What's your opinion of the novel version of Diamonds Are Forever. What did you think of it?

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Yes, I like TMWTGG too. I suppose it's the last of Fleming, so that makes it sadly special.
  • I didn't like it at all, it's currently 22/23 in my Bond literary ranking. The only story that is beneath DAF is 007 In New York, which feels more like a long winded apology to the people of New York, than a story. Fleming didn't get it right all the time, and DAF imo, is an example of when he got it wrong.

    Agreed. I think it has the worst plot of any Bond novel (Fleming) and it's the only story in the series that really drags, long sections during which not much happens whilst Fleming plays around with his writing style.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    Not my favourite Fleming, but vastly superior to the movie in every way imaginable.

    I agree.

    The worst Fleming book or maybe the second worst after the TSWLM. The latter is a good book but because most of it isn't about Bond, I rank it as the worst or second worst. You know, I shouldn't even include TSWLM in my Bond book ranking.

    There's nothing in DAF that really stands out for me. It's on the dull side. I did like the first scene when Bond first meets Tiffany Case and the scenes in New York with Leiter.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I think that it does have some very interesting mini-essays by Fleming, though, especially in the Las Vegas casino scenes where the writing comes very close to social commentary status. I'm writing a piece for my blog on just this area of DAF so it's all very fresh in my mind!
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    Bounine wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Not my favourite Fleming, but vastly superior to the movie in every way imaginable.

    I agree.

    The worst Fleming book or maybe the second worst after the TSWLM. The latter is a good book but because most of it isn't about Bond, I rank it as the worst or second worst. You know, I shouldn't even include TSWLM in my Bond book ranking.

    There's nothing in DAF that really stands out for me. It's on the dull side. I did like the first scene when Bond first meets Tiffany Case and the scenes in New York with Leiter.

    O actually prefer TSWLM the novel to the movie. And between both TSWLM and DAF, I think I prefer the former, however atypical.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Well, it's still a lot better than the dire 1971 film version...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Well, it's still a lot better than the dire 1971 film version...

    And a certain NSF! Sorry old boy just couldn't resist!


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    Personally, with the exception of TMWTGG & TSWLM , I've always found DAF to be fare and away the weakest of the full length Bond novels. I also think that it was the book that nearly made Fleming kill off 007. The work itself can can be best described as a dull, third rate gangster story that was a misguided attempt to do better in America by taking Bond more into the world of Philip Marlowe or, heavens forbid, Mike Hammer!
    All the ingredients that made Fleming's best work outstanding were missing. The solid plotting, the inherent sense of Englishnes and the detail associated with his take on the espionage world.
    What is interesting is that following this turkey , he came up with his best work with FRWL.
    That said, he did decide to kill Bond off at the end of FRWL and I wonder how much of this decision was driven by the fact that the lacklustre DAF would have been published to relatively poor reviews whilst he was in Goldeneye writing FRWL. I sometimes think that JFK naming FRWL as one of his favourite novels and the excellent reviews that it recieved inspired him to carry on. Thank God he did. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the fabulous Dr.No, Goldfinger, Thunderball or OHMSS.
    If any of you Bondologists out there can shed any light on this theory, I'd be most interested.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Villiers53 wrote:
    Personally, with the exception of TMWTGG & TSWLM , I've always found DAF to be fare and away the weakest of the full length Bond novels. I also think that it was the book that nearly made Fleming kill off 007. The work itself can can be best described as a dull, third rate gangster story that was a misguided attempt to do better in America by taking Bond more into the world of Philip Marlowe or, heavens forbid, Mike Hammer!
    All the ingredients that made Fleming's best work outstanding were missing. The solid plotting, the inherent sense of Englishnes and the detail associated with his take on the espionage world.
    What is interesting is that following this turkey , he came up with his best work with FRWL.
    That said, he did decide to kill Bond off at the end of FRWL and I wonder how much of this decision was driven by the fact that the lacklustre DAF would have been published to relatively poor reviews whilst he was in Goldeneye writing FRWL. I sometimes think that JFK naming FRWL as one of his favourite novels and the excellent reviews that it recieved inspired him to carry on. Thank God he did. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the fabulous Dr.No, Goldfinger, Thunderball or OHMSS.
    If any of you Bondologists out there can shed any light on this theory, I'd be most interested.
    That is all quite interesting indeed. Fleming did have meetings with JFK, at one point even offering some ideas on handling Castro, so maybe your hypothesis has a chance of entering the realm of the theory since the men were at times intimate friends of sorts. And quite fittingly, the last film JFK saw was FRWL, screened at the White House on the 20th of November '63 before he made his way to Dallas.
  • Villiers53 wrote:
    Personally, with the exception of TMWTGG & TSWLM , I've always found DAF to be fare and away the weakest of the full length Bond novels. I also think that it was the book that nearly made Fleming kill off 007. The work itself can can be best described as a dull, third rate gangster story that was a misguided attempt to do better in America by taking Bond more into the world of Philip Marlowe or, heavens forbid, Mike Hammer!
    All the ingredients that made Fleming's best work outstanding were missing. The solid plotting, the inherent sense of Englishnes and the detail associated with his take on the espionage world.
    What is interesting is that following this turkey , he came up with his best work with FRWL.
    That said, he did decide to kill Bond off at the end of FRWL and I wonder how much of this decision was driven by the fact that the lacklustre DAF would have been published to relatively poor reviews whilst he was in Goldeneye writing FRWL. I sometimes think that JFK naming FRWL as one of his favourite novels and the excellent reviews that it recieved inspired him to carry on. Thank God he did. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the fabulous Dr.No, Goldfinger, Thunderball or OHMSS.
    If any of you Bondologists out there can shed any light on this theory, I'd be most interested.

    Agree completely with your take on DAF, @Villiers53. JFK's naming of FRWL wouldn't have been a factor in Fleming continuing with Bond as the JFK Life Magazine article was in 1961 and DN was published in 1958.

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    Agree completely with your take on DAF, @Villiers53. JFK's naming of FRWL wouldn't have been a factor in Fleming continuing with Bond as the JFK Life Magazine article was in 1961 and DN was published in 1958.
    Excellent point Sir James.
    Nontheless, it's funny how IF got everything so wrong with DAF and so right with FRWL.
    Although I enjoyed CR & Moonraker, it was really FRWL that lit the literary flame for me.
    It was even the first book to have a fabulous piece of cover art by Richard Chopping.

  • edited May 2013 Posts: 4,622
    I'm currently re-reading all the Fleming novels and, coincidentally, have just finished Diamonds Are Forever. I have to agree with the majority of posts above... there's some good stuff but it's a real come down after CR, LALD and MR and definitely one of the weakest novels.

    The Spangled Mob are certainly Fleming's dullest villains, maybe that's partly because they're clichéd Italian-American mobsters but it's mainly because they're so thinly sketched. Jack and Seraffimo probably speak no more than 200 words between them in the entire novel and there's nothing exceptional or even particularly interesting about them. It's notable that Fleming has almost every character Bond comes into contact with (Tanner, M, Tiffany Case, Leiter, Ernie Cureo) stress to Bond how the Spangs are so much more frightening than they seem; it seems he doth protest too much.

    The plot is also pretty thin and quite mundane. Bond poses as Peter Franks and smuggles some diamonds into the States completely successfully and with no real hitches. He then spends the rest of the novel waiting around to be paid, travelling to Saratoga (getting involved in a pretty jarring subplot) and Vegas. Spang discovers that he's not the real Peter Franks and has him beaten up. He escapes. The end. Fleming's prose is fantastic throughout but it feels like he's often having more fun than the reader and I think @myworldisenough's comment that it drags is spot on. The epilogue set on the Queen Elizabeth is definitely the best and most exciting section (even though it requires us to believe Bond has the memory of a elderly and particularly forgetful goldfish to not recognise the two men who kicked the *!&@ out of him only two days earlier.)

    Good stuff: The prose, particularly Fleming's wonderful travelogue of mid-50s Vegas; Tiffany Case is great with the banter and one of Fleming's sparkiest Bond Girls; Wint and Kidd are pretty interesting (although not as good as the film version); Shady Tree is awesome and it's a real shame he doesn't come back.

    Observations: It's the first mention we get of Bond's licence to kill (although it's not named as such); and Felix Leiter has recovered from his horrific injuries, resigned from the CIA, been hired by Pinkertons, become an expert on horse racing and race fixing, and figured out that Shy Smile's a ringer all in the space of five months!

    P.S. I have a bit of a soft spot for TSWLM which I think is pretty good if you view it as a bit of an experiment like QoS, THR or OP rather than a "proper" Bond novel.
    I can relate to this summary. DAF I find to be hit, and maybe simply interesting, but not "miss". Fleming, I don't find to be ever "miss." Rather, I find him to be a very interesting raconteur, no matter what he is going on about.
    Because I saw a bunch of 007 movies before I picked up a Fleming book, I was already hooked on the appeal of the character, so any original Bond story fascinated me.
    But yes, because the Spang Brothers are so thinly drawn and really never do live up to their build-up, DAF doesn't resonate as well as the other Flemings. These villains really don't take the time to appreciate Bond. This might be a more realistic approach, but not as engaging. The book might have benefited from better interaction between Bond and the lead bad-guys, thus elevating both their statures and the gravitas of the conflict.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Well, it's still a lot better than the dire 1971 film version...

    And a certain NSF! Sorry old boy just couldn't resist!


    That's half your problem, Ice.
  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
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    Caught up with this thread. Reading it now, hope to post some thoughts later this week.
  • It’s certainly an enjoyable read…undoubtedly a more enjoyable entry in terms of Fleming’s lesser novels (the gold standard still being CR and YOLT).

    It’s clear that Fleming found the topic of diamond smuggling interesting (he even wrote a non-fiction novel about it) and his curiosity shines through. The most interesting parts of the novel are those early passages where Bond has to infiltrate the ‘pipeline’ and work his way up.

    The novel dips when Bond goes to Saratoga and Las Vegas. It becomes a little travelogue-y and exposition-laden. Even the reasons for Bond getting to the Spang’s attention isn’t really all that exciting or provocative. Effectively the entire novel feels like a first-act and a little under-cooked (perhaps as I’m used to the more bombastic films).

    One of the great assets the novel has is the character of Tiffany Case. She is a classic femme-fatale character (and I place emphasis on the word ‘character’ as Tiffany is one of Fleming’s more fleshed-out creations). There is a sharp, witty quality to the character which adds to her air of mystery. Of course, her tragic backstory and evasiveness make her more compelling. Fleming does do her a bit of a disservice by making her so easily fall for Bond. The more love-doevy elements feel disingenuous to her character. I could imagine someone like Sienna Miller in the role…….

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    Also, having Bond go up against the mob feels kinda lacklustre. However, it’s a smart move to make Bond equally as unimpressed with the mob due to the stereotypes he has heard. So when the more brutal stuff happens it’s a shock to him. He’s warned plenty that he is underestimating these guys but it’s great to actually see him take some blows. One of the things I always loved about Fleming ‘s writing is his treatment of Bond. There is a significant portion of the novel where Bond is really badly brutalised – almost to the point of death. There are even times where he’s frightened and broken. It adds genuine drama and stakes to the novel (a trick the films often miss).

    I wish we saw more of the Spang’s as they are the ‘villains’ of the novel. The book really lacked a ‘villain’ figure. However, there scenes barely add up to a page of material. I think a more fleshed out Spang brothers could be played by Jon Bernthal…….

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    I’m also a big fan of that final portion where Bond stares into Wint’s eyes and they seemingly tell Bond that ‘death is permanent.’ I always enjoy the more morbid touches in Fleming’s work. There is also a neat little metaphor that links this point to the title of the book (which was cool to find out after so many years).

    So what did we all think?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As far as today’s casting, I always felt January Jones would have been the best pick for Tiffany Case. Never gave much thought of the Spang brothers enough to figure who should be cast because they were so undercooked, but I like your pick of Jon Bernthal. He’s at least make the part memorable with his charisma as a mob leader.

    Also I can’t not picture Joe Pesci as Shady Tree. He’s a close description as there can be.
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    I always thought it was more crime fiction than spy thriller. Even the way Jack Spang is introduced is very Chandler.
  • RC7RC7
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    Interesting thread resurrection. Objectively I can see why it’s viewed as one of the ‘lesser’ entries, but I’ve always personally been quite taken with it. It’s very evocative - something I think the film actually captures well. After seeing Legend some years ago I’ve never been able to shake the idea of Tom Hardy playing both Jack and Serafimo in an updated setting.
  • Rather surprised to see quite so much negativity surrounding the book. The general sentiment being that out of Fleming’s early novels – it’s generally considered lacking.
    I'm currently re-reading all the Fleming novels and, coincidentally, have just finished Diamonds Are Forever. I have to agree with the majority of posts above... there's some good stuff but it's a real come down after CR, LALD and MR and definitely one of the weakest novels.

    The Spangled Mob are certainly Fleming's dullest villains, maybe that's partly because they're clichéd Italian-American mobsters but it's mainly because they're so thinly sketched. Jack and Seraffimo probably speak no more than 200 words between them in the entire novel and there's nothing exceptional or even particularly interesting about them. It's notable that Fleming has almost every character Bond comes into contact with (Tanner, M, Tiffany Case, Leiter, Ernie Cureo) stress to Bond how the Spangs are so much more frightening than they seem; it seems he doth protest too much.

    The plot is also pretty thin and quite mundane. Bond poses as Peter Franks and smuggles some diamonds into the States completely successfully and with no real hitches. He then spends the rest of the novel waiting around to be paid, travelling to Saratoga (getting involved in a pretty jarring subplot) and Vegas. Spang discovers that he's not the real Peter Franks and has him beaten up. He escapes. The end. Fleming's prose is fantastic throughout but it feels like he's often having more fun than the reader and I think @myworldisenough's comment that it drags is spot on. The epilogue set on the Queen Elizabeth is definitely the best and most exciting section (even though it requires us to believe Bond has the memory of a elderly and particularly forgetful goldfish to not recognise the two men who kicked the *!&@ out of him only two days earlier.)

    Good stuff: The prose, particularly Fleming's wonderful travelogue of mid-50s Vegas; Tiffany Case is great with the banter and one of Fleming's sparkiest Bond Girls; Wint and Kidd are pretty interesting (although not as good as the film version); Shady Tree is awesome and it's a real shame he doesn't come back.

    Observations: It's the first mention we get of Bond's licence to kill (although it's not named as such); and Felix Leiter has recovered from his horrific injuries, resigned from the CIA, been hired by Pinkertons, become an expert on horse racing and race fixing, and figured out that Shy Smile's a ringer all in the space of five months!

    P.S. I have a bit of a soft spot for TSWLM which I think is pretty good if you view it as a bit of an experiment like QoS, THR or OP rather than a "proper" Bond novel.

    I think this review somewhat excellently describes the book. The central issue is that many of Fleming’s devices – femme-fatales, actions, shoot-outs, grandiose villains – are better suited to film than literacy. Hence why the Bond movies, in fact, supersede Fleming’s writing.

    The most successful aspects of Fleming’s work are the more mournful and sombre elements (as this has always been something that the films have eschewed). I think the parts that hit me in DAF are:
    • Bond is essentially falling in love with Tiffany. He is very romantic and besotted. He goes to bed dreaming of her. It helps that her character is not only fractured but also resilient. She’s well-written for a Fleming femme-fatale.
    • I really love that Fleming puts Bond through the wringer. He is totally broken and on the back foot in Spectreville. Bond in the films in unflappable, but in the books, he really takes a beating and scarcely recovers. One of my favourite passages in Fleming is in OHMSS is when Bond is escaping but the physical exhaustion is forcing him to stop. It’s compelling to see the lead character struggle in such a human way.
    • I really liked the passage at the end of the noel where Bond stares in Wint (or Kidd’s) eyes and they seemingly say to him that ‘Death is forever.’ That resonated with me.

    Still feel that Sienna Miller would make a terrific Tiffany Case. Remember, she was Eon’s favourite for Vesper – until the Craig romance rumours put the kibosh on it.

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    Also, I’m so surprised we haven’t seen the twin idea in a Bond film yet. It’s a great excuse to get an actor to play two characters.
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    I always felt that Flemings acquaintance with Raymond Chandler led to this novel played out in America, that and his fascination with the diamond trade/smugglers, I even have that book in my collection and it is quite decent.
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    IMO the weakest section of the book is the horse race. It’s like a low-budget Dick Francis potboiler.

    But the steam train chase at the end is excellent, there’s something quite gothic and ghost-trainy about it that really appeals to me. Tiffany Case is fantastic too.
  • Villiers53 wrote: »
    Personally, with the exception of TMWTGG & TSWLM , I've always found DAF to be fare and away the weakest of the full length Bond novels. I also think that it was the book that nearly made Fleming kill off 007. The work itself can can be best described as a dull, third rate gangster story that was a misguided attempt to do better in America by taking Bond more into the world of Philip Marlowe or, heavens forbid, Mike Hammer!
    All the ingredients that made Fleming's best work outstanding were missing. The solid plotting, the inherent sense of Englishnes and the detail associated with his take on the espionage world.
    What is interesting is that following this turkey , he came up with his best work with FRWL.
    That said, he did decide to kill Bond off at the end of FRWL and I wonder how much of this decision was driven by the fact that the lacklustre DAF would have been published to relatively poor reviews whilst he was in Goldeneye writing FRWL. I sometimes think that JFK naming FRWL as one of his favourite novels and the excellent reviews that it recieved inspired him to carry on. Thank God he did. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the fabulous Dr.No, Goldfinger, Thunderball or OHMSS.
    If any of you Bondologists out there can shed any light on this theory, I'd be most interested.

    What a great summation.
    I agree completely with Villiers53 on this. It was definitely his attempt plough the American crime furrow. He’d had Bond in the US before with the tightly plotted L&LD but this time it seemed much more an attempt to directly inhabit the terrain of Chandler and Spillane and for me it was a failure. It resulted in the weakest of the Bond books.
    He had another go with TSWLM and was more successful. The first person female narrative gives it an edge and the whole thing develops into a ‘Key Largo’ type thriller. Although it wasn’t a commercial success at the time and Fleming tried to distance himself from it. In retrospect, it’s quite a brave novel.
    DAF on the other hand, had few redeeming features.


  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Pretty much agree with the consensus. It's one of Fleming's weaker stories. I have to say, I am surprised The Spang Brothers haven't been used in any capacity by EON, though.
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    Pretty much agree with the consensus. It's one of Fleming's weaker stories. I have to say, I am surprised The Spang Brothers haven't been used in any capacity by EON, though.
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Pretty much agree with the consensus. It's one of Fleming's weaker stories. I have to say, I am surprised The Spang Brothers haven't been used in any capacity by EON, though.
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Pretty much agree with the consensus. It's one of Fleming's weaker stories. I have to say, I am surprised The Spang Brothers haven't been used in any capacity by EON, though.

    There are many things still not used by EON that I am surprised by - either still unused scenes from previously adapted novels (both DAF and MR have many), or entire novels that have yet to be properly adapted (TSWLM, YOLT, TMWTGG).
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    I always felt that Flemings acquaintance with Raymond Chandler led to this novel played out in America, that and his fascination with the diamond trade/smugglers, I even have that book in my collection and it is quite decent.

    I think you're right about Chandler. Fleming wrote basically crime fiction with DAF, trying to emulate Chandler while he was not truly comfortable with it.
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    The defects of DAF are obvious upfront. Fleming was never great at plotting, but his stories usually have forward momentum and suspense. DAF doesn't; the plot meanders and is really just a travelogue based on Fleming's own research trip with Ernest Cuneo. As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn't hold together very well.

    But unlike TMWTGG, still the weakest of the Bond sagas, DAF was written in Fleming's prime and has many virtues. First, as Raymond Chandler noted in his review of the book, Fleming does a superb job of capturing 1950s Saratoga and Las Vegas. His prose is strong throughout.

    Second, there are many strong characters, aside from the weak main villains. Jack Spang is intentionally kept off-stage for most of the book, and Seraffimo is introduced too late to make a deep impact. That's a pity because the character has potential. We get a withering insight into his cruelty when he slaps the manicurist and demands she be fired. And his passion for Western kitsch is an interesting character trait that Fleming could have made more of, along with his potential jealousy of Bond's relations with Tiffany.

    Spangs aside, the other villains are splendidly grotesque: Wint and Kidd are far nastier and threatening than they were onscreen, Shady Tree's cameo is worthy of Dickens, and even walk-ons like Lamebrain Pissaro are vivid. And who can forget Tingaling Bell and his horrible fate, or the fat attendant at the mud bath?

    The best of them all is Tiffany Case, Fleming's first successful female character, the first with a fully-drawn personality and convincing psychology. I've written about her elsewhere, so I won't go on about her here. Incidentally, if you want to listen to the music she plays when Bond first meets her (the “best light record ever made”), go here. Thanks to Tiffany, DAF is also the first Bond book with a real sense of humor.

    Additionally, though DAF fails as a sustained narrative, it's full of wonderful scenes, many of which have yet to be adapted: M and Bond examining real and fake diamonds; the first meeting of Bond and Tiffany (capped with the pathos of "another damn crook") and their dinner in New York and its aftermath ("now get the hell away from me"); the gruesome and horrific goings-on at the Acme Mud and Sulphur Baths; the shootout at the drive-in; the eerie kitsch of Spectreville; Bond's Brooklyn stomping and Tiffany's daring rescue of him; Bond facing down the Locomotive like duelist; the emotional goodbye with Felix; Bond and Tiffany's discussing marriage on the Queen Elizabeth; and the deaths of Wint and Kidd.

    What's sad is that many of these scenes might have played even better onscreen than on the page, but by the time DAF was adapted, the films had entered the Hamilton/Mankiewicz era. Had DAF been transferred to screen with the same care that had gone into Goldfinger, the filmmakers could have retained the best of Fleming while improving on the novel by strengthening the plot, just as in GF.

    Incidentally, though it's definitely not Fleming's best, DAF is the only Bond novel so far that has an entire academic study devoted to it and the its adaptation: The Many Facets of Diamonds Are Forever: James Bond on Page and Screen. I contributed one of the essays to this book, and though its price is still too expensive you can probably find a copy at a good library.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The best of them all is Tiffany Case, Fleming's first successful female character, the first with a fully-drawn personality and convincing psychology. I've written about her elsewhere, so I won't go on about her here. Incidentally, if you want to listen to the music she plays when Bond first meets her (the “best light record ever made”), go here. Thanks to Tiffany, DAF is also the first Bond book with a real sense of humor.

    There were two different performances for "Echoes in Paris" released, one in 1953 (10" VX 500) and the other in 1956 (12" VX 25.200). Each have two tracks that aren't included in the other. Thankfully because Fleming referred to the VX 500 vinyl in DAF that narrows down which of the two. However, online streaming services don't actually include the distinction, but looking at the length of the two tracks that Spotify listing is likely the 1956 release, which I also saw on iTunes. For the original 1953 version that Fleming cited, here's the two sides on YouTube.


    Side A



    Side B

  • Revelator wrote: »
    The defects of DAF are obvious upfront. Fleming was never great at plotting, but his stories usually have forward momentum and suspense. DAF doesn't; the plot meanders and is really just a travelogue based on Fleming's own research trip with Ernest Cuneo. As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn't hold together very well.

    But unlike TMWTGG, still the weakest of the Bond sagas, DAF was written in Fleming's prime and has many virtues. First, as Raymond Chandler noted in his review of the book, Fleming does a superb job of capturing 1950s Saratoga and Las Vegas. His prose is strong throughout............

    What's sad is that many of these scenes might have played even better onscreen than on the page, but by the time DAF was adapted, the films had entered the Hamilton/Mankiewicz era. Had DAF been transferred to screen with the same care that had gone into Goldfinger, the filmmakers could have retained the best of Fleming while improving on the novel by strengthening the plot, just as in GF.

    Incidentally, though it's definitely not Fleming's best, DAF is the only Bond novel so far that has an entire academic study devoted to it and the its adaptation: The Many Facets of Diamonds Are Forever: James Bond on Page and Screen. I contributed one of the essays to this book, and though its price is still too expensive you can probably find a copy at a good library.

    Bondonians, ‘Revalator’ speaks truth to negativity!
    His appraisal of DAF is so good and so spot on, he nearly made me want to read the damn thing again !
    I say ‘nearly’ because the point he makes at the outset is the right one ; “As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn’t hold together very well”.
    Indeed, when I think back, I remember it reading like a series of vignettes rather than a significant whole.
    Certainly the points Revalator makes about the awful movie adaptation are more than correct but unfortunately outside of the fabulous Young trilogy, GF and OHMSS, isn’t that true of them all ?

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    Revelator wrote: »
    The defects of DAF are obvious upfront. Fleming was never great at plotting, but his stories usually have forward momentum and suspense. DAF doesn't; the plot meanders and is really just a travelogue based on Fleming's own research trip with Ernest Cuneo. As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn't hold together very well.

    But unlike TMWTGG, still the weakest of the Bond sagas, DAF was written in Fleming's prime and has many virtues. First, as Raymond Chandler noted in his review of the book, Fleming does a superb job of capturing 1950s Saratoga and Las Vegas. His prose is strong throughout............

    What's sad is that many of these scenes might have played even better onscreen than on the page, but by the time DAF was adapted, the films had entered the Hamilton/Mankiewicz era. Had DAF been transferred to screen with the same care that had gone into Goldfinger, the filmmakers could have retained the best of Fleming while improving on the novel by strengthening the plot, just as in GF.

    Incidentally, though it's definitely not Fleming's best, DAF is the only Bond novel so far that has an entire academic study devoted to it and the its adaptation: The Many Facets of Diamonds Are Forever: James Bond on Page and Screen. I contributed one of the essays to this book, and though its price is still too expensive you can probably find a copy at a good library.

    Bondonians, ‘Revalator’ speaks truth to negativity!
    His appraisal of DAF is so good and so spot on, he nearly made me want to read the damn thing again !
    I say ‘nearly’ because the point he makes at the outset is the right one ; “As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn’t hold together very well”.
    Indeed, when I think back, I remember it reading like a series of vignettes rather than a significant whole.
    Certainly the points Revalator makes about the awful movie adaptation are more than correct but unfortunately outside of the fabulous Young trilogy, GF and OHMSS, isn’t that true of them all ?

    Nice to see you now mention GF too, Pussy! \:D/
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    The defects of DAF are obvious upfront. Fleming was never great at plotting, but his stories usually have forward momentum and suspense. DAF doesn't; the plot meanders and is really just a travelogue based on Fleming's own research trip with Ernest Cuneo. As a thriller or crime drama, DAF doesn't hold together very well.

    But unlike TMWTGG, still the weakest of the Bond sagas, DAF was written in Fleming's prime and has many virtues. First, as Raymond Chandler noted in his review of the book, Fleming does a superb job of capturing 1950s Saratoga and Las Vegas. His prose is strong throughout.

    Second, there are many strong characters, aside from the weak main villains. Jack Spang is intentionally kept off-stage for most of the book, and Seraffimo is introduced too late to make a deep impact. That's a pity because the character has potential. We get a withering insight into his cruelty when he slaps the manicurist and demands she be fired. And his passion for Western kitsch is an interesting character trait that Fleming could have made more of, along with his potential jealousy of Bond's relations with Tiffany.

    Spangs aside, the other villains are splendidly grotesque: Wint and Kidd are far nastier and threatening than they were onscreen, Shady Tree's cameo is worthy of Dickens, and even walk-ons like Lamebrain Pissaro are vivid. And who can forget Tingaling Bell and his horrible fate, or the fat attendant at the mud bath?

    The best of them all is Tiffany Case, Fleming's first successful female character, the first with a fully-drawn personality and convincing psychology. I've written about her elsewhere, so I won't go on about her here. Incidentally, if you want to listen to the music she plays when Bond first meets her (the “best light record ever made”), go here. Thanks to Tiffany, DAF is also the first Bond book with a real sense of humor.

    Additionally, though DAF fails as a sustained narrative, it's full of wonderful scenes, many of which have yet to be adapted: M and Bond examining real and fake diamonds; the first meeting of Bond and Tiffany (capped with the pathos of "another damn crook") and their dinner in New York and its aftermath ("now get the hell away from me"); the gruesome and horrific goings-on at the Acme Mud and Sulphur Baths; the shootout at the drive-in; the eerie kitsch of Spectreville; Bond's Brooklyn stomping and Tiffany's daring rescue of him; Bond facing down the Locomotive like duelist; the emotional goodbye with Felix; Bond and Tiffany's discussing marriage on the Queen Elizabeth; and the deaths of Wint and Kidd.

    What's sad is that many of these scenes might have played even better onscreen than on the page, but by the time DAF was adapted, the films had entered the Hamilton/Mankiewicz era. Had DAF been transferred to screen with the same care that had gone into Goldfinger, the filmmakers could have retained the best of Fleming while improving on the novel by strengthening the plot, just as in GF.

    Incidentally, though it's definitely not Fleming's best, DAF is the only Bond novel so far that has an entire academic study devoted to it and the its adaptation: The Many Facets of Diamonds Are Forever: James Bond on Page and Screen. I contributed one of the essays to this book, and though its price is still too expensive you can probably find a copy at a good library.

    Some great scenes you mentioned there that are still untapped. Even the horse racing scene would work on screen too.

    I just wish someone senior at EON would realise this and start going back to adapting what is left of Fleming material. If only Maibaum and Cubby were still here.
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