Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited September 1 Posts: 6,709
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Anyhow, I still maintain that they should first find a killer story, a narrative that would serve a good spy thriller, one for the ages, and then have a very Bondian Bond meddle in it, no excuses, no personal angles except the ones he latter finds himself embroiled in, just St George killing a big old mean dragon with style and panache, and please...GOOD WRITING, not a single cringeworthy word, and no ramping cameras, handheld Bourne cams, lousy CGI, and no new gen pop artist ballad.

    My wishes, just my wishes.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Univex wrote: »
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Shacks! I liked this, it's such a cool line! It's almost very Connery-esque, I could imagine Connery's Bond saying it.
  • Posts: 6,709
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Shacks! I liked this, it's such a cool line! It's almost very Connery-esque, I could imagine Connery's Bond saying it.

    Right? Best line since "This never happened to the other fella..." ;)

    The humorous quote is based on a letter Twain sent to a newspaper reporter who had asked Twain about rumors that he was dying. Although it's not an accurate quote, it would really fit within the context of the series, and be a bit tongue-in-cheek, and brave.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Univex wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Shacks! I liked this, it's such a cool line! It's almost very Connery-esque, I could imagine Connery's Bond saying it.

    Right? Best line since "This never happened to the other fella..." ;)

    The humorous quote is based on a letter Twain sent to a newspaper reporter who had asked Twain about rumors that he was dying. Although it's not an accurate quote, it would really fit within the context of the series, and be a bit tongue-in-cheek, and brave.

    A dream of mine if that line would make it into Bond 26, a great line to introduce the new Bond actor in a cool and witty way with that line.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Univex wrote: »
    Anyhow, I still maintain that they should first find a killer story, a narrative that would serve a good spy thriller, one for the ages, and then have a very Bondian Bond meddle in it, no excuses, no personal angles except the ones he latter finds himself embroiled in, just St George killing a big old mean dragon with style and panache, and please...GOOD WRITING, not a single cringeworthy word, and no ramping cameras, handheld Bourne cams, lousy CGI, and no new gen pop artist ballad.

    This!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I think CR showcased Craig's physicality and gravitas, and I don't think either of those things have gone out of favour with the general public. I think whichever actor is picked, they will have both those qualities, and we'll get a similar showcase for the new actor to show off those qualities - some brutal fights, a big athletic stunt, and at least one big dramatic scene.

    I think it is possible they will bring in 007's supporting players slowly, perhaps one or two introductions per film: M in the first one, Felix in the second, Q and Moneypenny in the third. It would be a way of keeping interest going, similar to the way Craig's films left Moneypenny and Q until the third outing.

    I could support the supporting characters making slow appearances throughout movies. Some (such as a classic villain), should be foreshadowed before making an appearance. Maybe a appearance by an MI6 character from the original books. Ronnie Vallance, for example.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited September 1 Posts: 2,158
    Univex wrote: »
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Anyhow, I still maintain that they should first find a killer story, a narrative that would serve a good spy thriller, one for the ages, and then have a very Bondian Bond meddle in it, no excuses, no personal angles except the ones he latter finds himself embroiled in, just St George killing a big old mean dragon with style and panache, and please...GOOD WRITING, not a single cringeworthy word, and no ramping cameras, handheld Bourne cams, lousy CGI, and no new gen pop artist ballad.

    My wishes, just my wishes.

    Yeah. Agreed. Also, maybe like GE's teaser trailer, Bond 26's teaser trailer starts slowly with the Bond theme and then on the screen the following pop up one after the other.... It's a new era, Villains are more sophisticated, SO IS HE! Bond then walks and shoots at DEAD, it then turns to and reads as ALIVE. Bond then walks from the shadows and into the light and close to the camera, smiles and then says "You thought wrong". The Bond theme now becomes thunderous with quick cuts of scenes from the film :D
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 1 Posts: 6,347
    Univex wrote: »
    I wouldn't oppose a teaser with a man who is Bond to a tee saying "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..." and then the Bond theme blaring with horns and drums to flashes of Bondian cues and actions. Orgasmic as no other has been since the GE trailer.

    Anyhow, I still maintain that they should first find a killer story, a narrative that would serve a good spy thriller, one for the ages, and then have a very Bondian Bond meddle in it, no excuses, no personal angles except the ones he latter finds himself embroiled in, just St George killing a big old mean dragon with style and panache, and please...GOOD WRITING, not a single cringeworthy word, and no ramping cameras, handheld Bourne cams, lousy CGI, and no new gen pop artist ballad.

    My wishes, just my wishes.

    Oh, I don't know...the SP teaser trailer was pretty spectacular. Whoever edited that together probably should have edited the entire film.
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    The Twain quote almost seems essential in the trailer leading up to the next film. It could also anticipate a Bond with Craig's physicality but with a bit more flair and a touch of humor more akin to Connery. I say Connery as RM and PB were always a bit too comedic for my liking.

    @Univex - If Bond 26 isn't a killer story, the series won't last long. If you're going to boldly go where no series has gone before by killing off your main character, when you bring that same character back, you better have something spectacular in mind.

    I believe there are plenty of clever ways to reintroduce Bond in the PTS. Certainly no shortage of good ideas posted on this thread. The real challenge will be what happens after the title scroll? Reinvention and rebirth carry a lot of weight.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I think CR showcased Craig's physicality and gravitas, and I don't think either of those things have gone out of favour with the general public. I think whichever actor is picked, they will have both those qualities, and we'll get a similar showcase for the new actor to show off those qualities - some brutal fights, a big athletic stunt, and at least one big dramatic scene.
    Agreed. Sounds like Sope Dirisu, tbf.

  • Sope Dirisu as Bond is my worst nightmare. Correction: second worst nightmare. My worst nightmare is Paul Mescal playing Bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Mescal looks like one of Barry and Terry's mates off Brookie to me, so not a favourite of mine either. I don't think it'll be Sope. Can't think of anyone else who's got that combination of physicality and gravitas that sandbagger mentioned, but I just don't think that EON will make the leap, so to speak. Sandbagger's identified an elusive quality among younger actors, actually - who's got the necessary gravitas to carry himself convincingly as a successor to Craig's Bond?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    None of these A list actors, or at least those names that been put in such radars would or will ever be Bond for me.

    I'd rather have it be someone whom we didn't saw coming or unexpected but have multiple films or shows under his belt, please surprise me, EON.
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    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?
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    I prefer an actor not heavily identified with a television or film role. The least convincing Bonds were the two who portrayed a Bond not much different from their television roles. (Though I believe PB has become a much better actor since Bond.)
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Mescal looks like one of Barry and Terry's mates off Brookie to me, so not a favourite of mine either. I don't think it'll be Sope. Can't think of anyone else who's got that combination of physicality and gravitas that sandbagger mentioned, but I just don't think that EON will make the leap, so to speak. Sandbagger's identified an elusive quality among younger actors, actually - who's got the necessary gravitas to carry himself convincingly as a successor to Craig's Bond?

    I don't think it'll be Dirisu either, but you never know. For the record I think he's very capable of doing it, and I don't think he'll be passed because he's black or anything like that. I just suspect it'll be a case where he'll likely have other commitments or he might not be quite the actor they're looking for. He may not even want to do it. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.

    For me, it's Harris Dickinson that springs to mind when thinking about a younger actor with that gravitas, screen presence, and physicality. I don't know if it'll be him either for the same reasons as Dirisu, but I personally think he checks quite a lot of boxes and could do it.
  • Since62 wrote: »
    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?

    No, I don't think there is. There's only me - Mr. Blank Slate. Everyone else carries preconceptions, and we need a fresh and unexpected Bond, so we can instantly connect.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    George Lazenby is back as
    James Bond 007
    in
    Last Call

    Starring
    Timothy Dalton
    as
    The Other Fella

    and
    Al Pacino
    as
    Blofeld
  • Posts: 1,646
    echo wrote: »
    George Lazenby is back as
    James Bond 007
    in
    Last Call

    Starring
    Timothy Dalton
    as
    The Other Fella

    and
    Al Pacino
    as
    Blofeld

    If Blofeld gets to work with Mini-Me this time, then Pacino could repeat his well-known liine: "Say hello to my little friend !"
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    Since62 wrote: »
    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?

    No, I don't think there is. There's only me - Mr. Blank Slate. Everyone else carries preconceptions, and we need a fresh and unexpected Bond, so we can instantly connect.

    Fresh and unexpected. Agree. if a known actor is chosen, his appeal is really the role or roles he's played. That's why we know him and like him. In my day Connery and Lazenby were unknowns before Bond. I had seen some of Dalton's roles, but nothing that connected him with a recurring character. Same for Craig. The series doesn't need a star Bond, it just needs a great Bond in a great story.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?

    No, I don't think there is. There's only me - Mr. Blank Slate. Everyone else carries preconceptions, and we need a fresh and unexpected Bond, so we can instantly connect.

    Fresh and unexpected. Agree. if a known actor is chosen, his appeal is really the role or roles he's played. That's why we know him and like him. In my day Connery and Lazenby were unknowns before Bond. I had seen some of Dalton's roles, but nothing that connected him with a recurring character. Same for Craig. The series doesn't need a star Bond, it just needs a great Bond in a great story.

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 2 Posts: 8,419
    I'm almost certain Sope will be the next Bond because he's a charismatic black actor, and thats who the media thinks bond should be in this day and age, they've been banging on about it for years.

    I've been on a 80's Bond film kick for the past few days and it struck me how the 80's really are where they perfected the formula of what a bond film is, and after that certain aspects began to fall to the wayside. Rewatching Octopussy, I was struck by how much of the film is communicated visually, bond arriving by boat, being escorted around, breaking out of his room, sneaking around and seeing Orlovs chopper land. The modern films have lost this little interlude space, giving things for things to breathe, and it makes them feel far move simplistic in their construction, less sophisticated. Bond walks into the hoffler clinic, dialogue scene starts, Swann is grabbed, action scene starts. It's extremely basic, and this is why I say the bond films in the 80's were really about at good as we got, because it felt like they have an extra dimension to how they were put together. Another example is the Afghanistan sequence is TLD. People on horseback riding through the rocky terrain, some gorgoues cinematography and Barry's incredible soft score, its a level of craft I just don't think we touch anymore these days. When Bond lands into England at the end of SP, its immediately into meeting up with M, an emotional scene where Madeline and Bond part ways, and then BOOM right back into action beats, straight into the climax. What happened to letting the score and visuals take centrestage for a brief moment, again it feels like we understood how this all worked back in the 80's and then we started going backwards.

    Another thing that I noticed the 80's films knew were important to a bond film is something I'd term "fantasy opulence". This is wealth and taste taken to a level that it becomes almost cartoonish, think of Dr No's base, Strombergs Atlantis, Octopussys Private Island, auctions, weird food (stuffed sheep's head) etc. I remember as a child this is one of the aspects that stuck with me, because it felt unique to bond. Modern bond film villains have a lot of funds at their disposal, but their interest seems to be technological and ultilitarian, but they don't seem to have the same interest in accruing a vast fortune as say Goldfinger or Blofeld in the old days did. Remember Kamal Khan is just a greedy man who wants money, at the end of the day. The modern day villains all seem to have another motive and, funds and a large facility are necessary to carry out those plans, but personal enrichment doesn't appear to matter to them. I don't get the sense Safin is in it to make himself mega rich and retire.

    This is another aspect in which I think the films have gone backwards. Technology is certainly important in bond, but to my mind it should always be married with this old-world opulence of chandeliers and flattened bear rugs, aquariums filled with exotic fish (or a little octopussy), huge dining tables, portraits on the walls, vintage cars etc. That's what really gets the imagination going, and makes Bond films unique IMO. It seems to me if we want to make the films great again, we really need to go back to where we left off, and pick things up from there - bring back classic bond.
  • edited September 2 Posts: 1,407
    Since62 wrote: »
    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?

    Unlikely. An undiscovered 30-year-old actor with the charisma of a star...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Since62 wrote: »
    MIght there be someone acting primarily on the stage who may be ready to make a strong impression on screen ?

    Unlikely. An undiscovered 30-year-old actor with the charisma of a star...

    Well, she wasn't 30 but Daisy Ridley was undiscovered when she did STAR WARS, I felt she gave a good effort given the material.
  • edited September 2 Posts: 4,259
    Yeah, I think it's very unlikely that a young actor with predominately theatre experience will get anywhere near Bond. The fact is it's a film role. Part of the gravitas needed for the role is essentially screen presence. It's not something that always translates from theatre to film (not to say great actors can't or haven't done both, but they're slightly different styles of acting. A younger, more inexperienced actor may not have honed their style for film).

    Even Daisy Ridley was a working actress (albeit in a smaller roles) in film and television before Star Wars. John Boyega was more or less the same. For James Bond though, I doubt an actor with even that level of experience will fare well. Maybe we'll get another Henry Cavill type auditioning, but I don't think so. They'll likely be working character actors with plenty of mid to larger budget sized film and television under their belts, often in the lead or heavy supporting roles.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If we're following the model of a pendulum swinging from light to dark and back again, then after Craig EON will be looking for a more traditional charismatic bondian figure, think Peirce or Roger. That's what's makes me certain that Sope is the one to beat, because unfortunately the likes of Aidan Turner and his cohorts will all be aged out by the time of Bond 26 begins filming, and Sope is the only one in a suitable age range that fits the mold, plus EON will get the free publicity of "finally" breaking the glass ceiling of a PoC playing Bond. The series looks good and progressive, and the only downside comes for people wishing to maintain the integrity of the character as he was originally concieved.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    That's like saying Barbara should select Daniel because he'll be the first blonde bond. No, she picked him because that's who she liked the most.
    Not because she's trying to appear virtuous.

    What would be honorable and brave is if she picks a classically handsome actor who has the chops to be Bond.
  • edited September 2 Posts: 4,259
    Yeah, I think all it comes down to fundamentally is getting an actor they find interesting and has the gravitas/potential to play the role. They'll want someone with plenty of charisma and screen presence after Craig, but I don't think they'll go into this search specifically trying to find actors who are different to him either. If anything Dirisu's acting style from what I can see isn't a million miles away from Craig's (at least in Gangs of London).

    Anyway, it's pretty unclear at the moment who this role will go to. Much like 2005 there's no real successor here in the public's mind as opposed to when Brosnan finally got the role (yes, I understand EON had their sights on Craig, but again this is very much in the public's mind, and while he was seemingly their favourite they had a wide ranging list of actors and auditioned several of them). I can think of at least 10 names, and I'd like to think all of them would make great Bonds. For EON it's just about finding which one they prefer and can get.
  • edited September 2 Posts: 1,861
    In the early days, the films gained gravitas and audience excitement by using real life gadgets slightly modified and customized for Bonds world. The audience knew they were real and were amazed by the Disco Volante, the Aston Martin DB-5, the Bell jet pack, the attache case, the wet bike and of course Little Nellie, etc. The glider from from NTTD was a cool concept but still not real. I would like them to feature a REAL gadget in B26 to capture some of that original magic. What could that be today or in the near future, I wonder?
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    delfloria wrote: »
    I would like them to feature a REAL gadget in B26 to capture some of that original magic. What could that be today or in the near future, I wonder?
    Drones that can transport people is near future. I'm sure Q department can come up with some nice weapons attached to it.

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