote. However, I going to buck my usual preferences here and vote for the most modern option for lyrics in this instance:

    You Know My Name lyrics by Chris Cornell

    It embodies the lean, mean toughness that they were going for in CR.
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Thunderball is without question has the wittiest Bond dialogue of all, IMO.

    No doubt TB's quite good in the dialogue category but my vote in that arena goes to DAF. The 1971 Bond film isn't exactly loved very much around here but I think its dialogue is probably its greatest strength.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I find this one really hard to judge: I almost don't have an opinion on song lyrics. All I know is I'm not keen on Don Black 'teasing and tantalising' all over the shop! :)
    No doubt TB's quite good in the dialogue category buy my vote in that arena goes to DAF. The 1971 Bond film isn't exactly loved very much around here but I think its dialogue is probably its greatest strength.


    Yeah agreed!
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    This is a seriously hard choice... and I'd usually go for We Have All The Time In The World but I think I'm going to go for You Know My Name because it's a song that to me embodies Bond in Casino Royale.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It still annoys me a bit that someone on CBn at the time insisted the line was ‘the coldness burns through my veins’ and that that made more sense!
    :)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited August 2020 Posts: 3,733
    Daniel Craig era try someyhing new with predicting / tell the future with maintitles, lyrics also have more then one sometimes even three meanigs. One of my favorite is lyric ''The coldest blood runs through my veins'' of you know my name is made visible in maintitle of Skyfall. Fool me once, fool me twice is my favorite from nttd.

    But i vote for You only live twice.

    I think FYEO and Yolt realy set things for later songs or movies.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited August 2020 Posts: 3,561
    Wow every nominee has received a vote and dear @Max_The_Parrot has even added a write in vote! (which shall be counted!) I think it's time for my to warble out the Bondie for best lyrics...it goes to..."We Have All The Time In The World" lyrics by Hal David!

    The academy voted the following:
    • You Only Live Twice...7 votes
    • Nobody Does It Better...4 votes
    • Diamonds are Forever...4 votes
    • You Know My Name...5 votes
    • A View to a Kill...1 fine feathered vote!

    We shall now proceed with the next....oh sorry excuse me while I consult with this stage hand....that's preposterous! You're fired! Ladies and Gentlemen it seems in a previous vote we never declared a winner. This is rather embarrassing. But I am afraid the good friends at Zorin Industries have instructed us to open up a new vote and wipe the slate clean! So we bring to you the Klebbie for worst actor in an ally role! The nominees are:
    • John Terry as Felix Leiter in TLD
    • Norman Burton as Felix Leiter in DAF
    • John Moreno as Luigi in FYEO
    • David Yip as Chuck Lee in AVTAK
    • Soon Tek-Oh as Lt. Hip in TMWTGG


      To be clear the academy is to consider the actor and his lack of acting skills. Not the way the character is written or even what the character has to do. Who among the nominees is the worst actor!

      For the second time, and this time a winner shall be declared, who gets the kick to the shins for the worst actor in an ally supporting role?
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited August 2020 Posts: 1,053
    Terry... I believe John is his first name.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Terry... I believe John is his first name.

    Noted thank you, my mind was elsewhere.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Of these, John Terry.

    Why is Norman Burton on this list? I think he's one of the better Leiters. At least he gives it back to Connery and is not his "lap dog."
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,125
    John Terry's here to steal the victory celebrations.
    echo wrote: »
    Of these, John Terry.

    Why is Norman Burton on this list? I think he's one of the better Leiters. At least he gives it back to Connery and is not his "lap dog."

    He's not bad but he ends up one of the blander Leiters I think. And there's plenty of competition!
    :)

    I think Soon Tek-Oh is the one who doesn't deserve to be there: he's pretty charismatic in it I think and gets quite a bit to do.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    John Terry
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
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    Norman Burton as Leiter. I think he's the worst in the series. However I'm not a fan of any of them besides Jack Lord and Wright.
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    mtm wrote: »
    John Terry's here to steal the victory celebrations.
    echo wrote: »
    Of these, John Terry.

    Why is Norman Burton on this list? I think he's one of the better Leiters. At least he gives it back to Connery and is not his "lap dog."

    He's not bad but he ends up one of the blander Leiters I think. And there's plenty of competition!
    :)

    I think Soon Tek-Oh is the one who doesn't deserve to be there: he's pretty charismatic in it I think and gets quite a bit to do.

    I'll remind you that you are supposed to evaluate the acting performances only. How much people "get to do" should not be part of the equation.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,125
    jobo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    John Terry's here to steal the victory celebrations.
    echo wrote: »
    Of these, John Terry.

    Why is Norman Burton on this list? I think he's one of the better Leiters. At least he gives it back to Connery and is not his "lap dog."

    He's not bad but he ends up one of the blander Leiters I think. And there's plenty of competition!
    :)

    I think Soon Tek-Oh is the one who doesn't deserve to be there: he's pretty charismatic in it I think and gets quite a bit to do.

    I'll remind you that you are supposed to evaluate the acting performances only. How much people "get to do" should not be part of the equation.

    Maybe, but he does what he gets to do very well (well, he's perhaps not an expert karate fighter!), and maybe they gave him more because he's pretty good.
  • The John Terry Award should go to John Terry, naturally.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Hamburg, near the Atlantic Hotel
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    I must admit that none of the contestants left an impression on me thorough enough to pass judgment without having to re-watch their scenes...which for the same reason I won't do.
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,174
    I'd say John Terry's going to run away with this competition...only that would involve too much energy for this performance. So it's John Terry sleepwalking his way through to the win...
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    Ranking the performances only in fact makes this very complicated. Some of the roles of the nominees are so inactive and their screen time so limited that it becomes quite difficult to actually make a reasonable assessment of their acting contribution. John Terry sure leaves no impression in what is two scenes, and... I don´t know...? Three lines of dialogue? Or is it four? Then again, what more could he really have accomplished anyway, and how do you even compare him to someone like Lt. Hip who actually features reasonably prominently? The same goes with David Yip. He sure is forgettable in his short time on screen, but at the same time I wouldn´t say he does anything particularly wrong either...

    No, based on the criteria, I think it is obvious that the title should go to someone who had the potential to make a mark, yet failed to do so. Cec Linder and Rik van Nutter would have been valid candidates in this sense as they both have quite considerable ammounts of screentime, yet fail to come across as more than, lets say; Bond´s less popular and succesful cousin who, out of nothing but pitty, gets to tag along on his adventures. I suppose Norman Burton goes into that same category, so he gets my vote.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Literally none of these guys are bad actors.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Not quite sure where I am, but my heart is definitely somewhere in Italy or San Marino
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    Literally none of these guys are bad actors.

    I agree, can't vote for any of them this time.
  • BennyBenny ...OctobennyAdministrator, Moderator
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    John Terry for the win!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,125
    jobo wrote: »
    Ranking the performances only in fact makes this very complicated. Some of the roles of the nominees are so inactive and their screen time so limited that it becomes quite difficult to actually make a reasonable assessment of their acting contribution. John Terry sure leaves no impression in what is two scenes, and... I don´t know...? Three lines of dialogue? Or is it four? Then again, what more could he really have accomplished anyway, and how do you even compare him to someone like Lt. Hip who actually features reasonably prominently? The same goes with David Yip. He sure is forgettable in his short time on screen, but at the same time I wouldn´t say he does anything particularly wrong either...

    I think the only thing you could say he does wrong is he can't do the accent very convincingly, but then equally I think he's reasonably engaging. He's not Pat Macnee or anything, but as you say: Rick Van Nutter leaves absolutely no trace, and I think Yip does a bit better than that. But then as I said a few days ago: Terence Young seems weirdly uninterested in most of the incidental characters in Thunderball and seems to refuse to let them make any impact at all - Vargas, Pinder, Paula: they get all but ignored by the camera. Who's that guy who helps Domino at the end? Even she doesn't know.
  • j_w_pepper wrote: »
    YOLT's lyrics are a classic example of those concoctions of nonsense that came up when a theme had to quote the movie title to show it belonged to the film - whose title in itself didn't really make sense, either. The YOLT lyrics make no more sense than those of GF or TB or (gasp!) TMWTGG. I do think that YOLT is among the top three (or so) Bond themes, but the lyrics are not contributing to that.

    I'll vote for WHATTITW...while acknowledging the lyricist did not need to make up quotes about or rhymes for a nonsensical movie title, but was allowed to write straightforward lyrics.

    Goldfinger, Thunderball, and TMWTGG all have extremely direct, straightforward lyrics, to a fault. They're not good lyrics (well TB is okay) but I'm not sure what you mean in suggesting they don't make sense.

    "He's like this and does that" is about as direct and prose-like as you can get.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I rather admire the View To A Kill lyrics for being entirely nonsensical but just sounding good.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
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    John Terry just barely loses to Burton in my estimation.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    John Terry, by a wide margin.

    "You mean this is a put-up job?"
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