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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (30th June 2023)

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They’re pretty much the 21st century equivalent of tabloids.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    I don't understand why people have hate boners for Youtube commentators (for want of a better phrase). If you don't like it, don't watch it. Life is if too short, go and jerk your gherkin to something you like.

    Lol, so true, they just can’t move on. Lol.

    It all just seems like a waste of time and energy to me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 14,960
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    They’re pretty much the 21st century equivalent of tabloids.

    We still have those sadly, and... they report the lies these guys come out with. The Mail printed all that 'Waller Bridge replaces Ford' nonsense.
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    I don't understand why people have hate boners for Youtube commentators (for want of a better phrase). If you don't like it, don't watch it. Life is if too short, go and jerk your gherkin to something you like.

    Lol, so true, they just can’t move on. Lol.

    It all just seems like a waste of time and energy to me.

    If complaining about other people is a waste of time then there's some irony here perhaps?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I just think it's sometimes hard to just ignore because these lies can really take a hold and for me I just worry that these lies will have an affect on what could be an incredible film because you know some people will still think the lies said about Indiana Jones specifically are true and that the final product was just altered. Again, you could say don't let it bother you but when these lies start spreading, it can have an affect on reviews and box office, and I can't help but feel bad for the people involved in the film when things like this happen.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    If complaining about other people is a waste of time...

    Knowing full well that you don't like their content, but still watching anyway, then complaining afterwards... you can call it what you like, but to me, yes, that's a waste of time.

    On a related note, you'll have to forgive me for not seeing the Becoming Bond documentary for obvious reasons.


    Brining this back to Indiana Jones, I saw The Last Crusade recently. I think it's been a few years since I saw it last. I daresay that Connery stole the film from Ford.

    1. Raiders Of The Lost Ark
    2. Last Crusade
    3. Kingdom Of The Crystal Skulls
    4. Temple Of Doom
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited March 2023 Posts: 8,025
    For the record, I don’t watch their crap.

    Anyway, here’s my ranking.

    1. TEMPLE
    2. RAIDERS
    3. CRUSADE
    4. CRYSTAL SKULL
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    1. The Temple of Doom
    2. Raiders of the Lost Ark
    3. The Last Crusade
    4. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

    Is anybody here expecting The Dial of Destiny to make their number one spot?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 14,960
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    If complaining about other people is a waste of time...

    Knowing full well that you don't like their content, but still watching anyway, then complaining afterwards... you can call it what you like, but to me, yes, that's a waste of time.

    I haven't watched any of it; I just saw a transcript from someone who had.
    Being aware of the rise of these sort of 'alternate truth' folks who tell whatever lies they like and are rewarded for it isn't a waste of time, no. There's a lawsuit going in the US right now about a supposed 'news' network where the anchors have been exposed for doing just the same and admitting they're only doing it for viewers and share prices, and yet people still watch them lie and lap it up.
    Just ignoring that problem and drawing parallels between being concerned about it and masturbation seems a waste of time to me. There's nothing wrong with drawing attention to lies as being such before they take hold and do damage.
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    On a related note, you'll have to forgive me for not seeing the Becoming Bond documentary for obvious reasons.

    Not obvious for me...?
    Regardless, your seeing it or not doesn't alter what's in it, and what I said about the producer of the Bond films saying this sort of thing impacted the Bond films; and I like these movies so I don't want them harmed by anything malicious. Is that understandable?

    Release order for me.


  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Nah. If it makes #3 I’ll be extremely impressed
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't know enough it to predict. But I do feel like it might be one film too many. Ford might look good for his age, and I think he does, but he is still nearly 80. How much of the physical stuff can he safely do himself? I think he got away with it in the last film.

    I won't rush to the cinema, but I will grab the inevitable 5 films boxset when it's released.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    All I can ask is that it's much better than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If that's the case, I'll consider it a win.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    I think they did a pretty good job portraying Indy 15 years or so after the previous movies in KOTCS. So yes, I like that as well, and keep enjoying it. My ranking is still:

    1. ROTLA
    2. TLC
    3. TOD
    4. (you guessed it) KOTCS

    But for me, they are a lot closer to each other than what seems to seep from some of other posters' reactions. And to quote @Scaramanga1974 from somewhere on the last page: "Give me Indy over MI any day."
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    All I can ask is that it's much better than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If that's the case, I'll consider it a win.

    I agree with this, we shouldn't be expecting a new film to live up to the original trilogy this late in the game. The best we can hope for is they tastfully honour the old films and provide Ford and Co a satisfying final bow.
  • Shaken_Not_StirredShaken_Not_Stirred MI6
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    The movie won't be as good as the first or the third it will be over the top with the action but I think it will be a blast!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    My mention of Critical Drinker seemed to touch a nerve. I love how people say they can't stand them and then quote things they say or post. Then they put down those that watch or like them. Why can't we all just watch what we watch without the need to put down anyone.

    Back to the thread, I hope that the DOD does the franchise proud. The CGI that was in the last one will likely return especially with an 80 year old playing the main role. Lets hope it is handled well and that as many practical effects and stunts are in the movie. I actually thought the ending of the last Indy movie worked well. Interesting to see where this one ends. The cool thing of the series is that if you wanted to just keep it to a trilogy you have Ford et. al riding off into the sunset. If you wanted to keep it to 4 films you have Indy getting married and his son right with him. Where does DOD end things? Will it take a NTTD ending and kill off Indy? Or give the fans a happier ending? Time will tell and my butt will be in a theatre seat to watch.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    The best we can hope for is they tastfully honour the old films and provide Ford and Co a satisfying final bow.
    Yes, I absolutely second that, and will happily go and have a nostalgic two+ hours at the cinema.

  • Shaken_Not_StirredShaken_Not_Stirred MI6
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    thedove wrote: »
    My mention of Critical Drinker seemed to touch a nerve. I love how people say they can't stand them and then quote things they say or post. Then they put down those that watch or like them. Why can't we all just watch what we watch without the need to put down anyone.

    Back to the thread, I hope that the DOD does the franchise proud. The CGI that was in the last one will likely return especially with an 80 year old playing the main role. Lets hope it is handled well and that as many practical effects and stunts are in the movie. I actually thought the ending of the last Indy movie worked well. Interesting to see where this one ends. The cool thing of the series is that if you wanted to just keep it to a trilogy you have Ford et. al riding off into the sunset. If you wanted to keep it to 4 films you have Indy getting married and his son right with him. Where does DOD end things? Will it take a NTTD ending and kill off Indy? Or give the fans a happier ending? Time will tell and my butt will be in a theatre seat to watch.

    The Drinker is a gem
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2023 Posts: 14,960
    thedove wrote: »
    My mention of Critical Drinker seemed to touch a nerve. I love how people say they can't stand them and then quote things they say or post. Then they put down those that watch or like them. Why can't we all just watch what we watch without the need to put down anyone.

    The only folks accused of ‘jerking off’ were those who aren’t keen on these channels and don’t watch them. If Critical Drinker never feels the need to put down anyone then that’s fine.
    I find the stuff I have seen of him to be very cynically designed in terms of appeal, but I have more of an issue with those of them peddling lies designed to damage products, reputations or careers. The other one is trying his best to harpoon this film before anyone has seen it with lies about test screenings and reshoots, because he sees money in ad revenue presumably and people lap up this outrage stuff, and that upsets me after all the hard work put into it. It’s vandalism, basically, and on a par with saying the CraigNotBond lads were a great bunch of guys. Why can’t we watch the film without the need for these people putting down anyone.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Shaken_Not_Stirred wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    My mention of Critical Drinker seemed to touch a nerve. I love how people say they can't stand them and then quote things they say or post. Then they put down those that watch or like them. Why can't we all just watch what we watch without the need to put down anyone.

    Back to the thread, I hope that the DOD does the franchise proud. The CGI that was in the last one will likely return especially with an 80 year old playing the main role. Lets hope it is handled well and that as many practical effects and stunts are in the movie. I actually thought the ending of the last Indy movie worked well. Interesting to see where this one ends. The cool thing of the series is that if you wanted to just keep it to a trilogy you have Ford et. al riding off into the sunset. If you wanted to keep it to 4 films you have Indy getting married and his son right with him. Where does DOD end things? Will it take a NTTD ending and kill off Indy? Or give the fans a happier ending? Time will tell and my butt will be in a theatre seat to watch.

    The Drinker is a gem

    Indeed, and more nuanced than some are capable of understanding .
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2023 Posts: 5,869
    Maybe Critical is nuanced, I don't know, but in this specific scenario, he just seems to have fallen into the trap of these fake doomsday rumours that are just there to stir the pot and cause outrage. But I suppose the conversation should really be whether members here believe those rumours in the first place?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t trust an alcoholic on the internet.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Indiana Jones and the Internet Alcoholics :))
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I enjoy a lot of those YouTube channels but I would argue that you really need to look at them as a form of entertainment rather than a news source.

    Drinker makes me laugh, even when I think he's talking nonsense.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    The best we can hope for is they tastfully honour the old films and provide Ford and Co a satisfying final bow.
    Yes, I absolutely second that, and will happily go and have a nostalgic two+ hours at the cinema.

    Me three. I'll be booking my tickets as soon as they are available. All I hope is the film be better than Crystal Skull, please oh please clear that low bar!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I enjoy a lot of those YouTube channels but I would argue that you really need to look at them as a form of entertainment rather than a news source.

    Which is great if you do, but the same can be said for Fox or GB News: the problem is that many people do believe it, and that does harm.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Or the PaedBC.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Whatever that is I've never seen it, for obvious reasons.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    The guy responsible for the rumors about the leaked script, the "disastrous test screenings" (he actually claims to have the same reports about various projects around once a week in his videos), and the reshoots is just a troll with a blatant political agenda, who possibly has another masked persona as a white supremacist and nazi sympathizer on another site (if it isn't true, it doesn't stretch credulity as the end goals are exactly the same). It goes beyond even what the British tabloids do. These people simply use pop culture as a battleground to push their views, as they don't enjoy anything out of it and negatively compare everything recent (outside of a few things, such as the movies by Zack Snyder) with some mythical past.

    But I'd bet that if Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Temple of Doom were released today, they'd be the first to complain about the content. "Why is the lead female character so dismissive of the hero? She's brash up to the point the movie loses all its steam every time she opens her mouth. The depiction of Nazis as supremely evil is cartoon-like, serving some Hollywood narrative, and they actually make up for poor villains. James Earl Jones, as the token black guy who voices Vader, is the weak link in the cast, as he confuses speaking in a deep voice with projecting strength."

    There was a time in Hollywood in the second half of the eighties and the early nineties with a ton of machismo and posturing in action films, the stuff actors such as Stallone, Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal could star in. But it has never been the standard otherwise, and it shouldn't be.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    One of the things I like about the Indy films is that they’re not shy of making Indy fallible. There’s so many instances of the films taking the piss out of Indy, a lot of times out of comedic purposes such as his fear of snakes. They’re not afraid that it would make Indy seem less heroic or cool. Something like Marion punching Indy in the face in RAIDERS was something you’d never see happen to James Bond back in the 60s.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    One of the things I like about the Indy films is that they’re not shy of making Indy fallible. There’s so many instances of the films taking the piss out of Indy, a lot of times out of comedic purposes such as his fear of snakes. They’re not afraid that it would make Indy seem less heroic or cool. Something like Marion punching Indy in the face in RAIDERS was something you’d never see happen to James Bond back in the 60s.

    Exactly. These are also these flaws that make him grounded and human, with his achievements also looking more heroic in the process, as he experiences fear rather than just rushing into the danger head first.

    This is also the stuff I love about Craig's Bond. He made mistakes, he had blind spots, he wasn't the best at everything. Even if he got rid of some of his humanity when he basically made a Faustian deal with M at the end of Casino Royale, he was a figure with more depth and complexity than before. The very idea that he could sacrifice himself in NTTD is still controversial, but prior to this era, it would have been simply blasphemous, as Bond wasn't supposed to ever be in a situation where such an option could be considered.
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