The 'Carte Blanche' discussion thread

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  • It's an entertaining book and it was a relief to discover Bond's background history, tastes and interests have remained intact but I too have joined in the mourning of some over Bond's lack of character depth.
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    It’s nice to see many positive reviews floating around out there (I suspect some sad individuals who have written reviews haven’t even read the book from cover to cover. LOL. ) The trend I have noticed in such reviews however are that they tend to overlook the absence of Bond’s CORE personality in the book. Just because Bond’s background history and interests remain largely intact it’s not enough to entirely convince me that we are reading about the same man. Moreover, the fact that he exists in another period is irrelevant in terms of his essential personality except for affecting his chauvinism and racial tendencies. I don’t mind if these attributes are now a thing of the past.

    This is all coming from someone who embraces the continuation books. I am not one of those people who refuses to pick up a non Fleming book or writes off such books just because the style is too different to that of the original creator. I enjoyed Carte Blanch but it’s major demerit is that most of the time I don’t feel like I am reading about Bond. I am open to Deaver returning to write another because he is a talented man but I do feel he needs to get inside the character of Bond more. There’s no denying the fact that he requires greater fleshing out.

    Oh, to add something else to my earlier brief, casual collection of sentiments on the book, I loved the scene in and around the motel at the base of the rock face. Most suspenseful. I loved how Bond left his jacket hanging on the cliff face thereby fooling Dunne. The atmosphere in the motel and its decor reminded me of TSWLM.

    There was very little down time as someone else on another thread said. I loved reading in the earlier books about Bond sitting in some cafe, nursing an Americano or what have you while reflecting on certain topics to an admirable extent – what’s going on behind the closed doors of the town in which he is presently domiciled, the pedestrians, the contact he is meeting, his assignment... Such passages are unquestionably part of Bond’s literary universe. They allow the reader to really soak up the atmosphere and become more than acquainted with the character. Carte Blanche is just too fast paced in parts and lacks these facets. As I said, it’s a good book but we need to know a great deal more of what is going on in Bond's head.

    Charlie Higson, John Pearson, Samantha Weinberg and Christopher Wood (who should come out of retirement :) ) should write an adult Bond book. I think they'd do a splendid job. Especially Wood and Pearson! I suspect IFP wish to recruit authors who are very much in the limelight however which is unfortunate to a point.

    B.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    i need some help here--i find the initial chapters a bit confusing. what is ODG? I thought Bond was in MI6. So MI6 is just not his employer in this "timeline?"
  • i need some help here--i find the initial chapters a bit confusing. what is ODG? I thought Bond was in MI6. So MI6 is just not his employer in this "timeline?"
    yep Bond is part of the ODG which is not Mi6 but the Foreign office..it is model after the SOE (Special Operation Executive which would created for World War 2 under Churchill) .....Who knows why Deaver decide not to do Mi6 instead of this new organization. I would love a explanation.
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    ODG = Overseas Development Group

    Yeah, I would have preferred Bond to have just worked for the SIS/MI6. At the same time however, it is nice that his office is back near Regents Park but I don't think it overlooks it. :)
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 26
    Well I finally got the book the other day and finished it last night. Personally? I loved it. Certainly my favorite of the non-Fleming Bond novels, and while I admit it's not a classic like From Russia With Love or On Her Majesty's Secret Service, this book resonates with me a bit more than the Fleming books, since Deaver is a fellow citizen of North Carolina. It's superficial, but it's something cool to say at the book store and all. ;-)

    Again, it's not on the level of Fleming's best work, but it's a damn good book.

    On a side-note though, I wonder why so many people here felt like it wasn't Bond they were reading about. Personally, this was the first time I've read a non-Fleming Bond book where I actually felt like it was Bond who I was reading about (granted I haven't read Colonel Sun yet, and never read Devil May Care in its entirety). I mean sure, Deaver's Bond isn't as cynical as Fleming's Bond, but from how I remember feeling about the character as I read the books was that Bond developed into that cynicism over time. Granted, my memory could be totally off, but that was how I remember. If so, then I suspect that should Deaver return to write another Bond book (which would be very welcomed IMO), we would probably see Bond's cynicism develop more as the books progressed.
    I was wondering which Bond those of you that read Carte Blanche already pictured in their minds while reading the book? Fleming's Bond, Sean or even Daniel?
    Personally? I saw Bond as that guy from the commercial for the book. And it would seem to me that woman in the commercial was supposed to be Bheka Jordaan.
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    I have the book for almost a week now and I haven't even open it.

    :-(
  • I wanted to know more about ODG! and how it was created, etc...I want to see more of Philly...I hope in the next book or future book..they would be doing a mission together....dont care about Percy that much
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    "On a side-note though, I wonder why so many people here felt like it wasn't Bond they were reading about. Personally, this was the first time I've read a non-Fleming Bond book where I actually felt like it was Bond who I was reading about (granted I haven't read Colonel Sun yet, and never read Devil May Care in its entirety). I mean sure, Deaver's Bond isn't as cynical as Fleming's Bond, but from how I remember feeling about the character as I read the books was that Bond developed into that cynicism over time."

    In CB, Bond to me was too one dimensional and he was too different to his former self. Deaver's Bond was missing many of his original attributes. Something else that was absent was his occasional flippancy. He just lacks overall personality.

    In terms of his cynicism, yes it did increase over time but I think Bond is cynical in Casino Royale too.
  • tqbtqb
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    i couldnt get the image of Al Pacino out of my mind for Hydt.
    And i imagined the bond from Agent under fire visually.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    Like it a lot so far. I find the Percy character superfluous. The others I think are pretty well drawn. The Hydt character has the usual specifically creepy character trait we've come to know. He oughta have an old time Aston martin, tho--not a Jag. Never a Jag.
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    Just turned the last page!

    Well, I really loved it. I was expecting a JG style slog but was pleasantly surprised.

    Not read Deaver before but now tempted to try out his back catalogue. He has a smooth, efficient and lean style that keeps you zipping along. I found it a pleasure from start to end and probably my fave spin-off 007 with 'Colonel Sun'.

    It's certainly a bit more twisty-turny thriller than action adventure. There's a feeling he writes himself into a bit of a corner with the ultimate revelations (the villain's plot certainly seemed larger in the making than it turned out) but the journey there was a great ride so I am not complaining.

    The settings and modern period feel very Craig although I didn't imagine him in the part. I think Deaver has nailed his own Bond and retained a little flavour of Fleming.

    The women were probably the weakest part...still a little cheesy.

    I really like the ODG i.e making Bond part of an even more secret organisation (with his carte blanche/licence to kill) particularly in this more transparent age - I thought that was a great move.

    Overall, I'd be more than happy for Deaver to produce a few more in his Bond reboot-universe....just don't rush him though! Keep the quality up.
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    I hope we're going to get a new Bond book each year now.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I hope we're going to get a new Bond book each year now.
    The next one at the very earliest would be 2013 I'd think. I can't see another one being pumped out for not year, not with all the other book projects Deaver has on his plate.
  • I hope we're going to get a new Bond book each year now.
    The next one at the very earliest would be 2013 I'd think. I can't see another one being pumped out for not year, not with all the other book projects Deaver has on his plate.
    I think a new author will be doing the next book but nothing from IFP to tell us anything yet...maybe in August?
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    "The next one at the very earliest would be 2013 I'd think. I can't see another one being pumped out for not year, not with all the other book projects Deaver has on his plate."


    2013? You mean from Deaver? I mean I hope there's a new book released once per year by different authors. That was the plan but I'm not sure if they intend releasing a book each year. I certainly hope so. They used to but then again that was when just one writer was scribing them. I'd like to read 2 or 3 more books by different authors before Deaver returns to write another, presuming he does actually return. I hope they give Bond alot more personality too than Deaver did! He wrote a good story though.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    2013? You mean from Deaver? I mean I hope there's a new book released once per year by different authors. That was the plan but I'm not sure if they intend releasing a book each year. I certainly hope so. They used to but then again that was when just one writer was scribing them. I'd like to read 2 or 3 more books by different authors before Deaver returns to write another, presuming he does actually return. I hope they give Bond alot more personality too than Deaver did! He wrote a good story though.
    In that case then by all means another author would be able to tackle Bond in time for next year - it would be nice as well, tying into the 50th anniversary and all.
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    Yes, if they have another author already lined up then it would certainly be feasible. If I were them I would have had atleast two authors (including Deaver) lined up before announcing Carte Blanche so a consistent flow in yearly releases can be maintained. I wonder how organised IFP are. Do they have another author lined up? Do they have two or more writers waiting in the wings?

    I don't think Deaver ever intended on returning to write another Bond book immediately after his first. If he does write another I hope the next time I will actually feel like I am reading about the James Bond character!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I wonder how organised IFP are. Do they have another author lined up? Do they have two or more writers waiting in the wings?
    I would say no. I think they'll announce Deaver as writing the next novel in due course but it won't be released until 2014 due to his other projects. They'll justify the three year gap by saying it was the same between the last two novels and worked out OK for them then. Plus 2014 has a chance of being the year of Bond 24's release.
  • edited June 2011 Posts: 2,598
    You don't think they are going to hire other authors to write Bond books? I thought that having different writers was IFP's plan?

    That's a depressing thought having to wait another three years for a Bond book. Plus, I want to see how another author tackles the project anyway. It seems a bit hard to believe IFP would solely wait for Deaver when he may or may not return to write another unless they only really intended this adult Bond book to be a one off which I don't think nor hope is the case.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    You don't think they are going to hire other authors to write Bond books? I thought that having different writers was IFP's plan?
    Well it was the plan for a different author to write one of the five Young Bond books each but Higson ended up writing them all after SilverFin did so well.

    I wasn't aware of IFP wanting a different author for each of the following novels. Maybe you're right. Let's see what happens.
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    Ok guys i know i haven't been in the forums for a while but I picked up 'Carte Blanche' the other day and just finished it. Here is adog's review...the only one you can trust! :p

    "Carte Blanche" - Jeffery Deaver

    Lets start this review back in 2008 for Ian Fleming's Centennial and we (Bond fans) were introduced to the first continuation novel since Raymond Benson's "The Man with the Red Tattoo", which would be by Sebastian Faulks. The novel, which was set in the 1960's had Bond being brought back into action in "Devil May Care".

    Now being the naive young man that I was back in 2008 I bought and read it quickly. Even back then I thought of it as crap. Two weeks ago I tried to re-read it and fell asleep. Even with the films I always give a new Bond (film or novel....hey even video game) a chance. So I went in with low expectations, even though it is Deaver!

    Verdict: I enjoyed it immensely and was pleased by Deaver's rendition!

    SPOILERS to Follow...

    The novel is set modern day - modern Bond. Now as I was reading the story I had different Bond's in mind which was nice. I pictured Connery, Craig, Dalton, and the Brozzer. But the review isn't about those guys, its about Deaver's Bond.

    No one can come close to what Ian Fleming was able to accomplish, which is a daunting task to sign up and continue this legendary series. Deaver though could have failed like Benson and Faulks but he actually hit this one out of the park.

    His ability to set Bond's lineage in modern day and to bring up to speed what happened to his parents, his life in Kent, and his first meeting with M all felt like Fleming had helped Deaver. The locations, the many different set pieces, and globe trotting fit Fleming almost to a tee. Which was very surprising to me and a nice job by Deaver.

    The main drawback to this novel is the villains themselves. There are a couple being Dunne, Hydt, and Willing and each of them just didn't feel like Le Chiffre, Dr. No, Blofeld, or Grant...but they were a lot better than the crap we had to read up until this point. This to me is the only drawback...which can be said as a big one but for the story as a whole isn't enough to ruin the book's pace and great storytelling.


    In the end we are all brought up to speed with the hero we all know and love in a new modern setting. It is a fantastic read and will keep all of us Bond fan's appetites whet until next year's Bond 23. I say for those of you who haven't read it or are wondering if they should I recommend this book. Go out and buy it but most importantly enjoy it.

    And as someone already stated in their review, it feels like CR (reboot, not Connery but better than Brosnan...meaning Flemming is Connery, Deaver is like Craig and Faulks/Benson are compared to Brosnan) which is a good thing because I hope the Ian Fleming Foundation will hire Deaver for another continuation novel.


    8/10
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Welcome back adog, be sure to stick around and thanks for the great review :-D
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Indeed, adog, thanks! I might now pick a copy up, even though TDMC was my first continuation novel and I was planning for it to be the last. So, if it isn't good, you know you're responsible.... :-? :-P
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    I just started reading this today.

    Is this novel a reboot?

    It looks like Bond just starting out as 007!
  • edited July 2011 Posts: 2,598
    You don't think they are going to hire other authors to write Bond books? I thought that having different writers was IFP's plan?
    Well it was the plan for a different author to write one of the five Young Bond books each but Higson ended up writing them all after SilverFin did so well.

    I wasn't aware of IFP wanting a different author for each of the following novels. Maybe you're right. Let's see what happens.
    That’s interesting. Didn’t know that about Higson.

    I thought I had read it somewhere about multiple authors. Maybe it was just a forum user who said this and not IFP. I would rather we have multiple authors. As I said, I thought Deaver’s book was too fast paced in certain parts ( some sections must be slower for it to feel more like a Bond yarn) and most of the time I didn’t even feel like I was reading about James Bond. Other than that though it was a good read and a nice spy thriller in its own right with a Flemingsque villain but I’m keen to see how others will handle Bond.

    Have you read Carte Blanche Samuel? If so, what do you think of it?
    I just started reading this today.

    Is this novel a reboot?

    It looks like Bond just starting out as 007!
    Yes, it's a reboot. Initially I supported this but now I am not so sure if I like the idea as much. If another author or Deaver can flesh out Bond's character more in a contemporary setting then I will be happier and will feel like I am reading about the literary chap I love. The chauvinism and xenophobia doesn't have to be present as there are many more facets to Bond's personality. I've been reading Christopher Wood's Moonraker and he really understands the character as does Pearson. Wood doesn't even like Fleming's Bond either apparently! He prefers Roger Moore's take on the character.

  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    at least Deaver not going overboard with the product placement;

    remember Gardner?

    Bond is wearing Calvin Klein Obsession Cologne, his shirt is from YSL, his suit from Savile Row, his shoes from Gucci, his belt from Foley's, his socks from Foot Locker, his watch from Timex, his hair gel from Vidal Sassoon, he used Gillette Gel Aloe Mint to shave, his underwear from Fruit of the Loom, etc etc

    I was like: Oh Enough with that!

    A book with 300 pages and 150 pages of it is product placement!!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Have you read Carte Blanche Samuel? If so, what do you think of it?
    I'm in the process of reading it now.

    I'll be sure to post my thoughts here once I'm done.
  • edited July 2011 Posts: 2,598
    at least Deaver not going overboard with the product placement;

    remember Gardner?

    Bond is wearing Calvin Klein Obsession Cologne, his shirt is from YSL, his suit from Savile Row, his shoes from Gucci, his belt from Foley's, his socks from Foot Locker, his watch from Timex, his hair gel from Vidal Sassoon, he used Gillette Gel Aloe Mint to shave, his underwear from Fruit of the Loom, etc etc

    I was like: Oh Enough with that!

    A book with 300 pages and 150 pages of it is product placement!!

    Fleming had more product placement than Gardner did. Maybe you don't like the Fleming books. I like the product placement in the novels. It gives the reader an insight into Bond's character, in this case, his extravagant tastes. It’s product placement in the films that I’m not keen on. Film is a different beast. When you have an up close shot of a brand name it comes across as cheesy unless it’s for a specific purpose. When Bond glanced at the time on his Rolex in some of the Moore films and we got an up close shot of the watch, this was okay. It gave the audience an idea of Bond’s taste for luxury items. However, when Campbell shot the Sony DVD up close in Casino Royale this wasn’t nice. When Vesper asked Bond about his Omega in CR, this too was the wrong thing to do.

    Can't remember if I've said this before but another thing about Deaver's Bond is that he is on the bland side and too perfect. He's too nice aswell.
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