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Seriously now- which is worse, TWINE or DAD

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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,506
    DAD for me i'm afraid.
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
    Posts: 1,021
    yes. and even worse than Tanya Roberts. MAYBE when i give DAD another view I might agree that Halle Berry is worse than Denise (because its a JB film I can even watch the less than great ones again!)
    BAIN123 wrote:
    nobodydoesitbetter wrote:
    DAD is most definately the worst. However - TWINE does have in my opinion some of the most dull action sequences in a Bond film sans the opening boat chase and also the worst performance by a Bond girl in Denise Richards.

    You really think she's worse than Halle Berry?

  • dchantrydchantry
    Posts: 278
    Borremann wrote:
    One thing that really bothered me was the editing on DAD

    Compared to QOS, its a masterpiece of editing.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    nobodydoesitbetter wrote:
    yes. and even worse than Tanya Roberts. MAYBE when i give DAD another view I might agree that Halle Berry is worse than Denise (because its a JB film I can even watch the less than great ones again!)
    BAIN123 wrote:
    nobodydoesitbetter wrote:
    DAD is most definately the worst. However - TWINE does have in my opinion some of the most dull action sequences in a Bond film sans the opening boat chase and also the worst performance by a Bond girl in Denise Richards.

    You really think she's worse than Halle Berry?

    The thing that bugs me about Halle is that she thinks it's HER film. It's like she's treating it as a preview for her spin off adventure. ("Hey I'm Halle aren't I amazing").

    Denise Richards may have been a crappy actress but at least she stayed in the sidelines and let Bond take centre stage.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    UlyssesGamma_Hose wrote:
    TWINE has absolutely amateur action sequences.

    Back in 1999, when TWINE came out, we had the lightsaber battle from The Phantom Menace and the entire of The Matrix to show how thrilling action scenes could be.

    And then TWINE, which as a James Bond film should be setting the standards in that regard, came out....and was just embarassing.

    TWINE has it's strengths. but as an action movie, it's woeful.

    But TWINE did have the famous walking stick gun, used in the novel 'Casino Royale'. And we know that not Le Chiffre's henchman did use that one, but Zukovsky did. Moreover, I found the torture scene a nice teaser towards the 'real deal torture scene' in 'Casino Royale'.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    edited October 2012 Posts: 2,635
    DAD is worst imo. TWINE can't even be compared to it. It is a great movie.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    It's close. Twine wins on dullness but DAD is the worst.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    ^ Agree with Getafix
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited October 2012 Posts: 3,494
    TWINE is better if for nothing else than Sophie Marceau. And since QOS was brought up, that blows both of these entries out of the water due to a far superior Bond in the role. Plus quite a few other things.
  • dchantrydchantry
    Posts: 278
    TWINE just started on Sky. this thread had me curious so I've recorded it for later...Yes I have the DVD, but who watches them lol.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    TWINE starts well with the Thames chase then its a slow slide ending in a messy splodge about 3/4 of the way through.

    DAD is crapola starting with the gunbarrel and is a weeping pus set of pustule ridden limbs all the way to the end scene.
  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore
    edited October 2012 Posts: 643
    Both are poor and in my bottom 4.

    TWINE has amazing villains, especially Elektra. But it's just weak. We see the rise of the Dench agenda, muscling in to the series with her "great" acting and the dreaded word of Bonddom..."Character Development".

    DAD has grown on me with subsequent viewings of it and TND (Brosnan's worst imo) and the release of QOS.

    But yea, TWINE will always win over DAD, TND and QOS
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    With TWINE I always like some of the early stuff. As Haphazard points out in his review series the picture of Bernard Lee (which I'm ashamed to say I had not even noticed until I saw his series) was a more classy "homage" than 95% of the stuff in DAD.

    Also Dench's line "Shadows stay infront or behind...never on top" alone makes TWINE superior.
  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore
    Posts: 643
    BAIN123 wrote:
    With TWINE I always like some of the early stuff. As Haphazard points out in his review series the picture of Bernard Lee (which I'm ashamed to say I had not even noticed until I saw his series) was a more classy "homage" than 95% of the stuff in DAD.

    Have no idea but would be nice if Skyfall had a tiny tribute to Desmond Llewelyn in the same way. Nothing in your face, just a tiny bit of class.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    I don't mind Dench being used more in TWINE because back then, it was different. It seems boring now since we've had it so much since.

    I don't get why people have such huge problems with Richards. Her job was to look hot and get saved by Bond, and she did it fairly well. How is she any worse than Roberts, etc?

    And don't give me that "she was playing a scientist!" crap. It's a film, the way some people talk you'd think they wanted a real one cast.

    Renard could've been better but he was a decent enough villian, and Elektra was great. The final fight was a bit of a let down but most of the action is good, the thames chase especially (best PTS of the series imo). There's one action scene I don't like, and that's when Bond slides away from the fireball on the chains when it probably would've been faster to run.

    Zukofsky is back and he's just as good as he was in Goldeneye, the locations are cool, the story is a bit messy but still better than lots of Bond films (cough, MR, QOS and more, cough).

    I think TWINE is one of the most underrated Bond films.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    I think TWINE is one of the most underrated Bond films.

    I wouldn't go far. It has it's fair share of problems but it has some good moments. I think it's an average Bond film, not the worst but certainly not the best either.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    DAD for sure. At least TWINE is mediocre throughout with flashes of cool whereas DAD starts off strong then self-destructs as soon as Bond goes to Iceland.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
    Posts: 1,146
    Aziz_Fekkesh wrote:
    DAD for sure. At least TWINE is mediocre throughout with flashes of cool whereas DAD starts off strong then self-destructs as soon as Bond goes to Iceland.


    I completely agree. The first act of DAD actually is compelling but then explodes with stupidity, while TWINE is just a feast of mediocrity with a few fun things. TO be honest, I think that a better director would have made TWINE a better film.

    I've written this before, but Bond has the gun on the bad guy halfway through the film and does not kill him, and the audience I saw him with shouted, shoot him! lol
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Definitely Die Another Day, no questions here. While I do actually enjoy DAD and rank it higher than most people would, it just doesn't have what TWINE has. TWINE has a much better main villain and henchman, as well as a better, more story-driven plot that doesn't run the risk of becoming too outlandish. It has also has more impact to it, in regards to scenes like Renard's introduction, the confrontation with Elektra in her room, the confrontation with Renard in the nuclear underground facility, and Bond murdering Elektra. Those scenes speak more volumes than really any of DAD's, except for possibly M and Bond on the hospital ship and Miranda Frost revealing herself as the traitor. Also, action-wise, I think TWINE is more entertaining. DAD's action is awesome, don't get me wrong, but TWINE handles it better, I've always thought.
  • googlemonkeygooglemonkey
    Posts: 32
    Definitely Die Another Day, some really good action scenes. But with this scene

  • googlemonkeygooglemonkey
    Posts: 32
    The famous CGI Surfing moment.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    @googlemonkey: Ah yes, the legend! Such a shame. For all of DAD's greatness in many areas, this was without a doubt one of the undisputed low points. Why could they not just have Bond go from escaping the biodome to immediately getting in the Vanquish, and having the car chase with Zao? Not only is that simpler, but it also makes better sense!
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    Somebody should do an edit like that for Youtube- good call
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    googlemonkey wrote:
    Definitely Die Another Day, some really good action scenes. But with this scene


    Even Brosnan laugh about it in the Everything or Nothing documentary.
  • ChangChang
    Posts: 107
    DAD, TWINE, GE, TND all equally awful.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    At least TWINE, GN and TND don't have that final insult to Moneypenny. The VR training is plain stupid but that last one is just a spit in the face of Lois Maxwell and her legacy.
  • TrueMiracle85TrueMiracle85
    Posts: 300
    DAD is worse in my opinion. Actually, TWINE is probably my favorite of the Brosnan films. Denise Richards may not be the best Bond girl, but Sophie Marceau makes up for that.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    I thought this was a new thread at first glance but it has been updated recently

    This is an asinine debate over which is the better movie. The World Is Not Enough is Brosnan's best Bond film, Die Another Day is his worst, although Tomorrow Never Dies does come close. Best pre credits sequence, good theme song, at least in terms of that awful crap that Madonna gave us, decent villains, exciting set pieces, lots to get involved in, it has Robert Carlyle and Robert Coltrane, and plenty of action for all to enjoy. Only let down by a poor, and embarrassing ending

    Bottom line is, TWINE is by far the better of the two. I can't believe this was ever brought up for debate in the first place
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I thought this was a new thread at first glance but it has been updated recently

    This is an asinine debate over which is the better movie. The World Is Not Enough is Brosnan's best Bond film, Die Another Day is his worst, although Tomorrow Never Dies does come close. Best pre credits sequence, good theme song, at least in terms of that awful crap that Madonna gave us, decent villains, exciting set pieces, lots to get involved in, it has Robert Carlyle and Robert Coltrane, and plenty of action for all to enjoy. Only let down by a poor, and embarrassing ending

    Bottom line is, TWINE is by far the better of the two. I can't believe this was ever brought up for debate in the first place

    Not as embarrassing as DAD's.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    doubleohdad wrote:
    I've written this before, but Bond has the gun on the bad guy halfway through the film and does not kill him, and the audience I saw him with shouted, shoot him! lol

    It wouldn't have killed him anyway, remember? He's invincible. He can't feel pain and will get stronger and stronger until the day he dies.

    "You can't kill me, I'm already dead"
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