Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
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    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Is there anything planned for the 60th anniversary this year? New Bond release wise?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Back on topic, I’ve always liked the idea of a wolf in sheep’s clothing sort of Bond. I know that’s all of them to an extent, but I mean someone who can flick between the two sides of the character (the gentleman and the killer) at their most extreme. Someone who doesn’t seem overtly dangerous, and has heaps of Moore/Brosnan style charm, but can suddenly turn into Daniel Craig when the action kicks off. Struggling to think of many actors who could pull that off though. Maybe someone like Rege Jean-Page, he’s a name who’s come up a lot who @007HallY just reminded me of on the Bond actor thread. He’s got the charming side down and he seems physically fit enough to match the handier Bonds in the fight scenes, with the right training.

    Jean-Page isn't implausible. I think he'd make a good Moore-esque Bond, quite gentlemanly (ironically he's starring in a reboot of The Saint which means he most likely won't be able to commit to Bond).

    I get what you mean though. I personally think after Craig we'll get a very different approach to the role from the new actor. I've talked much about how Bond 26 could evoke The Batman in terms of plot, but it could also be a similar situation in terms of the lead actor's performance. Like Bale's Batman, Craig's Bond was a force of nature - he bulked up for CR, he committed to the actions scenes and even broke bones for the role. Despite that, for all his attempts to make Bond more 'human' I never got the sense he had read that much Fleming or cared for the novels. Like Pattinson's approach to Batman, I suspect (and hope) the new Bond actor will instead revisit the source material, try to understand the character, put their own spin on it and ignore things like working out, getting the six pack, doing all their own stunts etc. It'd work in the context of a more low key but still fantastical film.

    I can only go off of what my wife and her friends say. None of them are huge Bond fans and they only go because the husbands drag them.

    BUT...

    Any suggestion that Page could be the next Bond arouses their, uh...interest considerably.

    Page is young, sexy, and brings ethnic diversity to the role. I would not at all be shocked if he's the man.

    I bet you any money he isn't.

    He most likely won't. As I've said before he likely won't be committed enough to do it in the near future. Also, he probably wouldn't be the right fit depending on a) his interpretation of the role and b) what direction they want the series to go in after the Craig era. Besides, he's usually mentioned in potential Bond lists alongside Hardy, Elba and Cavill so this is a sign that he won't, in all likelihood, be cast.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    I respectfully disagree. Moments like Jaws dropping the rock on his foot in TSWLM are clearly designed for children to enjoy. I'd also throw in the elephant spraying Pepper in TMWTGG.

    Cubby, Barbara, and Michael I think are all on record calling the films "family entertainment."
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    Definitely for kids. It was Teens and pre-teens that spread the word. At least from late ‘60s onward (with a drop off in the’80s). Until Craig. That’s who filled the theaters. I know I was there.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I always saw Bond being primed for older audiences, but that they’re still enjoyed by kids of a certain age.

    It sorta depends on what kind of Bond films are made. I can see kids gravitate towards the outlandish entries like GF, YOLT, TSWLM, etc. On the other hand, I can’t see kids enjoying the more grown up films like LTK and QOS on the same level. And Craig’s films definitely leaned more heavily on grown up films than not.
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    The Bond series is like a gourmet ice cream shop. 20+ flavors to satisfy every mood and taste!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    We’re truly a spoiled bunch.
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    In the 60s Broccoli and Saltzman described the series as "sadism for the whole family."
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Is there anything planned for the 60th anniversary this year? New Bond release wise?

    We hope so, we’re all waiting!

    I could see some reintroduced characters from the books and movies make an appearance in the next couple of Bond movies. Blofeld, Goldfinger, Trevelyan, Goodnight etc. That’s one current trend that I see EON following for a while. For better or worse, it is a movie series trend now. It’s how they do it that will make it work. If it’s another origin story, I would like to see Charmian Bond and May finally get their film introduction. Also, if they go that route, I would like to see EON take inspiration from Richard Maibaum and Michael G. Wilson’s Bond 15 origin story. There is some great story beats in that screenplay.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Definitely for kids. It was Teens and pre-teens that spread the word. At least from late ‘60s onward (with a drop off in the’80s). Until Craig. That’s who filled the theaters. I know I was there.

    As an early teen in '64, seeing Goldfinger for the first time made me a Bond fan for life.
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    I wonder what it is like now when someone discovers James Bond and realizes they have 24 other movies to catch up on and dozens of novels? I only had to catch up on Dr. No, FRWL and the Fleming novels when it happened to me.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    I wonder what it is like now when someone discovers James Bond and realizes they have 24 other movies to catch up on and dozens of novels? I only had to catch up on Dr. No, FRWL and the Fleming novels when it happened to me.

    Well, it’s a daunting task ^^
    There certainly is a completionistic streak in the fandom and I think it’s very much a question of access. I really got into Bond to more of a degree than just „I enjoy these current films and I guess I’ll check new ones out“, when a streaming service here in Germany I have access to had all the films available. If I would have had to pay for every single one, I’m pretty sure I still would never have checked out TLD and LTK for example, just because I barely was aware of them. Those are never on TV here, f.e. It’s all Connery, Brosnan and Craig and now and again a Moore thrown in. Which is why I hope Amazon can get the worldwide streaming rights sorted and give way more people way easier access to all of the films.
    And then it’s kind of the decision whether you want to and have the access dive into the older films, to be able to keep up in places like this, or you just kind of stay at surface level.

    Same for the books, by the way. If I hadn’t found a semi-legal (we’ll honestly fully illegal) way to get digital copies of the Fleming books, I probably would have never read them. I still have never touched a continuation novel except for the Horowitz‘s.

    But that’s kind of every bigger fandom. Watching all of Game of Thrones is a roughly 70 hour commitment, plus the books. The MCU is 27 films and a handful of TV shows, plus hundreds of comics. Bond has the distinct advantage (or used to) that it really doesn’t take away from your enjoyment of GoldenEye whether you’ve seen Diamonds are Forever or have read Casino Royale. It all kind of comes together when you know all of it, but it’s hardly necessary.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I watched Skyfall, and I'm thinking what happened to Bond's lover there? Tonia Sotiropolou
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    She is a daughter of SPECTRE. SHE IS A DAUGHTER OF SPECTRE!
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I watched Skyfall, and I'm thinking what happened to Bond's lover there? Tonia Sotiropolou

    There were a few characters during Craig's tenure that I wondered about, particularly Corinne and Beam from QoS. In fact, I would have liked seeing David Harbour reprise his role as Beam, to be what Ash was, in NTTD.
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    She has two kids now. Guess who’s the dad. 😎😎
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    TripAces wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I watched Skyfall, and I'm thinking what happened to Bond's lover there? Tonia Sotiropolou

    There were a few characters during Craig's tenure that I wondered about, particularly Corinne and Beam from QoS. In fact, I would have liked seeing David Harbour reprise his role as Beam, to be what Ash was, in NTTD.

    I assumed he was fired and or imprisoned for his role in aiding Quantum. M says he was replaced but he had to have received more punishment than a simple demotion.
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    I don't think the series has ever been intended for children but the genius of the series is there were many elements children can still enjoy.

    The story, comedy and sexual element for adults and probably some of the comedy and the stunts for kids.

    I saw AVTAK at the cinema when I was 7 years old. I started my son on the Moore films, TSWLM, FYEO, MR and AVTAK and he thoroughly enjoyed the stunts at 10 yrs old, he didn't take all that much interest in the story of any of them though.

    Subsequently, he has shown zero interest in the Craig era as the fun has been drained out of the series. This is what needs to return. I like the good Craig films but I don't find them as re-watchable as even the mediocre films of the original 20, due to the lack of fun.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Wouldn't that have been the scriptwriters, not Mendes?
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Yeah, award winning filmmaker and guy who only did Bond because Daniel Craig asked him to at a party Sam Mendes is a "franchise hack".
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Yeahhh....no. Mendes and Tamahori don't even belong in the same category. Tamahori is the Joel Schumacher of the Bond universe.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I watched Skyfall, and I'm thinking what happened to Bond's lover there? Tonia Sotiropolou

    There were a few characters during Craig's tenure that I wondered about, particularly Corinne and Beam from QoS. In fact, I would have liked seeing David Harbour reprise his role as Beam, to be what Ash was, in NTTD.

    I assumed he was fired and or imprisoned for his role in aiding Quantum. M says he was replaced but he had to have received more punishment than a simple demotion.

    For civil servants, promotion also isn't out of the question.

    I wondered about Mathis' girlfriend Gemma. Nice lady, still seemed like she could hold a grudge.

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Yeahhh....no. Mendes and Tamahori don't even belong in the same category. Tamahori is the Joel Schumacher of the Bond universe.

    Because SKYFALL and the direction by Mendes are nearly universally praised, it’s not a surprise there’s some fans that want to tear down that narrative and will even go as far to say he’s the worst thing to happen to Bond.

    Even if he hadn’t come back for SPECTRE he’d still get derided by those folks. Maybe even the assertion that “he thinks he’s too good to do more than one film”. Because, haters gonna hate.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Yeahhh....no. Mendes and Tamahori don't even belong in the same category. Tamahori is the Joel Schumacher of the Bond universe.

    Because SKYFALL and the direction by Mendes are nearly universally praised, it’s not a surprise there’s some fans that want to tear down that narrative and will even go as far to say he’s the worst thing to happen to Bond.

    Even if he hadn’t come back for SPECTRE he’d still get derided by those folks. Maybe even the assertion that “he thinks he’s too good to do more than one film”. Because, haters gonna hate.
    As demonstrated by the YouTube comment section every day.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    They're definitely not made for children, but they can easily be enjoyed by children. I can't think of anything in any Bond film that would be unsuitable for a child over about eight-years old.

    That's all I was saying. I'm not taking away anybody's childhood, please relax.

    And teens are not kids. That's what makes them teenagers. Teenage themes can include smoking, drinking, some sexual stuff. That all happens in your teens to most people viewing these movies. But the movies are not INTENDED for children to be the primary audience by the filmmakers, unless they work for the toy licensing department.

    I don't want anyone involved in a Bond movie seeing people ask to be treated like children; I dislike Sam Mendes two Bond films because I can see his childhood, not a movie.

    Hmm. We must have watched different films. ;)

    I like about a third of Skyfall, and it's the Home Alone part, which still doesn't make me happy. Sam Mendes is as big a franchise hack as Lee Tamahori, playing with his favorite toys. He even took Mr White's return straight from this forum, I'm almost positive.

    Yeahhh....no. Mendes and Tamahori don't even belong in the same category. Tamahori is the Joel Schumacher of the Bond universe.

    Because SKYFALL and the direction by Mendes are nearly universally praised, it’s not a surprise there’s some fans that want to tear down that narrative and will even go as far to say he’s the worst thing to happen to Bond.

    Even if he hadn’t come back for SPECTRE he’d still get derided by those folks. Maybe even the assertion that “he thinks he’s too good to do more than one film”. Because, haters gonna hate.

    I'd say Mendes is middle-of-the-road for me in terms of Bond directors, like Lewis Gilbert. Not terrible, but not great either, but he has to be given some respect because SF was universally praised, and he also did more than one movie.

    My favourite directors would have to be Young, Hamilton, Hunt, Glen and Campbell.

  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    This is slightly off topic, but can anyone give an example of a non-superhero/non-supernatural character in myth, literature, or film who was killed off but then brought back without a massive retcon? Because I honestly can't think of any.
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