Would you rather watch AVTAK (36%) OR NSNA (71%)? Rotten Tomato Ranking battles!

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  • Posts: 5,311
    OP for me!
  • Posts: 705
    Could a major movie called Octopussy even be released internationally nowadays?

  • Posts: 16,517
    OCTOPUSSY
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred San Monique
    Posts: 1,416
    Going to give it to TMWTGG. Have more fun with this one. Though I do prefer Moores performance in OP.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,270
    thedove wrote: »
    Before we evolve into something else lets do a second last Rotten Tomato battle. One of these films getting a lower mark isn't a shocker but the other one was.

    Would you rather watch OP (42%) OR TMWTGG (40%)

    After the grounded FYEO it was decided to go back to a bigger action adventure movie. OP was going to have competition...Bond and as such it was marketed as "An All Time High". A true Cold War adventure Bond is dressed as a clown, a bomb is smuggled along with Russian jewels. We have one villain chewing up the scenery with Berkoff playing Orlov with aplomb. Good chemistry with Adams.

    Definitely OP for the reasons stated here. Also, I have to pick the film that gave me my codename here.

    That stated I have a lot of affection for TMWTGG as well. I'd rather watch either of the Maud Adams Bond films than the majority of Brosnan/Craig era films(lone exception being CR'06).

    @thedove Will the 2 non-official Bond films CR'67 and NSNA'83 be participating in this contest?

  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    Posts: 1,053
    Octopussy by large margin.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,908
    Neither of these I liked, but going with OP, I can tolerate it than TMWTGG 😅.
  • Posts: 1,150
    OP was disappointingly silly after the more grounded FYEO. Golden Gun is a lukewarm affair, but I'd rather watch that than OP.
    Neither excite me very much, to be honest.

  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 356
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?
  • Posts: 8,262
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?

    Pierce Brosnans???
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 356
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?

    Pierce Brosnans???

    Mamma Mia!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,525
    Rewatched both very recently and I really like both.

    Firstly, silly humour is in both, and quite frankly it's in every entry between DAF and AVTAK, including films like TSWLM or FYEO. If that's not your cup of tea, then I'd say that entire era isn't for you. I'm trying to say that what goes for one goes for the other too. Of you hate Rog grabbing a sumowrestler's behind or doing a Tarzan yell, I can't quite grasp how the desert circus jingle in TSWLM is any better. Point is, I won't hold silliness against any of them, that's just part of the Bond film concept for this era.

    Now, OP is a good Cold War spy thriller and probably, together with TLD, ignited my interest in the Iron Curtain and, in the case of OP, also for the Inner German Border. Looking at it now though, and having read and seen so much about it, I can clearly see this one's isn't filmed in the GDR. Understandably of course, but it's still noticeable. The 009 stalking is for instance obviously taking place on the Western side of the Wall, because you can see the guard towers on the other side.

    Nitpicking I know, but we all have our pet peeves. What I do love though are Maud Adams, Steven Berkoff, Kristina Wayborn, a big chunk of the action scenes and Bond driving an Alfa Romeo.

    TMWTGG has always been a favourite for me and that won't change anytime soon. I had a great rewatch of it lately, so I'll repeat my words from another thread:

    "I know the plot doesn't always makes sense and I know Bond isn't too kind to several characters in the film (incl., rather ill-advised, a kid). Yet, I just can't help but really enjoy this film. There's just something so intriguing about the thing, with that South East Asian atmosphere, that sinister John Barry score, the likeable Bond girls (even though regretfully not done any favours by 007 himself it must be said), that Golden Gun, the quirkiness of Nick Nack, the eery funhouse and of course the titular villain himself Sir Christopher Lee as Francisco Scaramanga, my favourite main villain of them all. I'll be the first to admit 'Golden Gun' isn't perfect, but it remains one of my favourites nonetheless."

    In conclusion, I have (a lot of) fondness for both, but TMWTGG is my preferred choice here.
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    There's silly humor in all those movies, but I'm not going to say that OP is the same as FYEO.

    Or that Moonraker is the same as The Spy Who Loved Me.

    By this rule DAD is quite similar to GE, right?
  • Posts: 2,267
    Octopussy was my first ever Bond, and is still a firm favourite, so definitely that over TMWTGG.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 356
    There's silly humor in all those movies, but I'm not going to say that OP is the same as FYEO.

    Or that Moonraker is the same as The Spy Who Loved Me.

    By this rule DAD is quite similar to GE, right?

    dad and GE are so far apart from one another, it's
    painful.
  • Posts: 5,311
    DAD is more of DAF riff I'd argue. But I agree, they're not the same either.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,103
    OP, by a tentacle.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,908
    There's silly humor in all those movies, but I'm not going to say that OP is the same as FYEO.

    Or that Moonraker is the same as The Spy Who Loved Me.

    By this rule DAD is quite similar to GE, right?

    MR not the same as TSWLM? But the former repeated the latter right?
    Maybe add YOLT to that group.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 29 Posts: 1,904
    Any respectable critic would say Octopussy for many of the reasons stated above. TMWTGG feels like the shell of a movie, and OP is less passively offensive.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited May 29 Posts: 546
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?

    This one apparently
    Perhaps you should try the IMDb Universe instead?

    DAD ranks bottom over there, with 6.1
    OP is at #18, with 6.5 (tied with DAF, TND and QOS)
    and TMWTGG is a surprising (to me at least) #12, with 6.7 (tied with LALD, LTK, FYEO, TLD and OHMSS)

    CR is #1, with an 8.0
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,735
    OP easily, for me. It's just a more entertaining and assured film.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 356
    Seve wrote: »
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?

    This one apparently

    Aye, rotten tomatoes' twilight zone of batshit crazy ratings.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    Posts: 2,239
    Slide whistle vs. Tarzan yell ? I'd take the whistle.
    There's just something about the Hamilton films (even the lesser ones) I find positively alluring, whether it's the quirky villains, sharp dialogue, not to mention Barry at its finest (I absolutely love the score for TMWTGG)
  • edited May 29 Posts: 2,020
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Slide whistle vs. Tarzan yell ? I'd take the whistle.
    There's just something about the Hamilton films (even the lesser ones) I find positively alluring, whether it's the quirky villains, sharp dialogue, not to mention Barry at its finest (I absolutely love the score for TMWTGG)

    By Moore's standards, TMWTGG isn't so silly. Even JW Pepper had a bigger role in LALD.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 356
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Slide whistle vs. Tarzan yell ? I'd take the whistle.
    There's just something about the Hamilton films (even the lesser ones) I find positively alluring, whether it's the quirky villains, sharp dialogue, not to mention Barry at its finest (I absolutely love the score for TMWTGG)

    The Octopussy score is fantastic.

    As for TMWTGG, for a character centred around a dangerous assassin, there is complete absence of tension. A mistake even Moonraker and Octopussy resisted.
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Slide whistle vs. Tarzan yell ? I'd take the whistle.
    There's just something about the Hamilton films (even the lesser ones) I find positively alluring, whether it's the quirky villains, sharp dialogue, not to mention Barry at its finest (I absolutely love the score for TMWTGG)

    By Moore's standards, TMWTGG isn't so silly. Even JW Pepper had a bigger role in LALD.

    It's easiest the silliest Moore, dude, and I include the one where he went to space in that conclusion.



  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited May 29 Posts: 356
    Seve wrote: »
    dad having ten percent higher rating than Octopussy is another seedy score from rotten tomatoes

    In what universe is dad ten percent better than OP?

    This one apparently
    Perhaps you should try the IMDb Universe instead?

    DAD ranks bottom over there, with 6.1
    OP is at #18, with 6.5 (tied with DAF, TND and QOS)
    and TMWTGG is a surprising (to me at least) #12, with 6.7 (tied with LALD, LTK, FYEO, TLD and OHMSS)

    CR is #1, with an 8.0

    Sounds worse, chief, but thanks for the heads-up.

    I think maybe reading individual accounts is better than the final accumulation, as this site proves.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited May 29 Posts: 546
    I think maybe reading individual accounts is better than the final accumulation, as this site proves.

    True dat, I don't take any notice of the overall rating, but it's my go-to place for looking at reviews to get a feel for whether I'm likely to enjoy a film I don't know much about

    Filtering either on most votes (from those who have read the review) or prolific reviewer
    By Moore's standards, TMWTGG isn't so silly. Even JW Pepper had a bigger role in LALD.

    Recycling JW Pepper is one of its problems IMO Bond movies should not recycle minor comic relief characters just because the audience liked them first time around (ditto Jaws, who was ruined in MR)

    JW Pepper has no relevance to the plot TMWTGG and the chances of an American Sheriff from one of the Southern States taking a holiday in Thailand in the early 1970s is about the same as that of the proverbial snowball in hell.

    As I've mentioned elsewhere, the most amazing thing about JW Pepper is that his appearance in LALD marks the first example of a comic relief Southern Sheriff in movie history as far as I can tell, predating Burt Reynolds etc
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Slide whistle vs. Tarzan yell ? I'd take the whistle.

    The whistle is more of a crime, because it undermines an exceptional stunt which should be a thrilling moment not a joke

    The Tarzan yell is just corny and embarrassing
    As for TMWTGG, for a character centred around a dangerous assassin, there is complete absence of tension.

    That sums it up for me, TMWTGG is just a bit flat
    A mistake even Moonraker and Octopussy resisted.

    Not so sure about MR either, but OP definitely has some moments of tension
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,978
    echo wrote: »
    OP easily, for me. It's just a more entertaining and assured film.

    Same. OP easily.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,908
    Seve wrote: »
    Not so sure about MR either, but OP definitely has some moments of tension

    MR has tense moments like the fight scene with Chang in Venice, the Brazilian Alleys with Jaws, or that second encounter with him in Amazon, or the centrifuge scene, it also has some moments of tension too.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,280
    Octopussy

    Scaramanga almost saves TMWTGG, but not even he can elevate enough. It's flat, it's dumb, and when Lee is not on screen it's really very dull. Bottom two Bond film for me alongside Diamonds.
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