Would you rather Bond26 released in the summer OR in the Christmas season?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 27 Posts: 17,899
    thedove wrote: »

    That being said he was obviously hitting the notes given to him in the script and with Glen's direction.

    I think that's the important thing: the actor doesn't decide how a scene is played- the director does. No one should blame Hedison for that.
    Venutius wrote: »
    LTK. I can still hear the almighty clang that dropped the first time I saw it. Leiter's lost his leg and his new wife's been raped and murdered after the wedding, but instead of grim satisfaction at the villain's demise, he's laughing and joshing. Couldn't've been much more inappropriate and wrong note. IMO, obvs.

    Funny thing is he's actually had it worse than Bond did at the end of OHMSS, but silly old Jimmy was moping about crying at that point whereas Felix is having a great time. Maybe we should have been watching him instead all this time? :D
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    The ending of LTK awful, like much of the entire film. A TV movie-of-the-week back then, with rogue law enforcement agent going against drug gangster. They were common at the time. The whole bit with Pam acting like a teenage girl was just pathetic. Great actors wasted on a lousy story and script.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited April 28 Posts: 221
    Since62 wrote: »
    The ending of LTK awful, like much of the entire film. A TV movie-of-the-week back then, with rogue law enforcement agent going against drug gangster. They were common at the time. The whole bit with Pam acting like a teenage girl was just pathetic. Great actors wasted on a lousy story and script.

    Berating LtK for being contemporaneous is berating Moonraker for being like Star Wars, or Skyfall for being like The Dark Knight (i could go on).

    Fact is agent 007's greatest enemy is, was and forever shall be the box-office. LTK is and was no different save for one crucial regard: It's Bond.

    Nobody does it better.
  • SeanoSeano Minnesota. No, it's not always cold.
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    LTK. So tonally off. Should have been Bond and Pam reuniting with Felix in person.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Since62 wrote: »
    The ending of LTK awful, like much of the entire film. A TV movie-of-the-week back then, with rogue law enforcement agent going against drug gangster. They were common at the time. The whole bit with Pam acting like a teenage girl was just pathetic. Great actors wasted on a lousy story and script.

    I'm sorry for you that you cannot find any joy in a Bond film that has an excellent story, has superb action and has our 007 cleverly infiltrating the villain's organisation to make his opponent suspicious of his own crew. Not to mention the several Fleming elements used here.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    The ending of LTK awful, like much of the entire film. A TV movie-of-the-week back then, with rogue law enforcement agent going against drug gangster. They were common at the time. The whole bit with Pam acting like a teenage girl was just pathetic. Great actors wasted on a lousy story and script.

    I'm sorry for you that you cannot find any joy in a Bond film that has an excellent story, has superb action and has our 007 cleverly infiltrating the villain's organisation to make his opponent suspicious of his own crew. Not to mention the several Fleming elements used here.

    Yep, couldn't agree more!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I think of FYEO as more of a low key European Soap Opera TV series.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Interesting takes presented by both sides. I do think these endings stand out as not matching the tone that the film makers were going for in the main film.

    Okay, time to move on. Another fantasy one!

    Would you prefer the same actor portrays Blofeld all the films, or that the films featuring Blofeld are released in the chronological order of the books?

    This is one to ponder. You can keep the films as is in terms of continuity. But you get to have the same actor play Blofeld. So YOTL, OHMSS and DAF all keep Blofeld but now played by the same actor, you decide who that is.

    OR

    We get the films in the order of the books, TB, OHMSS, YOLT. In this case DAF would get a different villain. Bond would be played by Connery in TB and OHMSS and Lazenby would take over for YOLT.

    This nearly happened, as OHMSS was set to go after GF until McClory came forward to offer up TB. Then EON considered OHMSS as the follow up to TB but it was felt to be too similar in story beats and so they went with YOLT.

    Which would have rather happen? Be creative and think about it and give us your answer.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    I'd prefer Blofeld was in no more than one, maybe two films. The latest series was correct to have him offed, though it was probably more to do with miscast Waltz more than anything else.

    A better literary character.
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    The Blofeld trilogy would only work if they didn't change the Bond actor.

    And if Bond can change, why not Blofeld?

    So I don't know. Neither possibility fixes the matter.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    The Blofeld trilogy would only work if they didn't change the Bond actor.

    And if Bond can change, why not Blofeld?

    So I don't know. Neither possibility fixes the matter.

    Have different actor with obvious dubbing per film.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Personally, I like the Blofeld we don't see the most. TB is the best film in tht regard, and QoS is quite a good contender. I don't unerstand why they needed to give the organisation that name though, it wasn't necessary.

    At the same time, I don't really need th films to follow Fleming's story line. I think films are all together completely different beasts. Wht makes sense in the books, doesn't per se work in films. take the opening of TMWTGG (book). It wouldn't translate very well to film at all.
    SO, can't really choose, as both are not quite necessary.
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    At the same time, I don't really need th films to follow Fleming's story line. I think films are all together completely different beasts. Wht makes sense in the books, doesn't per se work in films. take the opening of TMWTGG (book). It wouldn't translate very well to film at all.
    SO, can't really choose, as both are not quite necessary.

    Yeah, I’d agree more or less with this. Even the different Blofelds in the early films are quite different from one another, and having those changing actors play the character arguably adds something.

    I suppose if I had to go with one of the two options, it’d be the second one. It simply means the Blofeld films are released in the order of Fleming, not that we necessarily get a faithful YOLT adaptation (I love the book incidentally and think parts of it have been adapted well in Craig’s era, but I don’t think it’d make a great film in itself, at least not without significant changes).
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    007HallY wrote: »

    At the same time, I don't really need th films to follow Fleming's story line. I think films are all together completely different beasts. Wht makes sense in the books, doesn't per se work in films. take the opening of TMWTGG (book). It wouldn't translate very well to film at all.
    SO, can't really choose, as both are not quite necessary.

    Yeah, I’d agree more or less with this. Even the different Blofelds in the early films are quite different from one another, and having those changing actors play the character arguably adds something.

    I suppose if I had to go with one of the two options, it’d be the second one. It simply means the Blofeld films are released in the order of Fleming, not that we necessarily get a faithful YOLT adaptation (I love the book incidentally and think parts of it have been adapted well in Craig’s era, but I don’t think it’d make a great film in itself, at least not without significant changes).

    Fleming's stories, prose and narrative are usually awful. I'd take the character, pay whatever royalty his estate wants and leave it there.

    If such burns, go and read the books.
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    007HallY wrote: »

    At the same time, I don't really need th films to follow Fleming's story line. I think films are all together completely different beasts. Wht makes sense in the books, doesn't per se work in films. take the opening of TMWTGG (book). It wouldn't translate very well to film at all.
    SO, can't really choose, as both are not quite necessary.

    Yeah, I’d agree more or less with this. Even the different Blofelds in the early films are quite different from one another, and having those changing actors play the character arguably adds something.

    I suppose if I had to go with one of the two options, it’d be the second one. It simply means the Blofeld films are released in the order of Fleming, not that we necessarily get a faithful YOLT adaptation (I love the book incidentally and think parts of it have been adapted well in Craig’s era, but I don’t think it’d make a great film in itself, at least not without significant changes).

    Fleming's stories, prose and narrative are usually awful. I'd take the character, pay whatever royalty his estate wants and leave it there.

    If such burns, go and read the books.

    I think Fleming's prose is pretty great, as is his creativity for stories. Plotting's very hit or miss (but honestly, that's the same for the films). I certainly don't agree with you, but to each their own.
  • 007HallY wrote: »

    At the same time, I don't really need th films to follow Fleming's story line. I think films are all together completely different beasts. Wht makes sense in the books, doesn't per se work in films. take the opening of TMWTGG (book). It wouldn't translate very well to film at all.
    SO, can't really choose, as both are not quite necessary.

    Yeah, I’d agree more or less with this. Even the different Blofelds in the early films are quite different from one another, and having those changing actors play the character arguably adds something.

    I suppose if I had to go with one of the two options, it’d be the second one. It simply means the Blofeld films are released in the order of Fleming, not that we necessarily get a faithful YOLT adaptation (I love the book incidentally and think parts of it have been adapted well in Craig’s era, but I don’t think it’d make a great film in itself, at least not without significant changes).

    Fleming's stories, prose and narrative are usually awful. I'd take the character, pay whatever royalty his estate wants and leave it there.

    If such burns, go and read the books.

    Such an opinion is tantamount to heresy!

    But seriously, I don't see any validity in your criticisms. The stories do a great job of treading the line between fiction and reality. The prose is fine, descriptive but not flowery and does a good job of immersing the reader. As for the narrative, quality varies, but for the most part they do the job (and surpass it cases as well).

    It's no coincidence that the better Bond films are more "Fleming-esque" and their pitfalls rarely lie with any issue in the material.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Okay lets move on to another scenario that requires us to think which film would we rather "fix".

    Would you rather LALD start with a proper introduction for Moore's Bond OR Pierce's first appearance not occur in a toilet stall?

    Roger Moore took over the role and the decision was made to not make a big thing of this. The feeling that the audience hadn't warmed to George in OHMSS because the film kept hitting the audience over the head with "same Bond as Connery". This meant Roger never received a true showcase first appearance of Bond. He doesn't even appear in the PTS. Our first glimpse of him is in bed with the talented agent from Italy. Many decry this and wish Roger had a signature scene to introduce him to the audience.

    In GE we see a hidden figure rushing a dam, jumping from an impossible high height and doing a bungee jump. The figure is seen with eyes only as he lasers the hatch. Next we fully see him in the toilet punching out a Russian guard. Not exactly a cool introduction to the new fella. There were deleted scenes where we see Bond taking out the guardhouse. One wonders if we could have introduced Pierce in a cooler way.

    Which one would you rather we fix?
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    GE...reason: the intro of Moore as Bond, with goofy attempts at "Humor" and Bond acting like a snob actually WERE appropriate introductions to the new light-hearted Bond.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I may have used this one before but now that we know Amazon is the main producers the answer might change. Perhaps they will think differently about when to release the next film.

    Would you rather Bond26 be released in the summer OR at Christmas?

    It has been a while since a Bond film was released in the summer months. I believe we are going back to LTK in 1989. NTTD was never planned as a summer release and we ended up with a Spring release. For the most part Bond has been a staple of the Christmas film season. Should this continue with Amazon? Or should we see a Bond film head to theatres in the summer?
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    The November timeframe is perfect where it falls around thanksgiving and still plays around Christmas
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    In the days of cinema, summer release for big movies has always been a thing for the U.S., because people wanted to get into an air-conditioned building to avoid the heat (when Europeans mostly enjoyed being outside at night). In Europe, the very same movies tended to be released shortly before Christmas, so the people could do something in the evening (besides staying cuddled up at home) that helped them avoid the cold. I don't see what difference this makes if the next Bond film is first released for streaming by Amazon. If they do choose an initial movie theatre release, which I'd welcome, they may consider the pattern described in my first sentences. Other than that, I'm partial to get the next Bond movie as soon as possible... seasons be damned!
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Begin Decembe with long view in cinema, so i have a option January.

    Goldeneye: 12 or 13 December 1995 with mother, brother and 2 friends of my mother
    TMND: 14 December 1997 (Limited) with my mother. My brother watched in another cinema with my mothers boyfriend.
    Twine: 12 January 2000 with mother, brother and mothers boyfriend.
    DAD: 09 January 2003 (Release date) with my brother and cousin (Son of my Aunt).
    CR: 24 January 2007 with and thanks mothers boyfriend. 2 weaks later and have mist it.
    QOS: 17 December 2008 with mothers boyfriend
    SF: 22 November 2012 with my brother and another person. At 22:15 :-q and i was not happy with that, but earlier was not possible.
    Spectre: 30 November 2015 with my brother. Not in Amsterdam, but in Haarlem.
    NTTD: 31 October 2021. At 17:30 :D. Alone (with only other people in cinema)

    My mother and i watched very long wait tv première of Spectre together, but Corona and long screentime of NTTD is the biggest reasen why i choose that time and go alone..

    So far NTTD was showed 4 times on tv, but it is American Cut of the movie and not Universal moon version as seen in cinema. I not feel the need to watched it. If liked trailers of Bond 26 and curious enough and if it stil be in cinema's after a month big change i wil see Bond 26 in cinema. But if no Bluray then Bond 26 wil be last one.. if i already not deside Daniel Craig was second and last Bond actor i watch in cinema.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    YES

    (Christmas IS summer here)
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    QBranch wrote: »
    YES

    (Christmas IS summer here)

    Where in the southern hemisphere are you?

    Personally, I'd rather have it released round November.
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