No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Crab Key
    Posts: 1,191
    I’ve enjoyed the Craig era scores more than not, but a genuine collaborative process with the title song between artist and composer would have immensely made the scores richer.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 1,423
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    Posts: 307
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 1,595
    Contraband wrote: »
    Really OT:

    Nicholas Buc, Composer | Conductor | Arranger:
    Calling all Bond fans! This weekend we’ve got 3 performances with the @sydneysymphonyorchestra of #SkyfallinConcert at the @sydneyoperahouse. #DanielCraig #Sydney #SydneySymphonyOrchestra #SydneyOperaHouse #JamesBond



    I'm going to this tomorrow night. Super pumped. I saw Casino Royale in the Opera House too with the orchestra. Just incredible. The chase between Bond and Mollaka left me sweating due to the tension of the live music, despite watching the film a thousand times.

    Nothing feels more Bond than watching one of his films at the Opera House. Now I just need him to actually come down here and film!

    Just got home from seeing it. Think I enjoyed more than CR!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 1,423
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "Better cold with them on, than dead with them off, I always say."Moderator
    edited November 22 Posts: 10,830
    octofinger wrote: »

    I don't think anyone is arguing that playing Bond isn't knackering.

    I think the point is more that lots of other things are, too: being a school teacher, a bricklayer, a nurse, a truck driver . . . all those jobs are exhausting, and they don't pay a million bucks. They also don't involve a few years off between gigs, or the chance to travel around the world in top class, or your choice of well-paid side-gigs.

    Make no mistake, Craig is my favourite Bond. But "this is such a hard job" is never going to garner much sympathy from a millionaire actor when he's talking to a room of regular slobs with actual hard jobs.

    Not just a million bucks, there's also all those sweet little back end deals and promotions. How many brickies can get a promotional deal for CAT? Acting might be hard work, but then, actors are paid well... very well.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld Minnesota USA
    Posts: 2,511
    octofinger wrote: »

    I don't think anyone is arguing that playing Bond isn't knackering.

    I think the point is more that lots of other things are, too: being a school teacher, a bricklayer, a nurse, a truck driver . . . all those jobs are exhausting, and they don't pay a million bucks. They also don't involve a few years off between gigs, or the chance to travel around the world in top class, or your choice of well-paid side-gigs.

    Make no mistake, Craig is my favourite Bond. But "this is such a hard job" is never going to garner much sympathy from a millionaire actor when he's talking to a room of regular slobs with actual hard jobs.

    Not just a million bucks, there's also all those sweet little back end deals and promotions. How many brickies can get a promotional dead for CAT? Acting might be hard work, but then, actors are paid well... very well.

    Strangling the cat? ;)
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    Posts: 307
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.

    Yes, I would've expected it got picked up by the mainstream trades by now, so that's why I'm leaning towards 'false rumour' at the moment. With the poster I meant earliest possible confirmation by EON, as they usually don't respond to what gets written, even if it's 100% correct. But I agree: normally these things get picked up by industry journalists. And if Romer's off the project, wouldn't they have written about that too? And listed possible replacements? The fact that it stays silent for so long, doesn't make the rumour credible.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 2,683
    mtm wrote: »
    Only three songs in the last 25 years from 8 films have been interwoven with the scores, one of them being rejected and relegated to the end credits.

    Until then, I’m not expecting it to happen.

    All four Craig films have featured the song’s melody in the score.

    There's a difference of quantity between 'interwoven' and 'featured'. The only one truly interwoven is YKMN.
    mtm wrote: »
    There's a difference of quantity between 'interwoven' and 'featured'. The only one truly interwoven is YKMN.

    Who cares? Honestly. And QoS's one is all the way through that movie: the whole film even ends on a quote from it.

    Exactly. A token appearance of a title song only playing for few seconds (or barely anything noteworthy at all in QOS) is not exactly the same as richer Bond scores in the past with Barry doing entire tracks with different variations.

    Of the Michael and Barbara era, TWINE and YKMY are the only titles to be properly elaborated throughout the scores, with TND only featuring the rejected “Surrender”.

    Fair point. I must say I like it more when only bits of the melody are woven into other tracks (the way Arnold did with AWTD in Field Trip) but I do wish it was done more often and the song should indeed get at one full instrumental arrangement in the score (I guess you're talking about tracks like Bond meets Tatiana, Alpine Drive, Dance with Domino, That's my little Octopussy and Bond meets Stacy). Those are some of Barry's finest tracks indeed and perfectly accompany the scenes they're played in.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 3,752
    Walecs wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Only three songs in the last 25 years from 8 films have been interwoven with the scores, one of them being rejected and relegated to the end credits.

    Until then, I’m not expecting it to happen.

    All four Craig films have featured the song’s melody in the score.

    There's a difference of quantity between 'interwoven' and 'featured'. The only one truly interwoven is YKMN.
    mtm wrote: »
    There's a difference of quantity between 'interwoven' and 'featured'. The only one truly interwoven is YKMN.

    Who cares? Honestly. And QoS's one is all the way through that movie: the whole film even ends on a quote from it.

    Exactly. A token appearance of a title song only playing for few seconds (or barely anything noteworthy at all in QOS) is not exactly the same as richer Bond scores in the past with Barry doing entire tracks with different variations.

    Of the Michael and Barbara era, TWINE and YKMY are the only titles to be properly elaborated throughout the scores, with TND only featuring the rejected “Surrender”.

    Fair point. I must say I like it more when only bits of the melody are woven into other tracks (the way Arnold did with AWTD in Field Trip) but I do wish it was done more often and the song should indeed get at one full instrumental arrangement in the score (I guess you're talking about tracks like Bond meets Tatiana, Alpine Drive, Dance with Domino, That's my little Octopussy and Bond meets Stacy). Those are some of Barry's finest tracks indeed and perfectly accompany the scenes they're played in.

    First cue that always pops into my head in this regard is Oddjob's Pressing Engagement.

    The way Barry moves from the title song to the Bond theme and then back again is masterful. So, so good.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Crab Key
    edited November 22 Posts: 1,191
    I especially dig the more relaxed variations like this:


  • mtmmtm
    edited November 22 Posts: 839
    mtm wrote: »
    There's a difference of quantity between 'interwoven' and 'featured'. The only one truly interwoven is YKMN.

    Who cares? Honestly. And QoS's one is all the way through that movie: the whole film even ends on a quote from it.

    The obvious answer is that quite a few people do, evidently.

    And the obvious answer is 'why'? It makes no difference. You didn't notice it in QoS so why would you notice it elsewhere? I like it sometimes, sometimes I'm not bothered. It doesn't make a great score on its own either way.
  • mtmmtm
    edited November 22 Posts: 839
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    I think that rumour is looking pretty ropey to be honest.
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.


    I don't think it's been overly secretive at all to be honest. They've done plenty of little bits to keep the fans happy, from the nice official key image of Bond in front of the V8, the making of snippet, behind the scenes visits, the Goldeneye launch, title reveal... they're busy trying to make a film but I think they've done just the right amount of interaction. And that's not including all of the paparazzi photos which I'm not convinced aren't sometimes a little stage-managed..
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 3,752
    I especially dig the more relaxed variations like this:



    Sublime.
  • mtm wrote: »
    And the obvious answer is 'why'? It makes no difference. You didn't notice it in QoS so why would you notice it elsewhere? I like it sometimes, sometimes I'm not bothered. It doesn't make a great score on its own either way.
    Just because it doesn't make a difference to you doesn't mean it doesn't to everybody else. Jesus, that's not hard to grasp.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 3,752
    mtm wrote: »
    And the obvious answer is 'why'? It makes no difference. You didn't notice it in QoS so why would you notice it elsewhere? I like it sometimes, sometimes I'm not bothered. It doesn't make a great score on its own either way.
    Just because it doesn't make a difference to you doesn't mean it doesn't to everybody else. Jesus, that's not hard to grasp.

    Thank you.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 1,207
    Sassilive has published a big gallery today from the Matera shoot. Some taken by them, others by Splash news we've later seen in Daily Mail.

    Save them

    http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spettacoli/cinema-cultura-e-spettacoli/film-no-time-to-die-con-james-bond-girato-nei-sassi-di-matera-conto-alla-rovescia-per-il-trailer/

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited November 22 Posts: 1,423
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    I think that rumour is looking pretty ropey to be honest.
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.


    I don't think it's been overly secretive at all to be honest. They've done plenty of little bits to keep the fans happy, from the nice official key image of Bond in front of the V8, the making of snippet, behind the scenes visits, the Goldeneye launch, title reveal... they're busy trying to make a film but I think they've done just the right amount of interaction. And that's not including all of the paparazzi photos which I'm not convinced aren't sometimes a little stage-managed..

    At this stage into production NTTD is by far the most secretive recent Bond. Not a problem if you ask me but man, but this is basically a fact. Just think about the title alone. In the last two we knew far more stuff regarding the film*, at this stage, almost five months before the premiere.

    *without taking the leak into account.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,256
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    I think that rumour is looking pretty ropey to be honest.
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.


    I don't think it's been overly secretive at all to be honest. They've done plenty of little bits to keep the fans happy, from the nice official key image of Bond in front of the V8, the making of snippet, behind the scenes visits, the Goldeneye launch, title reveal... they're busy trying to make a film but I think they've done just the right amount of interaction. And that's not including all of the paparazzi photos which I'm not convinced aren't sometimes a little stage-managed..

    At this stage into production NTTD is by far the most secretive recent Bond. Not a problem if you ask me but man, but this is basically a fact. Just think about the title alone. In the last two we knew far more stuff regarding the film*, at this stage, almost five months before the premiere.

    *without taking the leak into account.

    EON have done a bang up job in keep information sparse. It’s impressive and most welcome.
  • Posts: 29
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Really OT:

    Nicholas Buc, Composer | Conductor | Arranger:
    Calling all Bond fans! This weekend we’ve got 3 performances with the @sydneysymphonyorchestra of #SkyfallinConcert at the @sydneyoperahouse. #DanielCraig #Sydney #SydneySymphonyOrchestra #SydneyOperaHouse #JamesBond



    I'm going to this tomorrow night. Super pumped. I saw Casino Royale in the Opera House too with the orchestra. Just incredible. The chase between Bond and Mollaka left me sweating due to the tension of the live music, despite watching the film a thousand times.

    Nothing feels more Bond than watching one of his films at the Opera House. Now I just need him to actually come down here and film!

    Just got home from seeing it. Think I enjoyed more than CR!

    That's great news! Can't wait! Always great to meet a fellow Australian Bond fan. I'm travelling up from Canberra. On the bus at this very minute. Skyfall here I come.
  • Posts: 10,889
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Only three songs in the last 25 years from 8 films have been interwoven with the scores, one of them being rejected and relegated to the end credits.

    Until then, I’m not expecting it to happen.

    All four Craig films have featured the song’s melody in the score.

    Absolutely. Although I am hoping the composer weaves more of the song's theme into the film than Newman did.

    Not hard
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,256
    FoxRox wrote: »

    “Catering van serving mud pies at Pinewood. Diamonds Are Forever remake?”
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Crab Key
    Posts: 1,191
    RC7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    I think that rumour is looking pretty ropey to be honest.
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.


    I don't think it's been overly secretive at all to be honest. They've done plenty of little bits to keep the fans happy, from the nice official key image of Bond in front of the V8, the making of snippet, behind the scenes visits, the Goldeneye launch, title reveal... they're busy trying to make a film but I think they've done just the right amount of interaction. And that's not including all of the paparazzi photos which I'm not convinced aren't sometimes a little stage-managed..

    At this stage into production NTTD is by far the most secretive recent Bond. Not a problem if you ask me but man, but this is basically a fact. Just think about the title alone. In the last two we knew far more stuff regarding the film*, at this stage, almost five months before the premiere.

    *without taking the leak into account.

    EON have done a bang up job in keep information sparse. It’s impressive and most welcome.

    And it’s got us fans hungry for something. I don’t even care for a teaser at this point, I just wanna get a glimpse of the cinematography.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,275
    Contraband wrote: »
    Sassilive has published a big gallery today from the Matera shoot. Some taken by them, others by Splash news we've later seen in Daily Mail.

    Save them

    http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spettacoli/cinema-cultura-e-spettacoli/film-no-time-to-die-con-james-bond-girato-nei-sassi-di-matera-conto-alla-rovescia-per-il-trailer/

    Not only the gallery. They write "Countdown to the trailer"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited November 22 Posts: 5,614
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited November 22 Posts: 1,207
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Sassilive has published a big gallery today from the Matera shoot. Some taken by them, others by Splash news we've later seen in Daily Mail.

    Save them

    http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spettacoli/cinema-cultura-e-spettacoli/film-no-time-to-die-con-james-bond-girato-nei-sassi-di-matera-conto-alla-rovescia-per-il-trailer/

    Not only the gallery. They write "Countdown to the trailer"

    I saw that.

    Apparently MI6 knows the date. Teasing on my twitter. Schweinhundt..



  • mtmmtm
    Posts: 839
    mtm wrote: »
    And the obvious answer is 'why'? It makes no difference. You didn't notice it in QoS so why would you notice it elsewhere? I like it sometimes, sometimes I'm not bothered. It doesn't make a great score on its own either way.
    Just because it doesn't make a difference to you doesn't mean it doesn't to everybody else. Jesus, that's not hard to grasp.

    But you're unable to articulate why? Perhaps it doesn't matter as much as you think it does.
  • mtmmtm
    Posts: 839
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    I think that rumour is looking pretty ropey to be honest.
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    About the composer, any news regarding Romer? Is he in or out? I remember Elfman admitting his work on Justice League ended up really rushed because he didn't have enough time... and he was hired 5 months before the release date. So IF that rumor is indeed true, it's time to find a replacement. There is always the possibility that they already have one, but didn't announce it yet.

    OR that Romer didn't leave at all, and that the rumour is untrue. Anyway, I don't think EON will make an announcement à la "We have got a new composer!".
    If they indeed got someone else, the earliest we might notice is when they put out a new poster with a text block underneath, and someone else's name is next to 'Music by'.

    Well of course. IF the rumor is true. Anyway, if an important member of the crew has been replaced by another one, the news is usually quickly reported by the media. Never heard about blockbusters of this size where people find out a big crew member change from the theatrical posters... but this production is so secretive that every option seems possible.


    I don't think it's been overly secretive at all to be honest. They've done plenty of little bits to keep the fans happy, from the nice official key image of Bond in front of the V8, the making of snippet, behind the scenes visits, the Goldeneye launch, title reveal... they're busy trying to make a film but I think they've done just the right amount of interaction. And that's not including all of the paparazzi photos which I'm not convinced aren't sometimes a little stage-managed..

    At this stage into production NTTD is by far the most secretive recent Bond. Not a problem if you ask me but man, but this is basically a fact. Just think about the title alone. In the last two we knew far more stuff regarding the film*, at this stage, almost five months before the premiere.

    *without taking the leak into account.

    Can you disregard the leak? It revealed the entire film.
  • edited November 22 Posts: 1,723
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    I'm sure after the Release of "NTTD", we are hearing some words from MGW or BB "We need a break, the production of Bond 25 was so exhausted..."

    To be fair they are both getting on, I'm not surprised. Even Daniel is in his fifties now.

    They need to introduce fresh blood with Bond 26 or just sell the rights entirely. If Babs said she won't make another film without Craig then perhaps number 25 is the perfect note to hand things off to another team who are passionate and eager.

    Cubby never let exhaustion stop him making Bond movies into his late 70s. Babs is not even 60
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