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I do realize that even GoldenEye has some weaknesses, because any movie does. However, it is the one Bond movie that is very difficult for me to find anything wrong with, whether anyone else can or not. I do not think it is a sacred cow or anything to behold with glory, because I realize that is just a movie. Nonetheless, I heavily enjoy GoldenEye and think that it is the best of the best, and that's just all right with me. Just because I wanted to give out my two cents about GoldenEye and why I find it to be #1 doesn't mean I'm opposed to others' thoughts.
Honestly when I first started this thread it was to point out how CR is and is widely considered a better film then GE in almost every way. Who would've thunk thatt this thread would be a channel for Brosnan fans to unite. Anyway I'm happy the way it turned out. I love a good debate. ;)
But CR is a great Bond movie, imo. Looking at them as both relaunches, I think we need to remember they are in two really different eras and different styles.
Too right
It's easily one of the best thing to come out of the Brozza era. Shame he got stuck with that dullard from Luton for 3 films.
*ahem.*
'Nuff said.
Then he should write a thesis on Bond music for a university degree. The key thing is, he doesn't bring much new to the table. With the exception of QOS, his scores are for the most part leeching off John Barry's great legacy. I'd rather hear someone completely ignorant of Bond music bring an utterly unique, powerful score that fits the film like a glove, rather than have another Barry wannabe go through the motions.
I don't know where you pulled that quote for, since from everything I've heard and read, Serra was a big fan of Barry's scores as kid. You can a lot of that in the lush orchestral moments of the score.
Those quotes from me are completely wrong. I never said them (mainly because I couldn't tell you the name of GoldenEye's composer if I'd just learned it). Shouldn't they belong to DoubleOhhSeven?
Yes, sorry. I'm still not used to having no quote button in the posting field. Means I have to copy and and paste the tags, which sometimes goes wrong.
Utter nonsense. They are lovely pieces - especially the OST 4th and fit their respective scenes perfectly. They always put a smile on my face when I listen to them. and I'm not the only one who likes the score either.
I call BS. You could say the same about several of Barry's later scores. There was a always a melancholy, elegiac vibe to his music that Arnold never captured. Mourning a dying world. Out of all the successors to Barry, Serra came to the closest to capturing that feeling.
No, that's because infantile fans like you bitched about it, and then you got David bleeding Arnold in return. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Indeed, and Arnold's scoring it!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/cultural-olympiad/8332882/James-Bond-composer-David-Arnold-will-be-2012-musical-director.html
I thought a Skyfall score from Arnold would be bad enough and just about do it. It appears not.
And we were right. And it wasn't a small amount of Barry purists, the score was simply badly recieved and has aged even worse. I'd take Arnold's generic scores over pure crap any day.
And for the record I loved Michael Kamen and George Martin's scores for LTK and LALD. I don't think Barry was the only man who could score a Bond film but Serra was simply incompetant in that field. It sounded like he was just recycling parts of it from Leon The Professional.
You get something that sounds different people whine, you get something that sounds similar to whats been gone on before people whine. Fans bitched about Serra, they got David Arnold and now they want him to go too.
I think the Serra score gives GE it's own identity and I'd happily listen to (most of) it again. The Goldeneye Overture is quite a cool track - stop moaning!
Arnold's also had his fair share of romantic, melodramatic tunes anyway.
I've always felt like Brosnan's movies decreased in quality with each film, but that whole era was a huge missed opportunity. They never built off of the foundation GE laid for Brosnan's era, instead the scripts got more ridiculous and the casting got worse and worse. Like with TND, I think it would've been an infinitely better movie had extended the first half far longer, cut out Wai Lin and the stealth boat scene and focused more on Bond and Paris - they just had to have the "equal" Bond girl and huge explosive finale on a stealth boat when a scene like Paris Carver's death would've served as a perfect scene as the climax of the movie.
I really liked QoS, but it was a huge step down from CR - I just hope that they can step it back up with Skyfall.
Edit: And in terms of the music - I've always loved Serra's score. It fit the Russian scenes and tone of the movie really well.
Goldeneye feels more unique and gritty ...Casino has glamour but there is a lot of deleated scenes from CR- especially with the love scene where craig and eva have sex in the water and that she is actually nude..why did they cut that out?
(its at 1:05)
i love both films but goldeneye has a special place in my heart
There's plenty of Eva Green nudity spread all over the Internet. ;-)
Either way, I don't think they made a mistake cutting that out. The love montage between Montenegro and Venice lasted long enough IMO. An extra few shots of aquatic love making wouldn't have hurt the film but I doubt they would have added anything substantial.
It's not like Barry and Herrmann never recycled their own scores.
Sure, but they sound more Hollywood to my ears, rather than Barry. That Paris/Bond love scene music always reminded me of Elmer Bernstein's parody score for AIRPLANE!
It instantly reminded me of Arnold's score for ID4, as did a couple more tracks on the TND soundtrack / score when I first heard it.
Maybe Arnold should do a new version for SF ;)
Maybe Arnold should not do SF at all. ;-)
While I never resort to bashing the man, incidentally listening to one of his Bond scores right now, I do believe that better composers are active today, composers who could easily deliver the best Bond score since TLD. Arnold's had no less than five opportunities to convince us and his output ranges from rather poor to mediocre at best, IMO. Well I for one think that Bond deserves better than mediocre.