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Craig Bond’s “out of character moments”…
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Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
Craig Bond’s “out of character moments”…
So, here’s the thing, I wanted to know, my fellow MI6’ers’, which one is your least favourite is it;
“Bond breaking into “M’s” flat” CR
Or
“Bond dumping Matihs’ body into the dumpster” QOS?
I, for one, chose “Bond breaking into “M’s” flat” CR; Bond is meant to be a military man; he would never break into M’s flat. I just think it was the screenwriter’s idea to have Bond acting “out of control”.
Which brings me on to Mathis body; Bond was desperate, he wanted to hide the body, even if it was only for a few minutes, anything thing to give him a few minutes more…. I would imagine Bond would not like friend to be sharing the ground with his killers. As to the taking of Mathis money, like Bond says “he would not care”; he’s having to keep a lid on his emotions, bottling it up, like Fleming’s said, and he may needed the money in the future.
I know some would say that Bond never treated his friends in way, but I don’t see Mathis as Bond friend, per se. Remember that Bond only has only a few friends. He may have been, eventually, but it’s not Bond and Mathis from the novel, they only just met, not nearly enough time to form a last relationship.
Any thoughts?
So, here’s the thing, I wanted to know, my fellow MI6’ers’, which one is your least favourite is it;
“Bond breaking into “M’s” flat” CR
Or
“Bond dumping Matihs’ body into the dumpster” QOS?
I, for one, chose “Bond breaking into “M’s” flat” CR; Bond is meant to be a military man; he would never break into M’s flat. I just think it was the screenwriter’s idea to have Bond acting “out of control”.
Which brings me on to Mathis body; Bond was desperate, he wanted to hide the body, even if it was only for a few minutes, anything thing to give him a few minutes more…. I would imagine Bond would not like friend to be sharing the ground with his killers. As to the taking of Mathis money, like Bond says “he would not care”; he’s having to keep a lid on his emotions, bottling it up, like Fleming’s said, and he may needed the money in the future.
I know some would say that Bond never treated his friends in way, but I don’t see Mathis as Bond friend, per se. Remember that Bond only has only a few friends. He may have been, eventually, but it’s not Bond and Mathis from the novel, they only just met, not nearly enough time to form a last relationship.
Any thoughts?
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Another out of character moment (although not featured in the actual movies):
"Bond...don't ever break into my house again"
"Mum"
The bin thing does bother me a bit more however. More because it seemed that the producers were trying to deliberately be controversial by having Bond dispose of Mathis's body in that manner.
The Mathis thing was more understandable to me in only one sense, because I grimaced with distaste the first time I saw it. He couldn't exactly drive off with his corpse so he only had two choices. Leave Mathis in the street or get him off. I think it would have been more callous behavior to leave him in the street, plus it's better that his body is missing so Greene and Quantum will have to consider that Mathis may still be alive. I don't think Bond was angry at all with Mathis, even if he told him some things he'd have rather not heard at that moment. Overall, the scene leads you to believe that they weren't the good friends some here feel they were and I can see why. I think it was very obvious that Bond didn't trust Mathis at the end of CR, and really only turned to him for help when he felt he had little choice. I don't think it qualified them as good friends compared to how he is with Leiter, all things considered the scene isn't one of Bond's shining moments as a human being but it wouldn't be the first time Bond left a dead ally behind with little thought while doing his job.
When I think about Craig's out of character moments, I think you hit it on the head. All of this regarding the last two movies is supposed to be about Bond learning what is and isn't expected of him. If you are comparing this Bond to the character as portrayed by the other actors, then you will probably have a negative view of the 2 movies. The idea here according to what I've seen is not to do that and to watch the character grow into what he would become, and there is ample evidence that this is what the writers are trying to get across. Now if that doesn't happen in BOND 23, then I would have to wonder if maybe my opinion needs some further examination.
I disagree that Mathis was not Bond's friend. The films are a little hazy on what made Bond believe Mathis was innocent, and Mathis clearly lies (or at least only tells half a truth) when Bond asks why he came to Bolivia. I always thought Mathis was filled with this great sadness, and that he was looking for a place to die. He felt that if he stayed with Bond, then he might find what he was looking for. And he did.
I watched the intro to Casino again the other day, Craig is in M's residence etc before she comes home, they never explained how Bond could know her address (same way as I found out your name), that was never expanded on either, they just came to an abrupt halt.
The stabbing at the Florida show seemed a bit out of place, I expect Bond to go hunting for targets with his Walther, but can't remember anyone getting knifed before, although there may well have been an incident somewhere along the way. I did question the moment when I saw it.
And Bond wasn't the one who pulled the knife - Alex Dimitrios did. Bond simply overpowered him and used the knife to kill him quietly.
If Bond can leap and run around Madagascar like a greyhound on amphetamines and jump off tall buildings and structures like it was an everyday occurance it won't harm the viewer to put in anything that follows
Also, when Bond and Green are on the upstairs corridor and some bad guys are around and come passing by, the try to look innocent and have a smooch and one of the guys amazingly happens to see Craig wearing a hardly distinguishable earpiece as they go past and mayhem unsues, these people have very fine attention to detail or some extra sensory perception is all I'll add
One of the things that I loved about CR was that we saw people in the spy world who were highly trained professionals - makes it much more interesting and also more tense IMHO.
P.S. Bond was after Le Chiffre(not Greene) in CR and the earpiece wasn't what gave Bond away. It has obviously been a while for you so I'll tell you how he was exposed. If you remember Mathis gives Bond a tracker and listening device. Bond places that in Le Chiffre's inhaler to track his movements during the break in the card game. Le Chiffre meets a suprise guest, a Mr. Obanno who lost his money when Le Chiffre played the stock market. He puts Le Chiffre in a minor choke hold and threatens him and his girlfriend before leaving. Snap back to Bond in the doorway kissing Vesper trying not to give himself away. Obanno's guard hears Le Chiffre gasping and inhaling via the tracker and listening device which Bond can hear from his earpiece. The sound alerts the guard and the tussle ensues. Sorry to correct you so much, but you should brush up on some of the films. As Le Chiffre would say, I mean nothing sinister. ;-)
Here's how I think it would go if he ever did something like that (which I'm doubtful of anyway) - Bond would make that mistake go back to his flat, have a stiff drink, fall asleep and the next day take a shower in preparation to face the music at M's office. The original character WASN'T a rookie and was prepared to take responsibility for his actions.
In fact Bond embarrassed Mi6 quite badly in the events leading up to the YOLT book -and knew it full well. From what I remember he had offered to resign but M wouldn't allow it after earlier being talked out of firing him by his colleagues.
I quote M in the YOLT book:
"He (Bond) didn't make mistakes before now suddenly he's become accident prone".
Bond was too good to make the type of mistakes he made in the first part of the CR film. When he DID make mistakes it was out of character - it was unusual. Bond also had a good reason to be off colour as his wife had just been killed.
I think the "rookie Bond" works quite well in the context of the new era of films but it doesn't really reflect the original character of James Bond - at least IMO.
Another thing: I re-watched some of CR last night - who has a lift leading DIRECTLY to their flat?
Plus, the entire point of the film and QUANTUM OF SOLACE is to show how Bond became the character that Fleming wrote. It's character development.
(I'm certainly no expert on Fleming, i'm just stating my observations).
i.e. Bond rings M and we have the "I got your note" conversation where Bond finds out about the money.
He runs down the corridoor to look for Vesper and see's her dead in an empty room. He reads the letter, scrawls it up and then finds the phone with Mr White's number on it.
It then cuts to M's conversation with Bond on the boat and we go back to the regular ending.