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  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @IncompetentHenchman

    That's a very good list! Even if I disagree with some ;) No 2 especially, that would be on my worst moments list :))

    Yeah, fair enough... I see why quite a lot of people don't like that moment but I appreciate it as a sendoff for Dench in the role and as an appropriate ending for the movie.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Where Brosnan's era was the era that Bond ventured into the blockbuster world, Craig's era is the era where Bond ventures in real world. I'm hoping this doesn't become a trend with future Bonds to make their films realistic - and one thing I can praise Spectre for is slowing down that approach towards realism. It looks like there could well be a return to the Bond of old, which I think we just need another actor for (Craig's not made for it).
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I think you need a mixture of realism and fantasy ala Ian Fleming's novels.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Craig's tenure has been impressive, real, and gritty which i have thoroughly enjoyed! I don't believe it to be over yet though?!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Where Brosnan's era was the era that Bond ventured into the blockbuster world, Craig's era is the era where Bond ventures in real world. I'm hoping this doesn't become a trend with future Bonds to make their films realistic - and one thing I can praise Spectre for is slowing down that approach towards realism. It looks like there could well be a return to the Bond of old, which I think we just need another actor for (Craig's not made for it).
    I tend to agree with this statement, based on the evidence in SP, in my view.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    The Craig era has been a huge disappointment. After the Brilliant CR and the ever growing appreciation of QoS, the last 2 Bond movies unexpectedly dragged the era down to a low that I struggle to find time for. However, that's not to say there aren't some great moments in SF and SP but the 2 movies as a whole really tarnish the era unfortunately.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    After the abysmal Brosnan years, Craig has indeed saved my favourite screen character.
    I too hope he has at least one more shot at Bond.
    Best moments for me...
    CASINO ROYALE
    1. Meeting Vesper on train
    2. Stairwell fight
    3. Sparring with leChiffre throughout card game/torture scene
    4. free running chase
    5. Death of Vesper/ "My name is Bond..!"
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    1. Opening car chase
    2. Tosca sequence
    3. Meeting Mathis and following scene on plane
    4. Scene in sinkhole with Camille after plane sequence
    5. End scene with Yusef
    SKYFALL
    1.Pre-titles sequence
    2. Waking up in bar next morning and getting yet another drink!
    3. Turning the tables on Silva and his goons after Severines death
    4. Scenes with Kincaid ("What did you say you worked at again?")
    5. End scene with M in new office
    SPECTRE
    1. Pre-titles sequence
    2. Entire Rome section (including car chase!!)
    3. Interview with Madeleine at clinic
    4. Fight with Hinx on train
    5. Meeting Blofeld, Meteor room/ control room
    Hopefully there is more to come from Craig!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    The Craig era has been a huge disappointment. After the Brilliant CR and the ever growing appreciation of QoS, the last 2 Bond movies unexpectedly dragged the era down to a low that I struggle to find time for. However, that's not to say there aren't some great moments in SF and SP but the 2 movies as a whole really tarnish the era unfortunately.

    They sort of have been getting worse. Took me a while to appreciate SF, found it dull at first. Still is, really, but I quite like it now. QOS was just a resounding step back.
  • stun_harvestingstun_harvesting
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    Coming from someone who grew up with Moore, Craig was a fantastic actor who had a great run as Bond. The deviation from classic Bond's and Craig's adherence to that keeps me from putting him on par with Connery or Moore as Bond, but he might well have been the best actor of the lot and certainly deserves all the credit this forum seems to be giving him. Casino Royale remains one of the series' great masterpieces, and the fact that Craig nailed it on his first attempt (where even Connery and Moore took two or three to get it done right) is a testament to his capacity as an actor.
  • dogrowup007dogrowup007
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    stun_harvesting wrote: »
    Craig nailed it on his first attempt (where even Connery and Moore took two or three to get it done right)

    I agree that Craig nailed it from the first, I however disagree that Connery or Moore needed two or three.

    For me, Connery got it in one - he was as good in DN as he was in GF. The character feels more defined in GF, but that has more to do with script and production design than with Connery's performance.

    Moore in LALD was very convincing I thought. A different Bond from Connery for sure, but his Bond in LALD isn't that different from the one in MR or OP. I think Moore is the most consistent in his performance of Bond throughout his 7 movies.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2016 Posts: 15,690
    Craig nailed Bond with his first film, however Connery nailed Bond in his very first scene, and I could even say he nailed Bond with the 'Bond.. James Bond' line by itself. That's what puts Connery in a class of his own.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    As far as I know, Connery "took three pictures before he got it right". His performance in DN was undoubtedly exceptional, but apparently (this was before my time, so I can only confirm through secondary sources) that it took his third film before he was universally accepted as Bond. That was stated in the Everything or Nothing documentary, from what I recall.

    Obviously some people love LALD, but to me, Moore never made Bond his own until TSWLM. Whether that was up to Hamilton's inept directing or the producer feud or whatever else, I don't know, but he never gained absolute confidence until TSWLM.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Craig nailed Bond with his first film, however Connery nailed Bond in his very first scene, and I could even say he nailed Bond with the 'Bond.. James Bond' line by itself. That's what puts Connery in a class of his own.

    Precisely.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Craig nailed Bond with his first film, however Connery nailed Bond in his very first scene, and I could even say he nailed Bond with the 'Bond.. James Bond' line by itself. That's what puts Connery in a class of his own.

    A lot of people think Craig nailed it immediately.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    IncompetentHenchman wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Craig nailed Bond with his first film, however Connery nailed Bond in his very first scene, and I could even say he nailed Bond with the 'Bond.. James Bond' line by itself. That's what puts Connery in a class of his own.

    A lot of people think Craig nailed it immediately.

    Considerably.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    They were definitely aided by things like Martin Campbell's directing and a good ensemble when it came to their first films, not to mention all the technical effects. And the best theme songs that they've had yet.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    They were definitely aided by things like Martin Campbell's directing and a good ensemble when it came to their first films, not to mention all the technical effects. And the best theme songs that they've had yet.
    Very true. As has been noted by many here, Campbell just gets Bond. Implicitly. Moreover, he really has an eye for getting the right cast, at least with the major characters.
    IncompetentHenchman wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Craig nailed Bond with his first film, however Connery nailed Bond in his very first scene, and I could even say he nailed Bond with the 'Bond.. James Bond' line by itself. That's what puts Connery in a class of his own.

    A lot of people think Craig nailed it immediately.
    Craig is excellent in CR, and a welcome return to form for the series, but Connery in DN with the benefit of Young's direction is in a league of his own. Pitch perfect to me.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Craig was right for Bond as was Brosnan, both arrived with great success immediately bringing a new Bond to life within their first few minutes of film.
    But neither of them come close to the greatness of Connery.

    +1
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited April 2016 Posts: 4,554
    I watched CR the other day. Brilliant film, but not without its flaws. Yes, Campbell is a fine director, but there were at least a couple of things in CR that were "Huh?" moments.

    One is the awful wide shot of the Ford Focus cruising down a street in the Bahamas. I'm sure Ford had a say in this, as did the tourism bureau in Nassau. Regardless, it's one of the worst shots in a Bond film, more suited for a TV commercial.

    The other is Bond's whirlwind spin routine when almost getting hit by a car. Someone needed to remind Campbell and DC that Bond's under the influence of poison, not alcohol. The shot is cliched and breaks the suspense in that scene.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    TripAces wrote: »
    One is the awful wide shot of the Ford Focus cruising down a street in the Bahamas. I'm sure Ford had a say in this, as did the tourism bureau in Nassau. Regardless, it's one of the worst shots in a Bond film, more suited for a TV commercial.

    They did the same thing in QOS too when Bond and Camille are in the car in Haiti.
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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    One is the awful wide shot of the Ford Focus cruising down a street in the Bahamas. I'm sure Ford had a say in this, as did the tourism bureau in Nassau. Regardless, it's one of the worst shots in a Bond film, more suited for a TV commercial.

    They did the same thing in QOS too when Bond and Camille are in the car in Haiti.

    Which is the worst do we think?

    1. The Ford ad in CR.
    2. The Ford ad in QOS.
    3. The Omega ad in SF PTS.

    They're all shockingly gratuitous but I think I'd probably have to go with QOS as this even has the music for a quirky little city runabout car ad.

    At least the CR one has a cracking rendition of YKMN and the Omega one is just one (albeit veeeerrry looooong) shot.

    Bond films have always had product placement but why is it so jarring in the Craig era?
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Definitely the QoS ad. At least with the CR one it has YKMN along for the ride.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    The Omega name drop in CR.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited April 2016 Posts: 4,554
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @TripAces

    Sorry for asking, I don't get what you mean by whirlwind spin routine. Which moment in the movie is that?

    As for "Huh?" moments, there are some in CR for sure. It is not a perfect movie, not in the sense of what I call perfect anyway.
    Still with those minor flaws it's a solid Top 5 entry imo.

    As for the commercial, yes you are right. And there is another commercial for swim trunks, blue ones.

    After Bond is poisoned, he heads out into the street, where a car honks at him and almost runs him over. Bond spins around like a drunken buffoon and stumbles. It's one of those unintentionally funny moments because it's so cliche.

    But you are right: CR is a terrific film; I am only pointing this out in regards to Campbell's direction, not meant as an overall criticism of the film, which I rank in my top 4 all-time. I think when a film is SO good, its minor flaws seem bigger than they are.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    There was a lot of Sony product flashing going on in CR as well, apart from the aforementioned shameful Omega plug (that impressed look which Green gave in the train must have been good for at least a couple of extra sales globally), and the Ford.

    Great film - I need to watch it again soon but am waiting for the right moment. I've never seen my top 4 (FRWL, TB, CR, TSWLM) in a row, and would like to do that one day special.
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