What should the PTS be for BOND 26?

edited June 7 in Bond 26 & Beyond Posts: 561
Introducing Bond #7 is going to require more finesses than before. For the first time, a new Bond will be replacing a dead James Bond. Will the producers choose to go with a clean reboot, or will some sleight of hand be employed? As in the novel version of YOLT, will Bond miraculously survive what seemed certain death? If so, what the does the PTS for Bond 26 look like? A lot will be riding on that pre title sequence. How should it open? Might it be something as cheesy as Bond having been badly disfigured in the missile attack that he required a new face?

PTS BOND 26: We open in a dimly lit hospital room with a bandaged figure on a bed. From the shadows we hear anxious voices. A hand carefully removes the layers of bandages. Tension builds. As the last bandage comes off the face of the new James Bond is revealed. Cue Billie Eilish singing IT WASN'T TIME TO DIE AFTER ALL.

How should BOND 26 Open?
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  • Posts: 214
    Ughhh, this does not need an "explanation". CraigBond died, this is a new guy, there's not a "continuity". Bond is about the individual films, this isn't a nerdy superhero franchise.

    Anyway, I think a more lowkey PTS like Casino Royale or Bond's introduction in DN (not a PTS but same type thing) would be good here. Just put him in a scenario where he gets to act cool like a casino, have a faceless beautiful girl on his arm, give him one great quick kill and a Bondian quip and then cut to title sequence to introduce him.
  • edited June 7 Posts: 501
    The PTS sequence for the next one will be interesting after NTTD. It's generally evolved in the film series from a sort of 'teaser' opening, often barely related to the story, if at all, to something rather integral to setting up the plot. The one for NTTD was near half an hour long, spanned time periods, set up several plot threads, involved a few locations even etc.

    I simply don't know what they'll do with it specifically because this would involve knowing the plot/tone, but I think they'll continue to do something 'different' with it. No retconning NTTD either.

    Ideas:

    - I think the PTS will be on the longer side - 20 min or so. It'll set up various plot threads that will later go into the film like NTTD did.

    - It will still involve the first 'big action sequence' of the film. Possibly the first main location too. Main villain perhaps? Bond girl?

    - It will have to suitably set up the 'world' of the next Bond film too, presuming it's a reboot. Nothing too expositional, just brief hints perhaps at the 00 section, MI6's role in the main plan, a hint at what Bond does as an agent etc.

    - A way in which the next PTS could do something 'different' is perhaps not to include Bond at all. In fact, it could be similar to the FRWL novel where the various plot details are set up in this PTS and it's only afterwards that we meet Bond/see it play out. Bond 7's big introduction will come after the PTS in this case.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    Posts: 255
    007HallY wrote: »
    The PTS sequence for the next one will be interesting after NTTD. It's generally evolved in the film series from a sort of 'teaser' opening, often barely related to the story, if at all, to something rather integral to setting up the plot. The one for NTTD was near half an hour long, spanned time periods, set up several plot threads, involved a few locations even etc.

    I simply don't know what they'll do with it specifically because this would involve knowing the plot/tone, but I think they'll continue to do something 'different' with it. No retconning NTTD either.

    Ideas:

    - I think the PTS will be on the longer side - 20 min or so. It'll set up various plot threads that will later go into the film like NTTD did.

    - It will still involve the first 'big action sequence' of the film. Possibly the first main location too. Main villain perhaps? Bond girl?

    - It will have to suitably set up the 'world' of the next Bond film too, presuming it's a reboot. Nothing too expositional, just brief hints perhaps at the 00 section, MI6's role in the main plan, a hint at what Bond does as an agent etc.

    - A way in which the next PTS could do something 'different' is perhaps not to include Bond at all. In fact, it could be similar to the FRWL novel where the various plot details are set up in this PTS and it's only afterwards that we meet Bond/see it play out. Bond 7's big introduction will come after the PTS in this case.
    I doubt they'd go for a PTS as long as NTTD's and still keep Bond’s introduction until after.
  • edited June 7 Posts: 17,209
    Something as practical as possible, if we go with a younger Bond how about a high octane Mountain Bike chase sequemce down a treacherous mountain side and throw in some stunts similar to the following....


    Ride starts at 1:20

    The following mini movie is clearly influenced by Bond with more of a slapstick tone....
  • edited June 7 Posts: 501
    007HallY wrote: »
    The PTS sequence for the next one will be interesting after NTTD. It's generally evolved in the film series from a sort of 'teaser' opening, often barely related to the story, if at all, to something rather integral to setting up the plot. The one for NTTD was near half an hour long, spanned time periods, set up several plot threads, involved a few locations even etc.

    I simply don't know what they'll do with it specifically because this would involve knowing the plot/tone, but I think they'll continue to do something 'different' with it. No retconning NTTD either.

    Ideas:

    - I think the PTS will be on the longer side - 20 min or so. It'll set up various plot threads that will later go into the film like NTTD did.

    - It will still involve the first 'big action sequence' of the film. Possibly the first main location too. Main villain perhaps? Bond girl?

    - It will have to suitably set up the 'world' of the next Bond film too, presuming it's a reboot. Nothing too expositional, just brief hints perhaps at the 00 section, MI6's role in the main plan, a hint at what Bond does as an agent etc.

    - A way in which the next PTS could do something 'different' is perhaps not to include Bond at all. In fact, it could be similar to the FRWL novel where the various plot details are set up in this PTS and it's only afterwards that we meet Bond/see it play out. Bond 7's big introduction will come after the PTS in this case.
    I doubt they'd go for a PTS as long as NTTD's and still keep Bond’s introduction until after.

    The length of the overall film would be a factor too. But 15-20 minutes sounds plausible for nowadays. It would depend on how it's done. I don't think it'd be as slow as NTTD's and would be a bit more straightforward, certainly tonally (more action, more of a build up of tension etc.) They could even hint at Bond in some way and give him a more slow reveal than we're used to... it just depends on how engaging it is.

    I do think there will be some attempt at subversion when introducing the next Bond. The most obvious thing would be to introduce him in the more 'classic' way - the slow reveal in the casino, the action scene where he's wearing a mask and takes it off while the camera moves towards him... even the plastic surgery idea was floated around as early as OHMSS and has been something of an often discussed idea among fans before even NTTD. I mean, Brosnan's Bond was introduced in a toilet stall (which is rather funny), Moore's Bond got a comical, rather unceremonious introduction and even Craig's Bond hit the ground running during his first PTS without any slow Connery-esque build up.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 7 Posts: 4,105
    EON are most likely going to make an impressive and stylish visual statement when introducing Bond 7, so they make us forget Craig and immediately embrace Bond 7. I think they always do that to help usher in the incoming Bond. The introductions of Dalton, Brosnan & Craig are great examples.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 6,236
    Yes, @GadgetMan ... I have a similar feeling: the goal is to forget the last guy, so I expect a short, tight PTS, in the seven to eight minute timeframe.

    Something akin to TLD/CR that shows the new guy in action. The producers will want us to know, off the hop, that we, the audience, are in good hands with the new 007.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 1,138
    peter wrote: »
    Something akin to TLD/CR that shows the new guy in action. The producers will want us to know, off the hop, that we, the audience, are in good hands with the new 007.

    Yes - this.

  • edited June 7 Posts: 2,745
    Viv Michel is held a knifepoint by Horror and Sluggsy in a motel, when suddenly the doorbell rings, as the Vacancy sign was left on by accident.

    Enter the next James Bond, and the action scene that follows is taken directly from TSWLM. What a brilliant opening that would be for the next Bond.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    Posts: 255
    Viv Michel is held a knifepoint by Horror and Sluggsy in a motel, when suddenly the doorbell rings, as the Vacancy sign was left on by accident.

    Enter the next James Bond, and the action scene that follows is taken directly from TSWLM. What a brilliant opening that would be for the next Bond.
    There was an agreement with Fleming that the TSWLM novel wouldn't be adapted, right?
  • edited June 7 Posts: 501
    Yeah, I think Fleming specifically said no full adaptations of the novel. Also, I feel nowadays a motel even in rural Canada such as the one in the novel would be less 'Bates hotel from Psycho' and more... well, 'crack den'-ish. Also does it have anything to do with the actual story? Like I said I think the way these PTS sequences are going nowadays they need to be tied into the film's main story in some way rather than just something 'cool' to introduce us to the next Bond.

    There are some bits and pieces from the books which could be used, but again it depends on the film and what they're trying to go for. If they used elements from 'From A View To A Kill' the killing of the courier at the start of that short story could be adapted with a slightly more prominent action scene perhaps... I rather like the idea of adapting the mission and Bond's reaction to it in the 'Reflections in a Double Bourbon' chapter from GF. Not sure if the latter is better suited as a PTS as it's more an insight into Bond's character rather than an integral part of the story (again, depending on how it's integrated) but still...
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,105
    peter wrote: »
    Yes, @GadgetMan ... I have a similar feeling: the goal is to forget the last guy, so I expect a short, tight PTS, in the seven to eight minute timeframe.

    Something akin to TLD/CR that shows the new guy in action. The producers will want us to know, off the hop, that we, the audience, are in good hands with the new 007.

    Yes, that's very likely @peter something of that ilk.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 4,828
    peter wrote: »
    Yes, @GadgetMan ... I have a similar feeling: the goal is to forget the last guy, so I expect a short, tight PTS, in the seven to eight minute timeframe.

    Something akin to TLD/CR that shows the new guy in action. The producers will want us to know, off the hop, that we, the audience, are in good hands with the new 007.

    Also, lots of running in the PTS, before the (inevitable?) injury of the lead actor after several Bond films.
  • Posts: 603
    I suggested it several times, but I really think that the opening chapters of TMWTGG could be the perfect PTS to introduce the new actor. Obviously, it's hard to imagine a straight direct adaptation of theses chapters with Bond succeeding to see M in his office with a cyanide pistol, but maybe the action could be moved to the Blades Club or something like that. Some action could be added with Bond being pursued through London by fellow agents.
  • Posts: 11,089
    Something completely "normal." Just the newest actor playing James Bond, doing a classic action scene that may or may not be closely related with the film's overall plot.
  • Posts: 2,745
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, I think Fleming specifically said no full adaptations of the novel. Also, I feel nowadays a motel even in rural Canada such as the one in the novel would be less 'Bates hotel from Psycho' and more... well, 'crack den'-ish. Also does it have anything to do with the actual story? Like I said I think the way these PTS sequences are going nowadays they need to be tied into the film's main story in some way rather than just something 'cool' to introduce us to the next Bond.

    There are some bits and pieces from the books which could be used, but again it depends on the film and what they're trying to go for. If they used elements from 'From A View To A Kill' the killing of the courier at the start of that short story could be adapted with a slightly more prominent action scene perhaps... I rather like the idea of adapting the mission and Bond's reaction to it in the 'Reflections in a Double Bourbon' chapter from GF. Not sure if the latter is better suited as a PTS as it's more an insight into Bond's character rather than an integral part of the story (again, depending on how it's integrated) but still...

    The idea would be that Horror and Sluggsy are working for the Spangled Mob, who are part of the main plot, so the PTS would be tied.

    As for Fleming and no adaptation, since when did that ever stop good lawyers earning their cash.....
  • edited June 8 Posts: 501
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, I think Fleming specifically said no full adaptations of the novel. Also, I feel nowadays a motel even in rural Canada such as the one in the novel would be less 'Bates hotel from Psycho' and more... well, 'crack den'-ish. Also does it have anything to do with the actual story? Like I said I think the way these PTS sequences are going nowadays they need to be tied into the film's main story in some way rather than just something 'cool' to introduce us to the next Bond.

    There are some bits and pieces from the books which could be used, but again it depends on the film and what they're trying to go for. If they used elements from 'From A View To A Kill' the killing of the courier at the start of that short story could be adapted with a slightly more prominent action scene perhaps... I rather like the idea of adapting the mission and Bond's reaction to it in the 'Reflections in a Double Bourbon' chapter from GF. Not sure if the latter is better suited as a PTS as it's more an insight into Bond's character rather than an integral part of the story (again, depending on how it's integrated) but still...

    The idea would be that Horror and Sluggsy are working for the Spangled Mob, who are part of the main plot, so the PTS would be tied.

    As for Fleming and no adaptation, since when did that ever stop good lawyers earning their cash.....

    I'm not sure how strict such a request would be, nor in what capacity EON would have to honour it if it indeed exists. Like I said though, I suspect going from these more recent PTS sequences they are going to be far more integral to the story than what we've been used to - not only in terms of plot but character ideas too. Despite my many criticisms about NTTD I do feel the PTS was interesting and pretty effective in this sense.
    I suggested it several times, but I really think that the opening chapters of TMWTGG could be the perfect PTS to introduce the new actor. Obviously, it's hard to imagine a straight direct adaptation of theses chapters with Bond succeeding to see M in his office with a cyanide pistol, but maybe the action could be moved to the Blades Club or something like that. Some action could be added with Bond being pursued through London by fellow agents.

    Yes, that's been a plot thread fans have wanted to see adapted for some time. I think they were very close to doing it in SF (after the PTS of course) but simply couldn't find the right way to work it in.

    Now, I don't think we'll see this plot thread in the next one. I can imagine they'll want to put as much distance between Bond 26 and NTTD and set it up as a new world/start afresh. I think audiences are more likely to go with that than having Bond introduced brainwashed after going missing from a previous mission. It suggests a sort of continuity with NTTD and retcons it to an extent...

    BUT how about if they adapt these chapters - the brainwashing subplot, the assassination attempt on M - but have it be another 00 agent? He dies at the end and Bond has to investigate who captured his colleague and brainwashed him.
  • Posts: 4,517
    It's hard because they need to achieve two things in around 5-7 mins. Show us that it's "business as usual" in that we are in safe hands, Bond is very much alive and fighting fit etc etc but, at the same time, show that this is NOT the DC Bond and we can expect something new.
    I would love to see a huge, non-CGI stunt that gets people talking (as with GE)
  • edited June 8 Posts: 501
    At risk of creating fan-fiction, I was day dreaming about this and how Fleming material could be integrated into a PTS for a future film… anyway, here’s an overly long idea for a PTS that will never be used…

    Bond 26

    A gun barrel with a silhouetted Bond (think the Bob Simmons version). We open on a pair of GOGGLES, a MASK. The WHINE of an engine, the WHOOSH of concrete going past… it’s a MOTORCYCLIST. Cut to a BACK-PACK on his back. He drives out of the tunnel and into the dusk.

    The words: Porto Cervo, Italy are superimposed on the screen.

    Our Motorcyclist makes his way to an empty pier. He takes off his goggles, brings out a pair of binoculars and spots a WAREHOUSE across the river. There are ARMED GUARDS all around it. He takes out a radio and relays this information.

    On the other side of the pier are THREE more MASKED MEN in covert gear. The leader, a big, towering figure, receives this information via a radio.

    The second Man is shorter, and despite his mask we can tell he is younger. He boot taps nervously on the ground.

    The third Man - slim and athletic with cold blue grey eyes - looks at him for a moment.

    Younger Man realises what he’s doing and stops himself.

    The Leader tells the men to go. The Men cock their handguns and make their way stealthily towards the warehouse.

    Back on the pier, the Motorcyclist unzips his bag. Inside is a BOMB. He flicks a switch and a timer starts. He closes it again and drives off.

    Cut to inside the warehouse. It’s dark and thick with cigarette smoke, sweaty Guards sitting around. Several barrels are stacked together. They soon bolt up as a MOUSTACHED MAN enters, barking orders at them in Italian. He’s followed by a WOMAN (30s, elegant - his mistress or something).

    Moustached Man takes a knife and pieces one of the barrels, tasting it. Heroin. He tells the Guards to get the shipment ready and turns back to Woman. He strokes her cheek and grins at her.

    Woman accepts it and squeezes out a smile in return.

    Back outside, the Masked Men make their way to the warehouse. They take out the first few Guards quietly. The Leader tells them the ‘courier’ needs to get to the fuel liners to destroy the ‘supply’ and they need to get ‘their man’ before then. At some point, however, they are spotted by a Guard who raises the alarm. A shoot-out starts.

    In the distance, they see the Motorcyclist coming, but the alarm is now shrieking. Motorcylist is spotted, shot, and killed. The Back-Pack falls to the ground.

    Blue Grey eyes immediately goes for it, dodging flashes of bullets. He takes the bag and runs for the fuel liners, dropping it off there. The other two Men make their way into the warehouse.

    More shooting. Woman hides behind the barrels. She watches as the Men overpower the Guards and approach Moustached Man. They say they will be taking him back to England. Unbeknownst to them, however, he has a hidden pistol. He shoots Younger Man in the shoulder, although not fatally. The Leader kills Moustached Man.

    Blue Grey eyes enters the warehouse, telling the other two to hurry. He sees that Leader has killed ‘their man’.

    Blue Grey eyes stares sharply at Leader, who simply shrugs.

    A THUMP.

    The Men look around. Woman has made a noise. Leader grabs her and turns to Younger Man. “No survivors” he says bluntly. “But she’s not a target” Younger Man says. “It doesn’t matter” Leader replies etc.

    Younger Man raises his weapon, but hesitates. His foot starts to fidget.

    Suddenly, Blue Grey eyes shoots Woman. She falls to the floor. Leader, satisfied, tells them to leave. Blue Grey eyes tells them he’ll meet them out front.

    He approaches Woman. She’s breathing. She’s only been hit in the leg. He tells her to escape through the side. She won’t be found. He leaves and she limps out.

    Eventually, the Men get to the front. The Warehouse blows. As the light of the flames wash across them they look at each other.

    CUT TO: Six Years Later

    A foot tapping on the floor. We’re in a bare looking studio flat, London. A MAN (30s) sits shirtless on a bed. There’s a bullet wound in his shoulder. He picks up his phone and calls ‘Universal Exports’. As he leaves his flat we see another helmeted, mysterious MOTORCYCLIST following him.

    From here, the story plays out like Fleming’s opening to THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, but we learn this is 005, an agent missing presumed dead. M is contacted about the reappearance of his agent and despite signs that something is wrong he agrees to interview him. The Motorcyclist continues to follow him.

    When interviewed, 005 starts to rant - about how the Service has controlled him his whole life, how he’s so much sacrificed without getting anything back. M’s hand moves towards a button beneath his desk. 005 states he’s been shown ‘something different, another way’. He mentions an Operation Risico and how there’s only ‘one man left’, that being James Bond.

    Suddenly, 005 takes out a gun and shoots, but M presses the button and a bulletproof screen drops. Security are alerted but 005 escapes and a chase ensues on the rooftops. Despite their efforts, 005 escapes and enters a side street.

    Here, the Motorcyclist is waiting for him. He smiles at them. Motorcyclist is completely still.

    005's smile drops. He notices for the first time there is a SILENCED GUN in their hand. A sharp WHISTLE as he's shot in the head and falls to the ground.

    Calmly, Motorcyclist walks to the body. A perfect hit to the temple. They place the gun in 005's hand. Satisfied, they head back to their motorcycle and start the engine. A ROAR as they take off down the road and towards a tunnel.

    The WHINE of the ENGINE again, the WHOOSH of the concrete... MUSIC starts as we slowly transition into the TITLES.


    After this you can have the 'classic' Bond reveal - M saying 'Where is 007?', the film showing him in a casino or on another assignment, the editing/camerawork slowly revealing him etc. As I said modern Bond Pre-Titles Sequences are less 'cool' openings but more integral to the story now more than ever. So yeah, I can imagine something like this where stuff like character threads, the main plot, even perhaps the Bond girl are revealed early on but has plenty of action.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 1,395
    Basically remake the PTS from The Living Daylights for Bond 26
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
    Posts: 1,659
    I say do it LALD style and not feature the new Bond. Have the film open after the titles with a knock on M’s door, “Come in, 007”, and the new actor walk in.
  • Posts: 1,070
    CountJohn wrote: »
    Ughhh, this does not need an "explanation". CraigBond died, this is a new guy, there's not a "continuity". Bond is about the individual films, this isn't a nerdy superhero franchise.

    Anyway, I think a more lowkey PTS like Casino Royale or Bond's introduction in DN (not a PTS but same type thing) would be good here. Just put him in a scenario where he gets to act cool like a casino, have a faceless beautiful girl on his arm, give him one great quick kill and a Bondian quip and then cut to title sequence to introduce him.

    QUITE RIGHT ! Just as with other changes of Bond actors, there's nothing to explain...
  • Posts: 1,070
    patb wrote: »
    It's hard because they need to achieve two things in around 5-7 mins. Show us that it's "business as usual" in that we are in safe hands, Bond is very much alive and fighting fit etc etc but, at the same time, show that this is NOT the DC Bond and we can expect something new.
    I would love to see a huge, non-CGI stunt that gets people talking (as with GE)

    Yes ! Something with the humor of GF, TB, TLD, with the non-digital spectacular stunt-quality level of TSWLM, leading, hopefully, to a GREAT song. As much as I enjoyed CR and its PTS, it was low on humor but BIG on action, and the title song, with all respects to the dear departed, for me, was meh. A standard 90s grinder. But the graphics were great.
  • Posts: 4,517
    Either I've seen this in another movie (or it's a new idea) but I like the idea of a fight on one of those big, skyscraper window cleaning gantry's. The stakes rise literally as the gantry rises from ground level and a stray bullet in the control box sends it haywire with one end tipping up. Lots of potential action with real people hanging from great heights and seeing the fight both externally (showing the height) and internally showing office workers going about their buisness as the gantry passes their floor.

  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Something short and sweet (5-10 minutes) and standalone like GF/OP.
  • Posts: 561
    Remington wrote: »
    Something short and sweet (5-10 minutes) and standalone like GF/OP.

    Keep it simple. Keep it classic. No big action sequence. No fresh faced Bond anxious to get his 00. Let's meet this new Bond as a confident and experienced agent at a card table in the same way we met him in Dr. No. Let him introduce himself immediately, instead of waiting until the end of the film as done in CR. As for Vesper, she should no longer be a concern while his others loves and villains are years in the future. The series is messy enough without cluttering it up with old story lines. To avoid confusion, everyone should be recast.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 12,489
    Short -10 mins
    Stand-alone
    Stylish - something typical of Bond.
    Stunts - Done for real, big opening stunt that get people talking.
    Go for a quick introduction of the new actor, similar to Daltons in TLD.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 10 Posts: 15,484
    patb wrote: »
    Either I've seen this in another movie (or it's a new idea) but I like the idea of a fight on one of those big, skyscraper window cleaning gantry's. The stakes rise literally as the gantry rises from ground level and a stray bullet in the control box sends it haywire with one end tipping up. Lots of potential action with real people hanging from great heights and seeing the fight both externally (showing the height) and internally showing office workers going about their buisness as the gantry passes their floor.

    That's a great idea for an action set piece either in the PTS or the main body of the film. I could see that working à la the QoS building site rope action sequence, though preferably without the questionable overuse of CGI. It also calls to mind the Bond and Wai Lin jump from the CMGN skyscraper using the ropes tied to the Carver poster. That scene also had the shocked office employees as well. This idea could be a neat and original spin on those types of sequences.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 142
    Reminds me of the set piece in the Doctor Who series 4 opener with the Doctor and Donna trying to escape the villain in one of those gantries who breaks one side of the cables leaving Donna holding on for dear life. That was 14 years ago now though and played very much for comedy so I still think they could put a Bondian spin on the concept.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited June 10 Posts: 1,395
    It would be nice if it's a sneaky PTS and then a reveal moment.

    Like Goldeneye, but have the first shot of the new man be that great shot of Pierce up against the wall holding his gun rather than upside down in a cubicle shot.

    A member on here said, the way they would improve Casino's PTS was to have the first shot Daniel be the " yes considerably" line. Now the thought of that lives in my head rent free.

    One thing is for certain the new Bond has to be in his first PTS
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