What Do People Think of the So-Called 'Snoopers' Charter'? - Spectre Spoilers!

I don't think Fleming or Fleming's Bond would necessarily have been against it, as in Spectre the bad guys are using the increased use of surveillance to their own ends. There's always been a need to use signals intelligence as well as human intelligence. Obviously this is Bond and isn't really serious comment on this issue, more just taking the 'post-Snowden' context, but the alternative in the film is also morally suspect. M advocates the use of the Licence to Kill instead - i.e. it's prefereable to assassinate the UK's enemies rather than gather evidence against them and try them in a court of law. Which is more like the old KGB's 'wet affairs'.

The real issue for me in what Snowden revealed is the scope for abuse of these powers. It has also revealed how the security services are using such measures because they're finding it difficult to keep up - they have a real issue with encryption, such as with WhatsApp.

What do people think?

Comments

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I can understand and in fact agree that if someone is a suspect, then all types of
    Surveillance should be allowed, if it helps stop a future terrorist attack, but ...
    ... I Honestly can't see what use " checking everthing" can be, surley there would
    Be so much information, it would be impossible to go through it all, so important
    Information would be lost in an avalanche of everyday chatter ?
  • Posts: 582
    I can understand and in fact agree that if someone is a suspect, then all types of
    Surveillance should be allowed, if it helps stop a future terrorist attack, but ...
    ... I Honestly can't see what use " checking everthing" can be, surley there would
    Be so much information, it would be impossible to go through it all, so important
    Information would be lost in an avalanche of everyday chatter ?

    I don't think they would go through it all - the idea I think is to have the metadata, so that if they suspect person A, they can, with a warrant check up on who person A for example has been contacting etc. Facebook currently has no way really of monitoring any suspicious activity, such as terrorists contacting each other to plot etc. If they did they could have helped the authorities to prevent the murder of Lee Rigby. Which is an example of the argument for it. I'm sure they have a way of selecting key words, in fact I think this is well known. I'm by no means an expert on all this, I've never worked for MI5 or MI6!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    So long as they turn a blind eye to peoples porn browsing :D I don't
    Have a problem with it.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 582
    So long as they turn a blind eye to peoples porn browsing :D I don't
    Have a problem with it.

    One would hope our security services have better things to do than check up on such things as this.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Seriously, if it's used to investigate an individual or group. Then I have no
    Problem with it. Originally I thought it was a blanket order consuming
    Everthing, which I thought would be a waste of resources.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 582
    It is blanket in the sense that they would have access to metadata - all of the data, but they certainly wouldn't analyse it all, that wouldn't be possible and their resources since 9/11 have been stretched, I believe the Met and Scotland Yard at times have been pulled in to help.

    And to actually access content they would need a warrant. At the moment it's just the Home Secretary who signs these off, quite a responsibility on one person's shoulders. I think they intend to move towards an American type way of doing this whereby warrants would have to be signed off by committee.

    The scary thing about what Snowden revealed was that GCHQ has the power to remotely use iPhones! The fact that they can do this is scary.
  • Posts: 12,506
    Watched a show on channel 4 call "Hunted" that shows how the state can use technology to monitor everything you do! Very interesting indeed!
  • Posts: 582
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Watched a show on channel 4 call "Hunted" that shows how the state can use technology to monitor everything you do! Very interesting indeed!

    Interesting, I'll have to catch up with that on Channel 4 On Demand.
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    tigers99 wrote: »
    So long as they turn a blind eye to peoples porn browsing :D I don't
    Have a problem with it.

    One would hope our security services have better things to do than check up on such things as this.

    Problem is that access is not limited to the Security Services, but is granted to all kinds of government bodies - such as local councils, trading standards, gambling commission etc. - where powers have been abused such as councils spying on parents to see if they really lived in a school catchment area.

    The new regulations also constrain encryption, which will make our personal data - such as medical records, bank account details etc less secure.

    Do you really want your next door neighbour, who works for the council, rooting around your medical notes?
  • Posts: 582
    Troy wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    So long as they turn a blind eye to peoples porn browsing :D I don't
    Have a problem with it.

    One would hope our security services have better things to do than check up on such things as this.

    Problem is that access is not limited to the Security Services, but is granted to all kinds of government bodies - such as local councils, trading standards, gambling commission etc. - where powers have been abused such as councils spying on parents to see if they really lived in a school catchment area.

    The new regulations also constrain encryption, which will make our personal data - such as medical records, bank account details etc less secure.

    Do you really want your next door neighbour, who works for the council, rooting around your medical notes?

    Why would my nextdoor neighbour be interested in my medical notes? They're not that interesting to be honest.
  • Posts: 12,506
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Watched a show on channel 4 call "Hunted" that shows how the state can use technology to monitor everything you do! Very interesting indeed!

    It's well worth a watch and certainly a very interesting eye opener!
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