Who should/could be a Bond actor? *SPOILERS*

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    AceHole wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think the charisma and toughness is the two things that I struggle to see in a lot of potential candidates

    Yes. Acting ability, charisma PLUS a bit of a masculine energy is not easy to find

    This is it in a nutshell, but you missed one other factor - looks! The next actor needs the whole package.

    Often looking at a photo of an actor, it can be easy to see him playing Bond, until you see the other factors come into play on screen too - charisma, sex appeal, masculinity, and acting chops. Finding someone who ticks all these boxes isn't as easy as it sounds.

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    QsCat wrote: »
    Calm down guys.. Sam does look like Bond in those photos, but it’s not difficult to make an actor appear however you want them to in a close-up. Many of you could even be made to look like Bond if your hair and make-up was done just so, if the lighting was just right.
    Could you actually see him playing Bond? Looking and acting like Bond, whatever the shot? Pulling off the action? I can’t.
    And where do I find these people who can make me look like Bond
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    AceHole wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think the charisma and toughness is the two things that I struggle to see in a lot of potential candidates

    Yes. Acting ability, charisma PLUS a bit of a masculine energy is not easy to find

    This is it in a nutshell, but you missed one other factor - looks! The next actor needs the whole package.

    Often looking at a photo of an actor, it can be easy to see him playing Bond, until you see the other factors come into play on screen too - charisma, sex appeal, masculinity, and acting chops. Finding someone who ticks all these boxes isn't as easy as it sounds.

    it's darn difficult, @jetsetwilly !
    That's why we should not be worried about things like hair colour and height (within reason)... if a guy has the acting ability, charisma, masculinity AND looks then he should be signed up. There just aren't many around.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    What are the odds they'll announce Bond #7 on global James Bond day 2022? Would it be too soon?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    What are the odds they'll announce Bond #7 on global James Bond day 2022? Would it be too soon?

    I'm not sure any of us really have any idea. I wouldn't rule it out, because we don't know how far along Eon are in the casting process and we don't know how important it may be for financing for a new face to be announced; but that cuts both ways, and it could be three years before they announce the new guy. It must be one hell of a stressful decision to make.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    What are the odds they'll announce Bond #7 on global James Bond day 2022? Would it be too soon?

    If they do the screentests the way I understand them to have been done previously it would probably be too soon.

    From what I gather at least for Craig/Casino Royale they already had an idea where they wanted to go with the character - re-boot with the plot of CR and a grittier direction in general - and they already had Martin Campbell signed up and had him direct the screentests. Getting all of that lined up and then doing screentests and then getting everything squared away contractually with the new guy seems like a really tall order to get done for 5 October next year.

    They've always claimed they haven't really thought about the future and have been focussed on getting Craig's last film out of the door as succesfully as possible. I don't really buy that, given that they had a whole lot of added time due to the pandemic delays. On the other hand, it does seem as if they nowadays like to look at the reception of the latest film, before commiting to anything for the next one.

    Fukunaga has said he originally held talks with Eon about a reboot, but then Craig came back and they went with Boyle before coming back to him. So he might just have enough of a package ready to go to start screentesting guys in like early spring. But I kind of doubt they would go that quickly, even if continuing with him wouldn't be the worst call.

    Edit:
    Btw., the mothership reports (via The Hollywood Reporter) that there have been first talks between MGM and EON about the casting (https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/mgm-chief-confirms-early-next-bond-talks-211124):
    THR: I might as well get this out of the way. Who is going to be the next 007 now that Daniel Craig is done?

    PA: It’s wide open. We’ve had very early preliminary conversations with Barbara [Broccoli] and Michael [Wilson], but we wanted Daniel to have his last hurrah.
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    On one hand I find it very hard to believe they're discussing the next Bond actor so soon. Is there even a script ready for B26? I sincerely doubt it.
    However, it would be encouraging if this were the case as we might not have to wait another 6 years for the next movie, if they're getting a head start now.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    When Daniel’s return was in doubt, Barbara and Cary did discuss potential candidates ; as much as they may say , we haven’t even begun to think about it’ they have. There might not be one who is catching her eye as. Craig did, but I’m sure that there are a handful of actors who she sees as having potential.
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    I find this news...

    Shocking.....


    Positively Shocking
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    On one hand I find it very hard to believe they're discussing the next Bond actor so soon. Is there even a script ready for B26? I sincerely doubt it.
    However, it would be encouraging if this were the case as we might not have to wait another 6 years for the next movie, if they're getting a head start now.

    I think it might be a bit of a chicken and egg situation: you can find a fitting actor for a specific script, or you can write a script tailored for a specific actor. I'm sure they're throwing ideas in the air.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    "very early preliminary conversations" could mean anything of course. It could mean they are talking about a timetable without any names; it could mean they are talking about who gets to bring names into the discussion and who doesn't; it could mean they just looked each other in the eye and said "we're not going to do a woman, right?!"; it could also mean they've all sent each other the very detailed lists of contenders they have been keeping for the last five years.

    I find it interesting that she didn't say something along the lines of "casting is the last thing to do, we want to figure out how to go forward with the franchise first" or something like that. So it seems to me like casting is pretty early in their timetable for B26 and they might try to take the best pick on the board and then see what they can do with him, instead of making a plan for the film and then seeing who fits into that the best. Or I am hopelessly over-interpreting a two-sentence answer in one interview.
    It's probably the latter.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @talos ... This sounds like a pitch meeting, doest it? It sounds like Cary wanted a Bond film and he had ideas on how he would develop the story.

    Of course they'd throw on the table that Person A, B, or C might be good, BUT, in the end, obviously none of the spit-balling candidates impressed, or Broccoli would have pursued this-- after all, she didn't have a Bond at the time.

    Next thing Cary knows is a few months later Craig announced his return and Boyle came on as director.

    Sounds like the conversation ended at that table and seemingly no follow up.


    Chatting to someone close to EoN and he reminded me : Barbara Broccoli is a producer of Daniel Craig's MacBeth,and they're going into rehearsals soon in New York; there are also personal events taking place within the family,; Amazon will want to be a part of the auditioning process, and the final sale won't be complete for quite some time.... So moving parts....
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Absolutely @peter But EON has a history of filing ideas, and actors, away pulling them out at a later date. That day , that conversation may have ended at the table but the seeds planted may one day be harvested, particularly with Cary’s success with NTTD.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    True, @talos7 …. And speaking of NTTD— did you leave your thoughts? I know that even if I agree or disagree with your thoughts, you’ll leave a well thought out review that I’d enjoy to read (or just DM me 😉)
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    I don't doubt EON in some way have had 'thoughts' or 'feelers out' for the past number of years but without acting on any of it - it just feels like the most logical thing. But they will take their time until everything is right. Wishful thinking for us as fans is a 3 year gap but I wouldn't be surprised at longer at this point. A heart v head situation.
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    Also I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a Craig-lite kind of continuity. Is there any franchise that makes complete standalone movies anymore?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Also I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a Craig-lite kind of continuity. Is there any franchise that makes complete standalone movies anymore?

    It's kind of true. Franchise, Sequels, and Reboots are the only things that make any money these days it seems.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Also I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a Craig-lite kind of continuity. Is there any franchise that makes complete standalone movies anymore?

    It's kind of true. Franchise, Sequels, and Reboots are the only things that make any money these days it seems.

    And you don't really have standalone sequels. Which is not a bad thing per se. But I think it indicates that there is a trend that will take a while to break.
  • Finally got to watch Those Who Wish Me Dead last night. It was a basic kinda action drama but potential Bond Nicolous Hoult handled the action well. One to keep a eye as mentioned here before.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    I have had something of a U-turn on an actor who I would never have really considered before.
    Hear me out on this and just imagine it before saying NO!!
    Not classically good looking but handsome enough- check.
    Not a unit like DC but has the build to play a different interpretation - a more traditional spy type, an infiltration figure who can move around in secret, an everyman. - check.
    Well dressed, looks good in a dinner jacket- check.
    Correct age, British, right sort of fame profile - check.
    And a really good actor to boot, could play different sides to Bond including the action- check.
    I give you Matt Smith.
    Definitely worth a screen test in my very humble opinion.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    No matter what anyone thinks of Craig personally, his run has been a box office smash with the general audiences world wide.... Arguably this has been the most consistent and loved Era since the 60s...

    I have to believe because of this the cattle call to audition for the new Bond may be the biggest that EoN has had to confront.

    Every agency with viable candidates will be sending film reels into EoN. I also have to believe agents and actors will pounce on Barbra Broccoli's words that James Bond could be a man of any race. This opening will give many young men an opportunity.

    If I was a gambling man, I would bet that EoN don't want the new guy to be compared to Craig, so I can see them going with an actor who was born in the UK, but with a more diverse ethnic background.

    After the risk they took in ending NTTD the way in which they did, I think they will consider more unique risks to stretch and grow their brand. A way of doing this would be to cast a man of color.

    Personally, I just hope they cast the best of the best.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Thanks for the insight @peter

    I hope they cast the best man for the role too, I hope they don't cast the "it" actor simply because he's bookies favourite or looks the part. Pick this generations Daniel and map out his era carefully

    I do hope they don't change Bond's ethnicity, just to meet social standards or the ever changing current climate. That was a big problem for me with the ending of NTTD. But I'm going to try and remain open minded on it
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    No matter what anyone thinks of Craig personally, his run has been a box office smash with the general audiences world wide.... Arguably this has been the most consistent and loved Era since the 60s...

    I have to believe because of this the cattle call to audition for the new Bond may be the biggest that EoN has had to confront.

    Every agency with viable candidates will be sending film reels into EoN. I also have to believe agents and actors will pounce on Barbra Broccoli's words that James Bond could be a man of any race. This opening will give many young men an opportunity.

    If I was a gambling man, I would bet that EoN don't want the new guy to be compared to Craig, so I can see them going with an actor who was born in the UK, but with a more diverse ethnic background.

    After the risk they took in ending NTTD the way in which they did, I think they will consider more unique risks to stretch and grow their brand. A way of doing this would be to cast a man of color.

    Personally, I just hope they cast the best of the best.

    I think it's certainly possible: I can definitely imagine they'd want a contrast to Craig, as you say. Which is why I think, even if he were younger and/or available they might not have gone for Tom Hardy as he seems very close in style to Craig to me.
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 12,590
    peter wrote: »
    I can see them going with an actor who was born in the UK, but with a more diverse ethnic background.

    After the risk they took in ending NTTD the way in which they did, I think they will consider more unique risks to stretch and grow their brand. A way of doing this would be to cast a man of color.

    Personally, I just hope they cast the best of the best.

    Yeah I’ve been thinking the same lately. Bond isn’t going to stay white forever, I think that’s inevitable. The world’s population is growing and growing while mixed race relationships are more common than ever, so eventually I think films will end up ignoring ethnicity altogether just for the sake of representation (apart from films that are actually about race, obviously). We’ve already seen the early sign of that with how diverse media as a whole is getting, but I think the best example might be that David Copperfield film with Dev Patel, because I think Bond is in the same bracket. When a character lasts this long, they transcend the author’s vision imo. Not that Fleming wasn’t brilliant. But since we’ve already seen Fleming’s Bond on screen, plenty of times, I think it’s natural to expect deviations (and we’ve already had plenty of those too obviously). And when a character becomes a cultural lightning rod like Bond has, a constant national hero who evolves with the times, then naturally people will want to see people of different backgrounds having a go.

    And I’m fine with that personally, for reasons I’ve made clear many times before, but anyway. If we take Bond’s race eventually changing as inevitable, then now seems like a very likely time for it to happen, because they’ve got a complete clean slate. There’d be no confusion, because the next guy is so definitively not the same character as Craig’s Bond. If they’re ever going to do it (and I think they inevitably will at some point) then a clean slate is what they’d want, so I reckon you could be right. It does seem very likely.
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 5,735
    If so, they will loose me as a fan.

    Not that they should care, or anyone else for that matter.

    Actually, since NTTD I've been feeling more and more like I did after the winter of 2002. I just hope someday a winter of 2006 will happen again. I'm glad some of you guys don't feel the same. Honestly, I'm glad for you. Keep it up. I'll probably be out of it, waiting for better days, with little hope.

    Part of me thinks they'll go back to the roots and to the books and make something canonical in what the original material is concerned. But nowadays that's viewed as being conservative and narrow minded. So whatever comes, it'll probably won't be for me, like Craig's era wasn't for the craignobond fellas. I've always respected their position, but not their way of showcasing their emotions and opinions, so I'll refrain myself from posting and from the forums. That is, if they further subvert and strip Bond from recognition. It was enough for me to see him as an apple-peeling dad, it was enough for me to see him die, it was enough for me to see him blonde for 15 years, despite my love and respect for Daniel Craig.

    So, that's that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Univex, you’re an insightful and thoughtful poster. There’s the tact of the Craignotbond folks and their off-spring— and then there are people like you: educated feedback and telling it as you see it. I don’t see anything disrespectful in anything you’ve written. You seem like a nice and considerate gentleman.
    Keep on posting. Disagree. Debate. Celebrate, or not. Just bring your bit to the table!

    @thelivingroyale … very well stated! I was chatting with a fellow Mi6’er this afternoon and we were saying how James Bond is a man of “today”…. Well if he represents today, and when you look around large cosmopolitans it is certainly a colourful display. And we see all these different colours strolling out of office towers, riding in morning rush hour, in hospitals and in the military……..
    My theory is if Bond represents the present, then this must be shown in future films. If the brand is to stretch and grow, and if Bond was cast with an actor of a more “exotic” heritage, that could be the invitation that piques the interest of a younger generation into this character and his history…

    @mtm … agree fully; whether a man of colour is cast or not, I think Tom Hardy (and actors like him), would be too similar to Craig and should be avoided if the new actor is to be given a shot to carve his era with the greatest chance of success.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @Univex you're a brilliant user on this mate, I rate your opinion massively. I understand where you're coming from but please don't stop posting, it's the well mannered few who disagree that ultimately further the conversation.
    I agree with your post wholeheartedly by the way, Casino was the breath of fresh air that reignited my passion for this series as well

    I personally think a black male M, would be a stronger path for the series at this point. Seeing M being represented by a black man would be a huge leap forwards for the series in my opinion, like it was to see Judi Dench as M in 1995. It's subtle change of the norm that the series has prided itself on for almost 60 years, rather than a drastic change that could cause long term damage to a measured well maintained property that is Bond.

    James Bond the character need not change, but the world around him should reflect the world we live in
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    @Univex you're a brilliant user on this mate, I rate your opinion massively. I understand where you're coming from but please don't stop posting, it's the well mannered few who disagree that ultimately further the conversation.
    I agree with your post wholeheartedly by the way, Casino was the breath of fresh air that reignited my passion for this series as well

    I personally think a black male M, would be a stronger path for the series at this point. Seeing M being represented by a black man would be a huge leap forwards for the series in my opinion, like it was to see Judi Dench as M in 1995. It's subtle change of the norm that the series has prided itself on for almost 60 years, rather than a drastic change that could cause long term damage to a measured well maintained property that is Bond.

    James Bond the character need not change, but the world around him should reflect the world we live in

    +1 for both of you.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The Lazenby Pit
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    Jordo007 wrote: »

    I personally think a black male M, would be a stronger path for the series at this point.

    just don t have him blackmailed. Imagine all the stupid puns that would follow.
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