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OHMSS has more winks and nods than DAD?
Many fans seem to loath the "winks" and "nods" in Die Another Day to past Bond movies, But what about OHMSS? the Title sequence is a lager nod to all the past Bonds. Then there's the midget whistling Goldfinger. And in Bond's office, as he removes gadgets from his desk, a tune from that gadgets particular movie is played. Thoughts?
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but he fails when he says "this never happened to the other fellow"
I don`t get why OHMSS is forgiven for so many naff elements, like the ones you mention. It comes off like a charactature of a Bond film.
Also, doesn`t anyone else here think that the middle of the film drags on and on? With that ridiculous accent dubbed over Lazenbys voice???
As a kid, this film was considered a stinker by me and my childhood friends. I still consider it to be a stinker.
DAD is too, but to a much lesser extent. It still has a fantastic first half.....
In what sense does he 'fail'?
He may as well had looked at the camera and said "hey guys! I`m the new guy, but I am actually playing the same character Connery played, incase you didn`t realise, which is understandable!"
It`s so pantomime....and kills off any kind of edge the film had at that point.
That's what I was thinking. Bond fans just assume he's talking about Connery. It's actually a pretty clever line.
It is clearly a reference to Connery.
He looks at the camera while saying it! It is pure pantomime ("he`s behind you!!")
Lazenby is a total ham throughout. The Goldfinger whistle is painfull too.
Yeah, that didn't need to be there.
Is it the romantic element?
In my eyes, the whole film is a poorly executed oddity in the franchise.
Lazenby looks like such a goof!
I know I`m going against the grain here, but I preffered DAD by a mile.
And you didn't even mention the other fellow line.
As for DAD, I was going to type out five, but I'll just post the Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_another_day#References_to_other_films
To acknowledge that Die Another Day marked the 40th anniversary of the James Bond film series and was the 20th entry in the official series, references to every one of the preceding nineteen films were incorporated.
Like Honey Rider in Dr. No, Jinx is first seen rising out of the sea, wearing a bikini, knife, and belt. The gunbarrel sound from Dr. No can be heard in the background as Bond climbs up the side of a dock after escaping a hospital ship.
Jinx is strapped to a table and threatened with a laser in a reference to Goldfinger. Q's line from Goldfinger, "I never joke about my work," is also reprised.
Bond eating some grapes after a kill inside the clinic is similar to a scene in the health clinic in Thunderball.
Graves' starting a man-made ice mountain avalanche to kill Bond is from On Her Majesty's Secret Service; the uniforms worn by the guards at Graves' ice palace also resemble the ones worn by Blofeld's men at Piz Gloria in that film.
The smuggling of diamonds and the use of a satellite with a powerful laser, and the villain surviving the pre-title sequence and returning with a new identity were the themes lifted from Diamonds Are Forever. When Bond flies back to Britain he is reading a magazine article about Graves with a highlighted quote starting "Diamonds Are Forever". Bond is then approached by an air stewardess played by previous Bond Roger Moore's daughter Deborah Moore. There is also Gustav Graves' comment that "diamonds are for everyone" and the clear, ovate, cross-hatched floor in his office, which was last seen in Willard Whyte's penthouse lair.
Bond going through a room filled with mirrors while chasing Zao in the gene clinic recreates the climatic scene in The Man With The Golden Gun where Bond hunts Scaramanga.
The Union Flag parachute that Graves uses echoes Bond's parachute in The Spy Who Loved Me.
The Venice fight scene in Moonraker wherein display cases and other valuable artefacts are destroyed, was also remade as the fencing match. The exterior of Graves' command centre is a tropical forest, also akin to Moonraker.
The ice chase takes place on the same glacial lagoon location (Jökulsárlón) used in the pre-credits sequence of A View to a Kill.
The Aston Martin car chase on the ice and the climax inside a cargo jet plane are reminiscent of similar sequences in The Living Daylights, while a shot-by-shot reference to the ending of Goldfinger (someone shoots a bullet through a plane window, causing cabin depressurisation and eventually Graves' death through the open window) is used.
The revocation of Bond's licence to kill and his loss of double-0 status traced its origin to Licence to Kill.
Zao's death by impalement and the exploding screens in the command bunker are reminiscent of Goldeneye. Also, both Janus (Goldeneye) and Zao have scars on the right cheek, caused by Bond.
Bond's sleeping with a gun under his pillow is a reference to Paris Carver's comment in Tomorrow Never Dies.
There is also a reference to original Bond producer Harry Saltzman's Harry Palmer movies in that the brainwashing sound heard in The Ipcress File is heard briefly as Bond enters the area of the Los Organos clinic where Zao is being treated.
There are several gadgets that appear in Q's laboratory, such as the shoe blade and trick attaché case that appeared in From Russia with Love, the jet-pack and the underwater rebreather from Thunderball, the 'Snooper' device from A View to a Kill, and the Acro-jet and the alligator submarine from Octopussy. Also, the scene in the Hong Kong hotel room where Bond catches Chang trying to film him making love is a reference to Grant and Klebb filming the same scene in From Russia with Love.
When in Cuba, Bond borrows a 1957 Ford Fairlane, the same year Fairlane as driven by Count Lippe in Thunderball, while Jinx drives a Ford Thunderbird just as Felix Leiter did in Goldfinger
In addition to the film-specific references, Bond's new watch is described as "your twentieth" and the film also refers to the creation of the name "James Bond". When 007 picks up the book Birds of the West Indies, it is a nod to the author of the book, James Bond, whose name Ian Fleming used. The film also mentions land and water speed racer Donald Campbell; post-Fleming Bond author John Pearson wrote a book about him entitled Bluebird and the Dead Lake. Die Another Day is the first film since 1989's Licence to Kill to include notable elements from the James Bond novels. In particular, the name of the North Korean villain Colonel Tan-Sun Moon, traces its origins to that of Kingsley Amis' novel Colonel Sun. A number of elements from Fleming's original novel Moonraker are also included; in both of these, a villain adopts a new identity of a British millionaire and creates a desirable space-device but actually intends to use it for destructive purposes. In addition, the club called Blades, a fencing club in the film, was featured as a card club in Moonraker. According to actress Rosamund Pike in her DVD commentary track for the film, her character Miranda Frost was originally named Gala Brand, which was the name of a character in the Moonraker novel, but this was changed before filming began.
When I first saw the movie, I also read it as a jab at Conners, but the Dutch subtitles said "De andere had er maar een", translated this would mean "The other guy only had one", thus it can really be taken both ways!
In line with the franchise, it means Connery. In line with the movie and the moment, it means Cinderella
I've never heard such ridiculous tripe in all my life.
Poorly executed? With some of the best action sequences and location photography of the series? With possibly the best script of the series and one of the best scores?
Lazenby a goof? When does that happen exactly? Is it when hes smashing the f**k out of various adversaries in the best fights since Bond v Grant (the beach, the hotel room, Piz Gloria reception, the bell room) or is it when he cockily strides into the casino looking smoother than the Fonz himself? Or is it when he gives as good as he gets with Bernard Lee in some of the best M/Bond scenes of the series? What about when hes coldly choking the guy behind a tree to keep him quiet - whilst at the same time showing real fear that he might be caught (something that even Connery only managed to convey once when he was on his knees on the Orient Express). Or how about the final assault on Piz Gloria where he cooly slides along the ice mowing down goons and then gives the king of double takes as the lab technician throws some acid at him?
Theres only one goof around here sir and its certainly not the Laz.
I think your use of the horrendous term 'franchise' betrays where you are coming from. 'Franchise' describes a production line of crap such as Mcdonalds or KFC so if thats what you prefer then DAD is certainly right up your alley as the Big Mac of Bond films. I prefer Dom Perignon and Royal Beluga (North of the Caspian obviously!) myself.
OHMSS is as close to what Fleming put on the page as we have ever had on the screen and if you are seriously saying you prefer invisble cars, sub Carry On double entendres and a CGI overload then you might want to consider turning your allegiance to 'franchises' such as Transformers, Charlies Angels or Avatar as I dont really think Bond is for you.
Honestly if the moment Bond straps on his skis in Piz Gloria as John Barry quietly revs the engine of the OHMSS theme before giving it full throttle doesnt get your heart racing then you really have no right to call yourself a Bond fan.
Each to his own and I've no problem with people who say they prefer FRWL, CR or (god forbid) even TMWTGG to OHMSS but to say you prefer the embarassment of DAD to possibly the highest point of the series marks you out as an imbecile who has no appreciation of what Bond is about - because I can tell you for one thing its not DAD.
You, sir, deserve a standing ovation for this!
The winks at the past were tasteful in OHMSS and weren't spat at us or completely and utterly flashed at us like in DAD. OHMSS is a good film, while DAD is a lost opportunity.
The ski chases are top, except for the ski jump in TSWLM the ski scenes here pale in comparison and same can be said of all other subsequent ski chases (FYEO, TWINE, AVTAK). Seeing the fight with Blofeld in the bobsleigh is full of heart stopping action.
As for the references to earlier films, these scenes work very well and were not so blatant as in that trainwreck, DAD.
Anyone who tries to trash this great film doesn't have enough gray matter to form complete sentences let alone appreciate a quality piece of art work.
You left out when he says to Tracy "A little about women." That's a reference to Connery's "I know a little about women" line in TB. The "winks" and "nods" in OHMSS never bothered me. For that matter, the "winks" and "nods" in DAD never really bothered me either.
Wow. A stirring defence of true Bondism against the assualt of the Brozzo boys. Brilliant.
Gentlemen I am humbled by your kind words - although at the end of the day all I am doing is pointing out the bleeding obvious which anyone who knows their Bondian onions can plainly see for themselves.
It might seem like the obvious but round here you sometimes feel like the lunatics have taken over the asylum. Plus, you make your point with wit and charm. Much appreciated.
Wise words and quite correct Wiz, BUT I would suggest you refrain from referring to any fellow members as an 'imbecile'. We can all offer opinions without any personal insult.
I will say though that (IMO) Brozza also worked well with Michelle Yeoh and Sophie Marceau.