Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited September 2023 Posts: 652
    How would you react if they got Peter Jackson to write and direct? He very famously was considered for TWINE. Him returning to directing after a decade would certainly generate big buzz!

    Definitely an interesting choice. I'd be all for it. He could also handle the humor well, which is something that recent directors have struggled with.
  • That's a good shout, and I'd love that. He handles all the top movie franshises very well. I've watched the LotR movies the most I think.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    JustJames wrote: »
    Wild card:
    Go period, *but* not to the books.
    Go 87-97, because we weren’t in serious spy mode for the films at the first part of that, really engage with the Cold War ending setting, and take us right up to the HK handover as the epilogue to that Cold War and the end of empire. They can even do a couple of Benson adaptations.
    Not strictly Fleming — he started dodging Russia — but open to Fleming themes. And, still very zeitgeist in pop culture, though they are moving on to the 2ks. (See how Liason used that in its backstory, for one example of 2k nostalgia)

    I still would like to see Benson's Union Trilogy get adapted. They'd have to be changed a bit, but I still believe that they are filmable. Just film them back to back to back, with the same production crew.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Jeff Sneider, who is a trustworthy person with real sources talks about the recent Nolan rumors: (starting at 1 hour 2 minutes)

    What’s really interesting is that he says that many years ago Nolan pitched a Bond trilogy to EON but they passed on it, likely because he wanted too much control. Here is my take: if the main issue for EON is that Nolan wants to set his Bond film(s) in the past, they should let him just do a one-off Bond film with an actor who only does one film. This would be the perfect time to do a one-off Bond film set in the past considering the ending of NTTD.

    How about 2 Nolan films - one set in the past, and the next one set in modern day, both based on Fleming books, but also (most controversially) both featuring the same actor?

    Now that would be slightly mind blowing...


    No precedent for it. Incossigle!

    (Ees not incossigle...)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2023 Posts: 15,117
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeah, but I lived through the '80s - hated it then, hate the memory of it now. It's a hard Hell no from me, man! ;)

    Well me too, but I think it has a good flavour to it for a spy story which the Roger and Gardner ones perhaps didn't quite tap. Or maybe 70s Bond hasn't quite been done: think of the Tinker Tailor film.
    Jeff Sneider, who is a trustworthy person with real sources talks about the recent Nolan rumors: (starting at 1 hour 2 minutes)

    What’s really interesting is that he says that many years ago Nolan pitched a Bond trilogy to EON but they passed on it, likely because he wanted too much control. Here is my take: if the main issue for EON is that Nolan wants to set his Bond film(s) in the past, they should let him just do a one-off Bond film with an actor who only does one film. This would be the perfect time to do a one-off Bond film set in the past considering the ending of NTTD.

    How about 2 Nolan films - one set in the past, and the next one set in modern day, both based on Fleming books, but also (most controversially) both featuring the same actor?

    Now that would be slightly mind blowing...


    No precedent for it. Incossigle!

    (Ees not incossigle...)

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    Ustinov's Poirot was both in period and contemporary too.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
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    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeah, but I lived through the '80s - hated it then, hate the memory of it now. It's a hard Hell no from me, man! ;)

    Well me too, but I think it has a good flavour to it for a spy story which the Roger and Gardner ones perhaps didn't quite tap. Or maybe 70s Bond hasn't quite been done: think of the Tinker Tailor film.

    I'm quite firm that they should stay in the present, but I'll admit, a period film (or a novel) set in the post-60s era sounds more interesting to me than just going back to the 50s and 60s.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I loved the 80's but for a period piece I would go with the 60's
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeah, but I lived through the '80s - hated it then, hate the memory of it now. It's a hard Hell no from me, man! ;)

    Well me too, but I think it has a good flavour to it for a spy story which the Roger and Gardner ones perhaps didn't quite tap. Or maybe 70s Bond hasn't quite been done: think of the Tinker Tailor film.
    Jeff Sneider, who is a trustworthy person with real sources talks about the recent Nolan rumors: (starting at 1 hour 2 minutes)

    What’s really interesting is that he says that many years ago Nolan pitched a Bond trilogy to EON but they passed on it, likely because he wanted too much control. Here is my take: if the main issue for EON is that Nolan wants to set his Bond film(s) in the past, they should let him just do a one-off Bond film with an actor who only does one film. This would be the perfect time to do a one-off Bond film set in the past considering the ending of NTTD.

    How about 2 Nolan films - one set in the past, and the next one set in modern day, both based on Fleming books, but also (most controversially) both featuring the same actor?

    Now that would be slightly mind blowing...


    No precedent for it. Incossigle!

    (Ees not incossigle...)

    benny-hill.gif

    99655436f00c964d8c1baaca02d8f9c755eaabe4.pnj


    Ustinov's Poirot was both in period and contemporary too.

    I guess Christopher Lee's Dracula would be another example, yes.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Good point, yes. Although I guess in his case, it could still be the same character!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So Mitchum wasn't? But I kid and take your point.

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    mtm wrote: »
    It's also a little fraught: looking at the performances of the likes of Indy 5 or Man From UNCLE, I could see why studio bosses could be nervous of a period action film.
    I'm trying to think of exceptions. I guess Captain America? That was a while ago though.

    Though I love the UNCLE film, the general public is not predisposed to action/thriller films set in the past. It would be a really big risk to go period while introducing a new Bond.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Which books would you like?

    TMWTGG or DAF. Neither have been properly adapted.
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    Bond returning to the 60s? Austin Powers has already done that. I have no interest in seeing Bond make calls from pay phones along with the silly nods and winks that must inevitably follow as Bond and company grapple with ancient technologies intended to amuse modern audiences. Faithful adaptations of previous films need not be set in the past. Fleming wrote during the era that was modern to him. What does a period piece bring to the series?
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    Bond returning to the 60s? Austin Powers has already done that. I have no interest in seeing Bond make calls from pay phones along with the silly nods and winks that must inevitably follow as Bond and company grapple with ancient technologies intended to amuse modern audiences. Faithful adaptations of previous films need not be set in the past. Fleming wrote during the era that was modern to him. What does a period piece bring to the series?

    This is Nolan. There won't be any silly nods and winks.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,394
    We can adapt some unused Fleming materials for a modern day, hence, why I think TSWLM would've make for an interesting PTS with introduction of the new Bond actor (without any of the dated lines like semi-****).
  • edited September 2023 Posts: 12,837
    My preference would be the 50s for a period piece, just because it’s a decade we haven’t seen on screen before. It’d be cool to see him driving the blower bentley too.

    But I don’t really want that or any period piece, and I don’t think it’d be a good thing for the future of the series (it wouldn’t help shake the perception of it being an old man thing to young people). I want them to do what they’ve always done. Move forward with new stories, to show everyone how timeless and adaptable the whole thing is. And I’d like less nods to the past in those stories too.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 2023 Posts: 8,160
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )
  • edited September 2023 Posts: 12,837
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Indy 5 sadly died on its arse at the box office though. I don’t think they can take these characters being relevant for granted anymore.

    And I think most of the people who actually know who Nolan is, who’d get excited over his name alone, are probably already going to watch the new Bond film. Oppenheimer was a lightning in a bottle sort of thing that benefitted massively from Barbie, and I think a lot of people who jumped on that bandwagon were disappointed (I really liked it, thought it was much better than Interstellar and Tenet, but the reaction at my screening was pretty similar to how @jetsetwilly described his). Generally I don’t think his name has that much pull. The Dark Knight and Inception were ages ago now.

    Not saying a period Bond film from him wouldn’t be successful. But I don’t think it’d bring in many new fans or do much for the future of the series, in the same way a GE/CR style update would.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2023 Posts: 3,394
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Every Bond actor is a representation of
    different eras, now if we're going to hire a Bond actor to play in a period piece, it would be devoid of identity, in style, in filmmaking, especially in time period, and what's worse in it are: it's no longer an authentic one (it's still a film made in present time just with a retro skin), second, it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas on how to make unique plots while still maintaining Bond in contemporary world.

    Sure, it would be hyped, granted, it's made by Nolan, but it worked for other films, Bond is not a franchise going backwards, it's a representation of evolution through times.

    The only way a period Bond could work, was in a spin off through a TV show (series), by episodes with different adventures set in 50's, but still after 50's, where would it go? It would complicate things, like new adventures set in 60's? But where the 60's Bond films would've worked in these? 70's? Because it needs to evolve, not just to stay in one timeline, man, Bond is not Doctor Who.

    A period piece could bring more problems and could detriment the Franchise moreso than what TMWTGG and LTK did before (and they've almost put the Franchise in sleep).

    If I were Nolan, I would just make my own Spy Franchise set in Cold War Era, but leave Bond alone.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Every Bond actor is a representation of
    different eras, now if we're going to hire a Bond actor to play in a period piece, it would be devoid of identity, in style, in filmmaking, especially in time period, and what's worse in it are: it's no longer an authentic one (it's still a film made in present time just with a retro skin), second, it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas on how to make unique plots while still maintaining Bond in contemporary world.

    Yeah I tend to agree.
  • Posts: 3,059
    I suppose another element of this rumour is the feasibility of adapting the remaining Fleming novels. I suppose MR could work in a period setting, but it’s a story in which specific elements have already been adapted in the films anyway. It’s debatable what a more faithful adaptation would add in that sense.

    DAF is an option, but it’s one of Fleming’s novels that tends to get criticised for a weak main villain so would need some work put into it. Even then the film we have already adapted things like Wint and Kitt (arguably done better than in the book) and the ending etc. The titles and character names would certainly have to be changed.

    I dunno, I think EON have an interesting thing going - that’s to say using the novels as a basis for ideas but essentially crafting original stories.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Nolans films make money based on the name attached. Guaranteed that Oppenheimer doesn't make the amount it did with any other director. (Maybe Spielberg)

    Nolan’s films had been having diminishing returns after THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, with each new film making less and less. Granted, TENET suffered from COVID, but it’s also generally regarded as one of his weaker works too, so there was a moment where it looked like Nolan’s name started to lose the appeal. OPPENHEIMER is really a comeback film for him in terms of being a blockbuster director. It’s literally his biggest hit since his last Batman film.

    If anything, that makes the chances of doing Bond more difficult. If OPPENHEIMER wasn’t the hit it turned out to be, I could imagine him going to Eon as a way of making a sure needed hit to rejuvenate career. Having even less clout, he’d be less inclined to push for things Eon wouldn’t go for. But now after OPPENHEIMER, he has the clout to be more pushy, which could potentially make him less desirable for Eon.

    We’ll see.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Every Bond actor is a representation of
    different eras, now if we're going to hire a Bond actor to play in a period piece, it would be devoid of identity, in style, in filmmaking, especially in time period, and what's worse in it are: it's no longer an authentic one (it's still a film made in present time just with a retro skin), second, it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas on how to make unique plots while still maintaining Bond in contemporary world.

    Yeah I tend to agree.

    Really? I'm not following the logic that adapting the novels down to the period in which they were set somehow robs the character of his identity, whilst changing the character keeps the character true to his roots. Surely you can't get truer to Bond than the original books?

    This seems similar to to Steven Moffatt saying that updating Holmes to the 21st century was truer to the character than setting it in its original Victorian era. I like Moffatt's Sherlock just fine, but in no way is it truer to the character than the Jeremy Brett version that adapted the Conan Doyle stories.

    I'm not saying I'm all for going period, but I totally see why fans of the books might want a close adaptation.

    I think the point is moot anyway as I don't see it happening even if Nolan wants it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Every Bond actor is a representation of
    different eras, now if we're going to hire a Bond actor to play in a period piece, it would be devoid of identity, in style, in filmmaking, especially in time period, and what's worse in it are: it's no longer an authentic one (it's still a film made in present time just with a retro skin), second, it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas on how to make unique plots while still maintaining Bond in contemporary world.

    Yeah I tend to agree.

    Really? I'm not following the logic that adapting the novels down to the period in which they were set somehow robs the character of his identity, whilst changing the character keeps the character true to his roots. Surely you can't get truer to Bond than the original books?

    This seems similar to to Steven Moffatt saying that updating Holmes to the 21st century was truer to the character than setting it in its original Victorian era. I like Moffatt's Sherlock just fine, but in no way is it truer to the character than the Jeremy Brett version that adapted the Conan Doyle stories.

    I'm not saying I'm all for going period, but I totally see why fans of the books might want a close adaptation.

    I think the point is moot anyway as I don't see it happening even if Nolan wants it.

    Great post…
  • Posts: 3,059
    mtm wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    A Nolan Bond trilogy set in the late 50's sounds intriguing to me. Its not like every indiana jones or sherlock holmes story isn't from a different era and I find those perfectly exciting and engaging, not sure where the criticism of this idea is coming from.

    (People saying it will turn off audiences - Not with CHRISTOPHER NOLAN behind the camera it won't ;) )

    Every Bond actor is a representation of
    different eras, now if we're going to hire a Bond actor to play in a period piece, it would be devoid of identity, in style, in filmmaking, especially in time period, and what's worse in it are: it's no longer an authentic one (it's still a film made in present time just with a retro skin), second, it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas on how to make unique plots while still maintaining Bond in contemporary world.

    Yeah I tend to agree.

    Really? I'm not following the logic that adapting the novels down to the period in which they were set somehow robs the character of his identity, whilst changing the character keeps the character true to his roots. Surely you can't get truer to Bond than the original books?

    This seems similar to to Steven Moffatt saying that updating Holmes to the 21st century was truer to the character than setting it in its original Victorian era. I like Moffatt's Sherlock just fine, but in no way is it truer to the character than the Jeremy Brett version that adapted the Conan Doyle stories.

    I'm not saying I'm all for going period, but I totally see why fans of the books might want a close adaptation.

    I think the point is moot anyway as I don't see it happening even if Nolan wants it.

    I think once you get into the realm of film adaptation it’s not about keeping everything the same as the source material. Just by nature of changing the medium it’s never going to be 100% ‘true’ to the original work. Still, in spirit the Fleming novels are set in their contemporary times as many have noted, touching on issues of the time. In that sense the films are truer in spirit to the books by modernising themselves rather than a period piece.
  • edited September 2023 Posts: 505
    “ it would show that the filmmakers are already frustrated and running out of ideas”

    If these rumours are true, EON does not want to set it in the past so they cartainly cannot be accused of wanting to set it in the past because they’ve run out of ideas. It’s Nolan who wants to set it in the past. And there is no way he would not have like a dozen ideas for a present day set Bond that are far better than anything Purvis and Wade have ever come up with. No, if Nolan wants to set it in the past it’s not because he has no other idea. It’s because his BEST Bond idea demands it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Thinking that a Bond film set in the 60’s will automatically be like Austin Powers is like thinking that any film set in the future will be like Woody Allen’s “Sleeper” .
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That’s the thing, Bond was never intended to be a period piece or throwback nostalgia jerkfest. Fleming always want to keep Bond in the present, dealing with the changing of his world. That’s why I have a hard time with approaching the recent novels by boomers who want to wallow in the past they’re more familiar with.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    That’s the thing, Bond was never intended to be a period piece or throwback nostalgia jerkfest. Fleming always want to keep Bond in the present, dealing with the changing of his world. That’s why I have a hard time with approaching the recent novels by boomers who want to wallow in the past they’re more familiar with.

    Yes, but we are talking about adaptations of the books. It's not the same thing.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    In that case you just do what CASINO ROYALE did.
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