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Sean Connery: Cinematic Bond or Fleming Bond ?

SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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I know many people here praise Sean Connery for being the perfect Bond according to Ian Fleming actually Ian himslef latter aproved Sean Connery but he is really Ian Fleming's Bond or is he the perfect cinematic Bond very well portrayed that created the mold for Pierce Brosnan and Roger Moore. ?

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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Both.

    More towards cinematic Bond in his latter films.
  • JET007JET007
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    Definitely more cinematic Bond, particularly when it comes to humour.
  • ChrisMC36SSRChrisMC36SSR
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    In Dr. No and From Russia With Love, Sean Connery was Fleming's Bond but from Goldfinger onward, he was more of a cinematic Bond.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I read Goldfinger recently and the way Bond spoke, the way he phrased sentences, the only person I heard in my head was Sean Connery.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    It's difficult not to picture SC in anything Goldfinger related. I also saw him in my head quite often when reading the books that were subsequently made into films starring him.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited August 2015 Posts: 1,778
    ChrisMC36SSR wrote: »
    In Dr. No and From Russia With Love, Sean Connery was Fleming's Bond but from Goldfinger onward, he was more of a cinematic Bond.

    My thoughts exactly. Another reason why Goldfinger was such an important film in the series was because it marked the shift from Ian Fleming's James Bond to United Artist's James Bond.

    Honestly after OHMSS we wouldn't get so close to Fleming until Casino Royale. Even the Dalton films still contained so many tropes and cliches from the Bond blueprint.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    @doubleohhseven
    So could we say in Goldfinger the cinematic Bond was created ?

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Connery was Terrance Young's Bond, not Fleming's. So he's the cinematic Bond.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited August 2015 Posts: 1,778
    Szonana wrote: »
    @doubleohhseven
    So could we say in Goldfinger the cinematic Bond was created ?

    I'd say that there were elements of the cinematic Bond in both DN and FRWL but I yes I think Goldfinger was the first to encompass what the general population thinks is a Bond film.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Yes i guess so its when the gadgets really started to appear, the classic Aston Martin DB5 and the tone of started to go a bitt lighter. It wasn't Roger Moore level at all but still more light hearted than From Russsia with love and Dr No.

    Maybe the first two were just warm ups to what Young had planned for the Character which made it work. So Sean Connery is the first of Both versions of Bond.

    In the first two he was Fleming's bond but with the warning that it would latter change into something different and Goldfinger was the whole new Cinematic Bond.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,189
    It's quite interesting listening to other people read the novels (the audiobooks).The way they narrate a story and critically a voice often means you have a completely different figure in your head.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    It's difficult not to picture SC in anything Goldfinger related. I also saw him in my head quite often when reading the books that were subsequently made into films starring him.

    What I meant was, the way the 50s Bond speaks is the way the dialogue for those Connery films was written. There is a certain way the dialogue was phrased by Fleming that belongs to that era. People here think Dalton captured Fleming's Bond but the dialogue in his films didn't seem to convey that casual style and grace the book Bond seemed to have.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,189
    While the literary character doesn't do the one-liners, he's definitely more casual in the books than some have made out. I remember him shrugging his shoulders a lot and putting his hands in his pockets - things I don't remember Dalton doing.

    Didn't someone say that Dalton wanted to do more of that stuff but Glen wouldn't let him?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Yes, a bad call by Glen. He should've sorted Tim's hair out and not bothered about where he put his hands.

    Talking of one liners I spotted one in Thunderball (book) recently that made me raise my eyebrows as I was always of the opinion Bond had no sense of humour (I'm not a literary 007 scholar by any means).
    When he is about to go on the rack he says 'If you kill me I'll sue'.
    Now this is before the films, and although it isn't a great joke it is a genuinely typical Bond one liner supposedly invented for the films?
  • trevaniantrevanian
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    Print Bond has a sense of humor, it just doesn't turn into Henny Youngman (thank christ.) His comment about the extra ball on the family crest in OHMSS is funny, as is his 'pack of cards & a joker' thought about Drax and his time in MR, it is just that they aren't crowdpleasers like 'she's had her kicks.'

    But when I think about the Bond voice, I always flash back to GOLDEN GUN, which has Bond saying 'golly." Now I can imagine Clint Eastwood impersonating a john in a whorehouse (doesn't take much imagination - see THE ENFORCER) and saying 'golly' but Bond I can't imagine saying golly in any imaginable incarnation (which for years made me unthinkingly support the idea that Amis or somebody else wrote most of GOLDEN GUN, which was a popular assertion in some semi-critical looks at Bond from the 60s.)

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