Scenes in 007 Films that Shouldn't make it to the final cut

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License To Kill 1989
Timothy Dalton's Last Film

License to Kill is among one of the most underrated bond film and one of the best film by bond fans, this film was 1st to be rated PG-13 in the whole series, this film tries to be hard to be greety and brutal, but somehow fails, some scenes where somehow out of place for Timothy Dalton and the Movie, it do has an interesting plot but some scenes were really out of place, what are the scenes that shouldn't make it?
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  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    I think they really missed a trick with Lupe Lamore. She basically disappears in the third act. They could have given her a stronger arc - or at least put her peril in the climax. I would prefer making her character thirsty for revenge herself (after the torment of the PTS) and exacting it with bond's help rather than her teary 'I love james so much'. Although I would have cast a more capable actress - but Soto's best scenes are where she's under threat so maybe this change would favour her strengths.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Any scene where Dalton does that awful false laugh...."ha ha ha ha ha...." UGH!
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    Probably should have cut the X-ray camera 'gag'. The gadget doesn't even get used later on in the film so its clearly only there for a cheap laugh which doesn't really fit the tone of the film.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    That awful epilogue that conveniently ignores the fact that Bond has resigned from MI6 and was operating outside of the law in the US. God knows how many charges he would have been facing!

    Oh and that irritating 'winking fish'
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Another slag off the Bond films thread. :(
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    That awful epilogue that conveniently ignores the fact that Bond has resigned from MI6 and was operating outside of the law in the US. God knows how many charges he would have been facing!

    Never mind that, Felix wants to go fishing......
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    vzok wrote: »
    That awful epilogue that conveniently ignores the fact that Bond has resigned from MI6 and was operating outside of the law in the US. God knows how many charges he would have been facing!

    Never mind that, Felix wants to go fishing......

    LOL! Exactly. I nearly burst out laughing in the cinema when he said that! YOU HAVEN'T BURIED YOUR MURDERED WIFE YET!!!!
  • MI60071987892016MI60071987892016 Australia
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    What the most terrible scene in this flick?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    The ninjas.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    She is a weak actress, but I can't take my eyes off her. I say keep her, but cut about a third of her dialogue. I'd also cut out the majority of Bouvier's screen time: she's annoying as all hell.
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Everything after the PTS.....
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    The worst scene in LTK is the end credits. Because it means the film and the Dalton era are over. I want more Dalton as Bond!
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Bar room fight.

    No, I love that and I think it's Flemingesque!
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    Bravo DaltonCraig007! Couldn't agree more. One review captured it well, "A good story, well told, with a truly explosive climax!"
    I remember that year so well, it was a scorching hot Summer, ( if I recall there was an election too here in Ireland! One candidate said he needed to take his mind off the count, so he was going to see the new Bond movie! No better way to take your mind off things than to see Bond! Cant remember if he got elected. Am sure he enjoyed LTK though! ) and the divisive critics, the late great Terry Wogan did a special show on it, with Gladys Knight singing the under-rated theme! Was so looking forward to Daltons third 007 film! Gutted when it was eventually announced he wouldn't be back! (Even more gutted when I found out who was replacing him!!!)
    Gone off topic here, but I make no excuse! A great Bond movie!
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    I think a lot of Bond films have a problem of having too much unnecessary stuff. Why can't they understand more =\= better.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    95% of the whole SP.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited July 2016 Posts: 2,716
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Bravo DaltonCraig007! Couldn't agree more. One review captured it well, "A good story, well told, with a truly explosive climax!"
    I remember that year so well, it was a scorching hot Summer, ( if I recall there was an election too here in Ireland! One candidate said he needed to take his mind off the count, so he was going to see the new Bond movie! No better way to take your mind off things than to see Bond! Cant remember if he got elected. Am sure he enjoyed LTK though! ) and the divisive critics, the late great Terry Wogan did a special show on it, with Gladys Knight singing the under-rated theme! Was so looking forward to Daltons third 007 film! Gutted when it was eventually announced he wouldn't be back! (Even more gutted when I found out who was replacing him!!!)
    Gone off topic here, but I make no excuse! A great Bond movie!

    Agreed! I was in the grips of Bond fervour from 87 until about 90-91. That period of quiet especially from 91-94. When there was no sound of anything happening really made a dent in my Bondmania. Tied with the influence of my age - growing from child into adult means other things become more interesting. But I was a real Fleming aficionado. The books, especially when I read them from 87-89, were immersive experiences and I felt that Dalton was the embodiment of that Bond. And LTK was the natural conclusion for the actor's approach. I loved the incorporating of elements of Live and Let Die and MWTGG and of course Milton Krest.
    I really love it. As much as I appreciate Brosnan for resurrecting the franchise in Goldeneye and I love Craig for making one of the series crowning achievements in Casino Royale, Dalton will always be my starter Bond. And LTK the only glimpse of what might have been. I always say he did Property of a Lady in 1991 and Risico in 1993. That's what i choose to believe!
  • This is just LTK, so...

    1. Cut down/ rewrite the messy PTS
    2. Cut the bar fight
    3. Cut at least one of the truck stunts, two is excessive
  • MI60071987892016MI60071987892016 Australia
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    This film is really out of place for dalton even doe the story is very fitting to him, i really wish bond 91 happend
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    This film is really out of place for dalton even doe the story is very fitting to him, i really wish bond 91 happend

    considering the commercial response to LTK, I suspect they may have gone back to the classic fleming/eon blend of The Living Daylights. Probably in style it would have gone the way Goldeneye ended up so naturally I would love to have seen Martin Campbell direct Dalton in his third adventure.
  • MI60071987892016MI60071987892016 Australia
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    What Would You Score License To Kill? /10?
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    What Would You Score License To Kill? /10?

    Six out of ten. I think Kamen nails the gun barrel and there are some nice South American sounds but I find it is also quite an invasive, overbearing score at times. It uses the Bond theme very well - but it also all sounds very die hard 2 so slots in to the 80s action genre a little too much for my liking. The stabs I'm not a fan of - like in the track 'Ninja' or 'Licence Revoked' having said that - there are some nice bondian moments in Licence Revoked. I think it's heightened dramatic energy probably suits the more brutal aspects of the film. But also oversells them a little. So I'm quite torn on the soundtrack.
  • Licence Revoked is a great track. It scores the Wavekrest action sequence very well. However, I believe he is asking to score the film as a whole.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited July 2016 Posts: 2,716
    Licence Revoked is a great track. It scores the Wavekrest action sequence very well. However, I believe he is asking to score the film as a whole.

    Haha! Good catch. I got my 'scores' confused! I scored the score!
    Overall all out of 10 I'd give Licence to Kill an 8. It would be in my top half of bond films easily - perhaps in my top ten. Dalton is quality - although sometimes he goes a little big in this film. I think Sanchez is my favourite bond villain of the 80s - fighting out with Zorin at least. But I really like Davi's performance - he plays it very real and cool. But he also has that blind spot of loyalty which is his downfall. Without question this is my favourite Bond going rogue storyline because it is understandable and sustained narratively. I don't mind Q popping up. I like Desmond Llewelyn in a Bond film and despite this being gritty and brutal it needs its lighter moments. I would have excised the Joe Butcher storyline - bless his heart - because it adds an unnecessary layer to the villain's plot. The Bond girls are both a little bland - in large part due to the actors they chose. But I think the Pam Bouvier character played by a quality actor could have been great. She really has a chance to shine and establish her unique character in the bar fight scene and she doesn't execute it as well as possible. As stated earlier I would have liked to have seen Lupe involved in the third act - especially as they set up the insane jealousy of Sanchez and don't use it as well as they could. Kamen's soundtrack is decent as I stated above. He grabs the Bondian moments well - and that does enough to endear him to me - similar to Arnold's work and the lack of nailing those moments is an issue of mine with Newman's latest work. I think Licence to Kill is generally tonally solid and the villains - Davi, del toro and zerbe especially are well cast. Plenty of fleming and a sense of vendetta for bond - in 1989 - was unique (seeing as they passed on the opportunity to do it in diamonds are forever for obvious reasons).
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    LTK has its inconsistencies but overall it's very rewatchable. Doesn't work too well as a bond film that's why it sits above average in my rankings
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 3,515
    The X-Ray camera bit doesn't work very well so out it goes. And Professor Joe really doesn't mesh with the rest of the story so he either needs a significant re-write or he's toast as well. Sorry, all you Wayne Newton fans! The bar fight is fine to my eyes, as is Talisa Soto. Yes, her "I love James SOOOO much line" was weak so that whole scene where she appears at the hotel room with Q and Pam gets the editorial blue pencil...I like @MajorBoothroyd's idea about giving her a thirst for revenge that makes her more involved in the final arc of the storyline. Felix's "going fishing" scene only needed a nurse remarking on the need to drastically cut his medication to fix that little bit.

    I like LTK more than it really deserves to be liked, probably because it IS so Flemingesque...and because Dalton deserved a few more entries as Bond. But we take what we can get, so I pretty much ignore the winking fish... ;)
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 11,175
    Re-shoot the interrogation scene with Sanchez at the beginning. Unintentionally hilarious because of Killefer hamming it up.

    Agreed that the Q scene is clunky and probably at least needed re-writing. Its always bugged me how Q would "pop round to see how Bond was getting on".

    This isn't the Q of TB that's for certain.

    ...and the whole scene with Pam, Q and Lupe in the hotel room. Terrible scene, not just because of Soto.
  • MI60071987892016MI60071987892016 Australia
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    Who Should Be Recast in this film?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Everyone it's all so bloody awful. :D
  • MI60071987892016MI60071987892016 Australia
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    Everyone it's all so bloody awful. :D

    yes, the bond girls are terrible, also Sanchez really steal's the movie
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