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Would you rather watch LALD (67%) OR QOS (63%) Rotten Tomato Ranking battles!

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  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    I think these RT scores are too low for both films. As for the question, Daylights slightly edges out FYEO for me but both are superb Bond films.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yeah you can see how the hardcore fans here would likely disagree with the general public.

    I was surprised to see NTTD rated so highly on RT. But likely the general public is more forgiving and less emotionally invested.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Oh, I don't agree with some of these RT scores, but I can definitely see why these films have gotten them. I think both TLD and FYEO are films that'll be looked on more fondly by fans than general audiences (both are examples of an era where the Bond series became a bit more stripped back in terms of budget, and don't always hold up for everyone in terms of style, or indeed story. To be entirely fair FYEO doesn't hold up for me entirely in terms of story!)

    There's also an element of 'how can they not agree with my opinion?!' Frustrating as it is, not much we can do about that ;)
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I also think those of us who really enjoy the Fleming novels are more likely to praise something like FYEO, TLD, LTK or OHMSS for the inclusion of Fleming(esque) material, while general audiences are more inclined to enjoy entries that have had more impact on pop culture in general.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,720
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I also think those of us who really enjoy the Fleming novels are more likely to praise something like FYEO, TLD, LTK or OHMSS for the inclusion of Fleming(esque) material, while general audiences are more inclined to enjoy entries that have had more impact on pop culture in general.

    I completely agree. I don't think the general public sees, say, TSWLM and GF as substantially different Bondian experiences but the more hardcore fans do.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    In looking back on my most recent rankings I had FYEO at #7 and TLD at #10, but today I would probably reverse those. For me this is yet another very close paring.

    TLD
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
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    For Your Eyes Only was once cited by Raymond Benson in an interview as the Bond movie that re-ignited his interest in the movie franchise, and led to the Bedside Companion, which was something of a benchmark publication at the time. Back then, a 'serious Bond film' was something of a revelation. I've never actually thought it was that serious though, with the ice-hockey scene, Thatcher at the end, the Blofeld head-slap etc. But I suppose coming after Moonraker, FYEO was quite grounded.
    The Living Daylights is a more exciting movie though. They always seem to pull the stops out for the first Bond flick for a new actor, and they certainly did with TLD. I find it more of a spy film than FYEO actually, with Smiert Spionem (sp?) mentioned, and the plot really works with Bond posing as Yorgi's friend. For the fairground scene alone, it earns its place at the top of the tree, the "yes, I got the message" bit. TD was such a great Bond.
    Two great Bond films, to be sure. But The Living Daylights is the greater.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited 8:42am Posts: 1,988
    ColonelAdamski wrote: »
    For Your Eyes Only was once cited by Raymond Benson in an interview as the Bond movie that re-ignited his interest in the movie franchise, and led to the Bedside Companion, which was something of a benchmark publication at the time. Back then, a 'serious Bond film' was something of a revelation. I've never actually thought it was that serious though, with the ice-hockey scene, Thatcher at the end, the Blofeld head-slap etc. But I suppose coming after Moonraker, FYEO was quite grounded.
    The Living Daylights is a more exciting movie though. They always seem to pull the stops out for the first Bond flick for a new actor, and they certainly did with TLD. I find it more of a spy film than FYEO actually, with Smiert Spionem (sp?) mentioned, and the plot really works with Bond posing as Yorgi's friend. For the fairground scene alone, it earns its place at the top of the tree, the "yes, I got the message" bit. TD was such a great Bond.
    Two great Bond films, to be sure. But The Living Daylights is the greater.


    The movie was serious enough that they added more humor in the next one.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited 9:07am Posts: 1,147
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.

    Completely. With Sean, Rog and certainly Craig, I always had a feeling of 'yea, they've run their course' when viewing their final Bond film. It even could be argued they had one too many, but Tim had a few too few.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    edited 1:08pm Posts: 8,180
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.

    You and me both mate! It's always with a tinge of sadness I watch LTK thinking we ALMOST got a third one, he was still expected to star in Bond 17 ( and I recall they had hoarding up in Cannes film festival with his image and Bond 17!) 😪
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,508
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.

    You and me both mate! It's always with a tinge of sadness I watch LTK thinking we ALMOST got a third one, he was still expected to star in Bond 17 ( and I recall they had hoarding up in Cannes film festival with his image and Bond 17!) 😪

    Wow, really? Any images of that to be found somewhere on the internet?
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    edited 3:32pm Posts: 8,180
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.

    You and me both mate! It's always with a tinge of sadness I watch LTK thinking we ALMOST got a third one, he was still expected to star in Bond 17 ( and I recall they had hoarding up in Cannes film festival with his image and Bond 17!) 😪

    Wow, really? Any images of that to be found somewhere on the internet?

    I'm sure you can! Someone more savvy at that kind of thing than me, could probably source it and put it up here!
    Edit, I've just looked it up on Mr. Google and it is indeed there, if someone could put it up here for anyone who's never seen it?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,508
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Each Bondathon that I do, I come to the same conclusion: what a shame that we only have two Bond films with Tim.

    You and me both mate! It's always with a tinge of sadness I watch LTK thinking we ALMOST got a third one, he was still expected to star in Bond 17 ( and I recall they had hoarding up in Cannes film festival with his image and Bond 17!) 😪

    Wow, really? Any images of that to be found somewhere on the internet?

    I'm sure you can! Someone more savvy at that kind of thing than me, could probably source it and put it up here!
    Edit, I've just looked it up on Mr. Google and it is indeed there, if someone could put it up here for anyone who's never seen it?

    Here it is:

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    Makes me want it even more :))
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great battle back and forth. I have grown to love TLD more in the last few years. I especially love the film up to the climax. I find the duel at the end with Whitaker to be a let down. FYEO has always been loved and is a sentimental favourite of mine.

    If I am forced to choose, I am putting TLD in the Blu-Ray player.

    Now on to our next battle.

    Would you rather watch LALD (67%) OR QOS (63%)?

    The first film of Roger's era, LALD has a cool 70's vibe. Yaphet Kotto is one of the stronger villains. I love how he has style and grace all his own. Too bad his death at the end is a bit of a cartoonish death. Jane Seymour makes her film debut and has nice chemistry with Roger. Course we get to meet Sheriff JW Pepper who seemed to inspire Jackie Gleason in the Bandit movies.

    Rotten Tomatoes says While not one of the highest-rated Bond films, Live and Let Die finds Roger Moore adding his stamp to the series with flashes of style and an improved sense of humor.

    OR

    The second film to star Daniel Craig. The film moves at a quick clip. The editing is at time confusing and on a small screen hard to follow. The Opera sequence is a stand out as is the hotel finale. This was meant to be a direct follow up to CR taking place literally a few minutes after the end of CR.

    Rotten Tomatoes says Brutal and breathless, Quantum Of Solace delivers tender emotions along with frenetic action, but coming on the heels of Casino Royale, it's still a bit of a disappointment.

    Which one would you rather watch?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,588
    QoS.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    Posts: 2,234
    LALD by faaaaaaaaaar
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,246
    LALD. And LALD. And LALD. The only thing that entices me to watch QOS again is the chance of seeing further details that I missed due to the shitty editing. Flared trousers are the far lesser of two evils.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    That's a tough one for me, as I'm really fond of LALD, had a really good watch of it recently, has loads good stuff in it, apart from great debut from Roger , terrific set of villains, exciting set pieces and a kick ass theme......However, I'm going to go with QoS, as it just gets better and better with each viewing! Craig is fabulous, underrated villains, gorgeous leading lady, great action, and lots of Fleming like sequences!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Similar to an earlier comment I made...I've seen LALD a lot more than QoS and they're about on par for me so the edge goes to the newer film. QoS is also much more of a mess than LALD but there is something about Craig in QoS that is so watchable.

    I'll go with QoS.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 5,265
    I enjoy LALD more, but both are flawed, and interesting films.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,543
    LALD without a doubt. QOS slowly gets better with each viewing but still ranks towards the bottom for me - whereas LALD features one of my favorite Bond performances from Sir Roger. Remarkable debut.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited 6:39pm Posts: 1,147
    Live and Let Die, easily.

    If you want a good laugh, compare the theme songs to these two Bond movies. Ludicrous.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,988
    LALD. At least it has some charm.

    QoS would be better if it were a Jason Statham movie. As a Bond film, it's pretty frustrating.

  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    LALD. At least it has some charm.

    QoS would be better if it were a Jason Statham movie. As a Bond film, it's pretty frustrating.

    Of all the QOS criticisms, this is a new one I’ve heard.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 7:10pm Posts: 5,265
    One thing you can say about QOS is it's thoughtful. I don't see how it's like a Jason Statham movie at all (I often think many of them come off as more 'budget Bond' than vice versa if that makes sense). Even in terms of the editing frankly I don't see it.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Yes, Statham doesn't get that much of a budget. I'm speaking hypothetically.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,543
    007HallY wrote: »
    One thing you can say about QOS is it's thoughtful. I don't see how it's like a Jason Statham movie at all (I often think many of them come off as more 'budget Bond' than vice versa if that makes sense). Even in terms of the editing frankly I don't see it.

    I think there is a good film in QOS beneath all the issues. But it’s much more Jason Bourne than Jason Statham - and even then the comparisons are fleeting.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited 7:34pm Posts: 1,988
    A poor man's Bourne but a rich man's Statham too.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    A poor man's Bourne but a rich man's Statham too.

    Neither of the two if you ask me. Understated humour, Bond beeing true to his duty no matter what, help from a leading lady with a backstory that makes sense so you actually feel for her, exotic locations, and a villain as creepy as can be. I think it's (one of the ) best Bond films by far. If there's one film in which he shows character, caring, and devotion to his job it's this one.

    So, QoS for me. Even though I think LALD is a fantastic movie, and a good introduction to perhaps not my favorite Bond, but at least the Bond played by an actor whom I personally highly respect and admire.
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