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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (30th June 2023)

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  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond
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    This looks like so much fun. Here's hoping the plane free fall looks convincing. I remember all the criticism that QoS got when Bond and Camille fall out of the plane. I thought it looked good but I recall at the time it got a lot of flak.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Gone are the days of practical effects. The CGI of Indy jumping from one car to another takes one right out of the scene. I know that Indy isn't the only film series to rely on CGI but I must say I am getting tired of all these CGI stunts and stunt people. The truck chase in Raiders was epic because you knew that real people were doing all the stunt work. You felt more emotionally invested, now it's "oh there's CGI Indy jumping from one car to another". Not the same.

    That being said, Harrison looks great and really dialed in. The score is going to be a triumph and the fun looks to be back!
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond
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    I think they are trying to put more emphasis on practical effects in IJATDOD. Indy jumping from one car to another is, from what I understand, a real stunt. Obviously it's not done by Ford but it's in-camera, not CGI. I think a lot of the stunts here are. So have hope, my friend.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    thedove wrote: »
    Gone are the days of practical effects.
    Tom Cruise disapproves of this message!
    To be fair.... they are doing lots of real stunts in this Indy movie, but looking how we are getting swamped with Marvel and other movies, that are mostly CGI and green screen, I see your point.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    The charm of the original films was not how spectacular the sequences were but how clever they were. The CGI does not bother me half as much as how basic these action scenes look. Hopefully, they rely on Indy "making it up as he goes along" as opposed to just big set pieces.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    thedove wrote: »
    Gone are the days of practical effects. The CGI of Indy jumping from one car to another takes one right out of the scene. I know that Indy isn't the only film series to rely on CGI but I must say I am getting tired of all these CGI stunts and stunt people. The truck chase in Raiders was epic because you knew that real people were doing all the stunt work. You felt more emotionally invested, now it's "oh there's CGI Indy jumping from one car to another". Not the same.

    I’m pretty sure that’s an actual stunt person jumping from one car to another.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Considering Harrison's age, I, for once, don't mind the cgi, as long as it serves the narrative well. This new trailer was, for me, far better than the first, btw.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    I'm certainly determined to get tickets for the first day it comes out in German theatres, in particular the Savoy at Hamburg, which is the only one here that shows major foreign releases in their original language (with or without subtitles, I don't care to that extent).
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Trailer looks excellent. No problem with cgi but most of the stunts in film are indeed practical. Stuff Vic Armstrong would be proud of.
  • Since62Since62
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    I wonder what Ford would have said in 1980 if you'd told him that he'd still be playing Indiana Jones in 2023.

    Perhaps, "I've got a bad feeling about this..." or "I don't know. I'm making it up as I go along."
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2023 Posts: 8,087
    1. Temple
    2. Raiders
    3. Crusade
    4. Kingdom

    I imagine I'll rank DoD between crusade and kingdom but we'll see...
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    I've got many friends that rank TOD ahead of ROTLA, but I have to say...How?
    Raiders IS one of the greatest movies of all time. And if you want to look at it as an action movie only, then it's in the same league as Die Hard. Again How?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TTOD's balance of action, adventure, atmosphere, horror, and comedy is so perfect to me and the film will likely always be locked in as my favorite, but ROTLA is right behind it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2023 Posts: 8,087
    Benny wrote: »
    I've got many friends that rank TOD ahead of ROTLA, but I have to say...How?
    Raiders IS one of the greatest movies of all time. And if you want to look at it as an action movie only, then it's in the same league as Die Hard. Again How?

    Can't really answer that except to say personal taste. I agree raiders is one of the best action films ever made, if not THE best.

    But it does seem like temple has undergone a OHMSS rejuvenation since the 80's when it was considered the worst by far.
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
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    Benny wrote: »
    I've got many friends that rank TOD ahead of ROTLA, but I have to say...How?
    Raiders IS one of the greatest movies of all time. And if you want to look at it as an action movie only, then it's in the same league as Die Hard. Again How?

    Raiders simply has a far superior script to TOD, but Temple is very enjoyable. TLC is just behind Raiders IMO, and TKOTCS is the weakest of the 4 films so far. I do have high hopes for DOD.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    As far as ranking the films, Raiders has the advantage af being the first; a first impression is hard to beat. I believe the same can be said for other franchises such as Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, Dirty Harry and others. While other films in these series are good, the first in each is iconic.

    As far as my personal ranking, Raiders and Crusade are tied for #1, followed by Doom then Skull.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2023 Posts: 5,869
    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as my personal ranking, Raiders and Crusade are tied for #1, followed by Doom then Skull.
    Snap :)
    Although for me Temple of Doom is a very close second to Raiders and Crusade because it's just so fun and full of adventure, and I actually enjoy Willie Scott as a character.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as my personal ranking, Raiders and Crusade are tied for #1, followed by Doom then Skull.
    Snap :)
    Although for me Temple of Doom is a very close second to Raiders and Crusade because it's just so fun and full of adventure, and I actually enjoy Willie Scott as a character.

    The first three are a near perfect trilogy; each are extremely entertaining and have their own identity.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    As far as my personal ranking, Raiders and Crusade are tied for #1, followed by Doom then Skull.
    Snap :)
    Although for me Temple of Doom is a very close second to Raiders and Crusade because it's just so fun and full of adventure, and I actually enjoy Willie Scott as a character.

    The first three are a near perfect trilogy; each are extremely entertaining and have their own identity.

    Agree. I think as far was what I enjoy watching, I'm Crusade -> Raiders is close -> Doom ->->-> Kingdom
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    How much would most of us here give to have had a 1980 to 1990 era Spielberg direct a Bond?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited February 2023 Posts: 1,430
    talos7 wrote: »
    How much would most of us here give to have had a 1980 to 1990 era Spielberg direct a Bond?

    I would have hated the child sidekick he would inevitably cast. "James Bond has to save little Drew Barrymore." Jokes aside, the prospect is awesome, but could go sour.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TEMPLE OF DOOM was my first Indy film, so that might account for why I would rank it at the top. I like RAIDERS but have come to not be as fond of it over time, might even go as far as calling it overrated.
  • Since62Since62
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    Benny wrote: »
    I've got many friends that rank TOD ahead of ROTLA, but I have to say...How?
    Raiders IS one of the greatest movies of all time. And if you want to look at it as an action movie only, then it's in the same league as Die Hard. Again How?

    Same ? Hmm...I've got a bad feeling about that comparison...
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    i still remember going to see Raiders for my 7th birthday in 81 and being scared senseless by the face melting scene . Happy days. I hadnt even seen a Bond film at that point. Raiders is a genius piece of film making.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Raiders was a movie that I saw in the theatre and I loved it. I would have been 11 years old when it came out. I remember wanting to get a fedora! LOL! My Dad told me that we would either see Raiders or FYEO. I chose Raiders as I hadn't really become a mega fan of Bond.

    To me Raiders is head and shoulders above what followed. The action doesn't let up but it all builds to the story and there are no wasted scenes as far as I can tell.

    The start of Doom to me is a great mini movie. Love the Chinese version of "Anything Goes" and the dance number. I give Spielberg and Lucas credit that they made the sequel different from the original. I enjoyed the movie, didn't love it but enjoyed it. Then comes Last Crusade and I didn't like it. To me it felt like a greatest hits of Raiders but with a Dad tagging along. However when I became a Dad many years later, this movie hit differently and I have it higher than Doom.

    Crystal Skull we started to see the effects of CGI. The ant scene was a poor cousin of the snakes, bugs and rats from the first movie. Those animals were real, or at least looked darn real. The ant scene looked like a CGI mess.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best and most important one. My favorite is The Last Crusade.

    Temple of Doom is way too Spielbergy for me, the yelling and frantic chasing, the pauses for slack-jawed awe. And the appropriation of the Short Round name from my favorite Sam Fuller movie rubbed me the wrong way and still does.

    I wouldn't want a Spielberg Bond film from any era.

  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    So Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best and most important one. My favorite is The Last Crusade.

    Agreed. No one is arguing Raiders isn't great, just not everyone's favorite.
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    So Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best and most important one. My favorite is The Last Crusade.

    Agreed. No one is arguing Raiders isn't great, just not everyone's favorite.

    As a film buff, bordering on a film snob, it sometimes makes me feel a bit weird to say that TLC is my favorite of the series, despite the fact that ROTLA is one of the great action adventure films ever made. But in the end, I just love the Ford/Connery relationship and I find that the pacing of TLC is better (the second act of Raiders sags a bit for me). This is all a long way of saying that I think we can all be objective and subjective at the same time.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited February 2023 Posts: 4,416
    I like KOTCS more than Temple of Doom.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    So Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best and most important one. My favorite is The Last Crusade.

    Agreed. No one is arguing Raiders isn't great, just not everyone's favorite.

    As a film buff, bordering on a film snob, it sometimes makes me feel a bit weird to say that TLC is my favorite of the series, despite the fact that ROTLA is one of the great action adventure films ever made. But in the end, I just love the Ford/Connery relationship and I find that the pacing of TLC is better (the second act of Raiders sags a bit for me). This is all a long way of saying that I think we can all be objective and subjective at the same time.

    Fair enough. Controversial opinion of my own: Crystal Skull did well with its setting. It proved that a sequel would have no problem continuing with the late 50s-early 60s. Irina was a enjoyable villain. I’ve overall enjoyed it from the beginning.
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