SPECTRE: In Particular, Ernst Stavro Blofeld

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  • Posts: 15,780
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.007.info/the-other-blofeld-looking-back-on-telly-savalas-2/

    An interesting viewpoint on Telly’s Blofeld. He is often overlooked as a good Bond villain.

    Interesting article. What I like about Savalas is that he had a distinctive "foreign" look.

    I think he looked like a gangster.

    I think he acted like a gangster. But he looked very distinctive, without the use of short cuts (scar, patch eye). Obviously Savalas was of Greek origins, but his bald head gave him a sort of ambiguity. He definitely doesn't look WASP (unlike Pleasence, who without the scar has a British civil servant vibe), but neither does he really look Mediterranean.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited June 13 Posts: 5,064
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.007.info/the-other-blofeld-looking-back-on-telly-savalas-2/

    An interesting viewpoint on Telly’s Blofeld. He is often overlooked as a good Bond villain.

    Interesting article. What I like about Savalas is that he had a distinctive "foreign" look (for lack of a better word).

    Yes, Savalas is foreign enough to look like a genuine villain.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Savalas's Blofeld is the greatest villain in the entire film series. A true intellectual and physical archnemesis to James Bond. Frankly I think he puts all the other on-screen Blofelds to shame.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    In my opinion Telly Savalas is the best film Blofeld by a country mile. He's the only one with any sense of fidelity to the character in the Fleming Bond novels in my opinion which is unsurprising given that OHMSS is one of the most faithful film adaptations to Fleming.

    Yes, it's a shame that he didn't come back for DAF. I think he would have still worked well in either the Maibaum or Mankiewicz script(s).
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.007.info/the-other-blofeld-looking-back-on-telly-savalas-2/

    An interesting viewpoint on Telly’s Blofeld. He is often overlooked as a good Bond villain.

    Interesting article. What I like about Savalas is that he had a distinctive "foreign" look.

    I think he looked like a gangster.

    I think he acted like a gangster. But he looked very distinctive, without the use of short cuts (scar, patch eye). Obviously Savalas was of Greek origins, but his bald head gave him a sort of ambiguity. He definitely doesn't look WASP (unlike Pleasence, who without the scar has a British civil servant vibe), but neither does he really look Mediterranean.

    Yes, he is truly a unique looking villain, but in a natural way. I know that Richard Maibaum said that Telly should have done an accent, but I like Telly's Blofeld for his mixture of uniqueness in appearance and voice. Maybe Maibaum should have written Blofeld as having an accent in his script, instead of criticizing Telly for trying to make his (and Fleming's) special words work. Telly's unique enough presence makes up for dialogue.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    He definitely doesn't look WASP (unlike Pleasence, who without the scar has a British civil servant vibe), but neither does he really look Mediterranean.

    Donald could pass for Himmler's dopelganger, and you can't be much better qualified to play an evil villain than that...

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Pleasance standing next to Connery was not a good look. His character looked small and cowardly. The scar was only given to him to make him more evil. While it did give us the Dr. Evil character I remember the let down the first time I saw YOTL. Where was the deep voiced bold man who was always in control. To me it was a fumble of epic proportions especially with how well EON built up the character and SPECTRE.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 14 Posts: 624
    thedove wrote: »
    Pleasance standing next to Connery was not a good look. His character looked small and cowardly. The scar was only given to him to make him more evil. While it did give us the Dr. Evil character I remember the let down the first time I saw YOTL. Where was the deep voiced bold man who was always in control. To me it was a fumble of epic proportions especially with how well EON built up the character and SPECTRE.

    True, I too was very disappointed the first time around, plus, as I discovered later, he is nothing like the book Blofeld

    In that sense Tele is much better, even though he is no giant either. By the by, as far as I'm aware, like Sean Connery, Tele did not do "accents".

    However I recognise that Donald can make a great villain, worthy of a Bond movie, if given the right circumstances. Apart from actually playing Himmler in "The Eagle Has Landed", he also played a "hated security chief" in the Peter O'Toole political thriller "Power Play" and a rogue Russian operative in Charles Bronson's espionage effort "Telefon".
  • Posts: 15,780
    Seve wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    He definitely doesn't look WASP (unlike Pleasence, who without the scar has a British civil servant vibe), but neither does he really look Mediterranean.

    Donald could pass for Himmler's dopelganger, and you can't be much better qualified to play an evil villain than that...

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    He did play Himmler in The Eagle Has Landed. But Himmler himself looks rather bland and unassuming. There's something creepy about a bland man with glasses, mind you.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    He's a talented actor and can play the part of a villain quite well. As Blofeld I never feel that Bond is in much danger. Granted he was parachuted in and didn't really have time to prepare for the role in any real way.

    I will trust their judgement to flush out Jan Wernich. They were in a bind. I do wonder why they cast Jan in the first place and what wasn't there when he was in the role?
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 14 Posts: 624
    Interesting, I did not know that

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    Producers Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman decided that Werich was not nearly menacing enough. Director Lewis Gilbert said that Werich appeared more like Santa Claus than Blofeld. Gilbert would also note that Werich struggled with his English, making shooting more difficult. After several days of filming with Werich, the producers then decided to recast the role of Blofeld
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 15 Posts: 624
    Ludovico wrote: »
    He did play Himmler in The Eagle Has Landed. But Himmler himself looks rather bland and unassuming. There's something creepy about a bland man with glasses, mind you.

    Himmler reminds us that evil is not always obvious or conspicuous, the architypal faceless bureaucrat or éminence grise

    But not ideal for a Bond villain
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I find the English thing rather weird to comment on. Gert Frobe didn't speak much English and clearly delivered a wonderful performance. I don't see how they cast the guy and have him shoot for a few days and then decide to jettison him and find another guy. I am unclear how Donald Pleasance was any more menacing. I would not use menacing to describe his performance as Blofeld.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 16 Posts: 624
    thedove wrote: »
    I find the English thing rather weird to comment on. Gert Frobe didn't speak much English and clearly delivered a wonderful performance. I don't see how they cast the guy and have him shoot for a few days and then decide to jettison him and find another guy. I am unclear how Donald Pleasance was any more menacing. I would not use menacing to describe his performance as Blofeld.

    This is how most film franchises roll, when they make a capricious decision they often lie about the reasons why, and try to spin the circumstances in order to soften the blow or deflect blame and protect the legacy.

    In this case the casting director, Weston Drury Junior made a mistake, by making a casting choice that the someone more important than him disagreed with

    By the by, Weston was casting director for FRWL, The Ipcress File, The Quiller Memorandum, YOLT, The Assassination Bureau, DAF, The Innocent Bystanders, LALD, The Macintosh Man, The Tamarind Seed, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, and many other non-espionage movies.

    He was not casting director for DN, GF, TB or OHMSS
  • edited June 15 Posts: 15,780
    Seve wrote: »
    Interesting, I did not know that

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    Producers Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman decided that Werich was not nearly menacing enough. Director Lewis Gilbert said that Werich appeared more like Santa Claus than Blofeld. Gilbert would also note that Werich struggled with his English, making shooting more difficult. After several days of filming with Werich, the producers then decided to recast the role of Blofeld

    Pictures can only tell so much, but Werich seriously looks like a garden gnome. He doesn't come off as menacing at all. In fact, in these shots he looks afraid. Donald Pleasence may not have been perfect, but even without the scar his piercing blue eyes were somewhat creepy.

    Question for the ages: why not Eric Pohlmann? Too common looking, perhaps? At least he had the voice.
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