Skyfall: 1 year later

edited October 2013 in Skyfall Posts: 690
Now that Skyfall has been out for 1 year, how have your opinions on it changed since your first viewing?
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  • Yes. It went from "Greatest Bond Movie Ever" to "Meh, somehow it's more overrated than Goldfinger". It has its faults and it has its triumphs, it's sitting in the middle of my ranking.
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 97
    I now rank it at 4th best Bond below From Russia with Love and Goldfinger. I realized it when the blockbuster euphoria died out, it was an attempt to fit all classical elements in one Bond movie to make up for Craig's reboot saga (CR and QoS)

    After watching it again, I noticed the glaring plot holes (Silva's London plot, ughhh).

    I'm still halfway through my first "Bondathon" so my rankings aren't set in stone.



  • Going to be quick this night, but I responded to a similar piece on a rival Bond forum yesterday (general opinion on Skyfall one year after theater release) and believe I said that opinion remains consistent from a little under twelve months ago. I went three times to see it, just to take everything in - I find that necessary with most movie releases - and all told, it was a title that couldn't find a place in my top five of James Bond adventures

    It's not even Craig's best - that accolade belongs to Casino Royale - but it's an improvement for sure on Quantum of Solace. It's a good Bond release - but nothing great. There was a lot of hyperbole at time of release, but after the three aforementioned viewings, and even now, I still insist it's an OK watch, but it simply can't compare to real legends material such as From Russia With Love, On Her Majestys Secret Service or The Spy Who Loved Me for example. Craig as always, makes it work, and rises above some tepid and shallow characters, that I found no more interesting this time around. It works on an action level, and Daniel Kleinman does his best work yet, and it also possesses a finale worth waiting for, even if it culminates in a disappointing ending

    Good Bond, but not great Bond. Seven and a half out of ten, but it's by no means a poor release
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Still #3 on my Bond Ranking.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    I still adore this film a year onwards, and hope to revisit it sooner rather than later. I hold it quite highly over most in the series and group it amongst the best beside the golden Connery films and Dan's previous two gems. While it delivers on the action and thrills, the reason I find it to be worthy of the praise is in its depth. It goes beyond a simple action film, and strips Bond down to his rawest form, as we have seen in the Craig era previously. By doing this, Skyfall delivers yet another dazzling character study on 007 to us. Bond has gone beyond just a simple escapist action hero, and has risen once again to take his place amongst the most compelling film characters of all time. With the arrival of the Craig era and efforts like Skyfall, depth has made a welcomed return to the franchise, something that was absent at times in its history.

    Skyfall delivers to us some of the greatest casts of talent both onscreen and off, the performances and visuals of the film alone things of legend. At this point in Dan's era we have come to know Bond more and more deeply (in some regards more vastly than ever before), and seeing him develop from a reckless agent to a crowning achievement of M's tutelage before our very eyes is powerful. Bond and M's relationship reaches its peak in this film, and ends with absolute power in one of the franchise's most moving moments. Through beautiful themes/motifs like that of dragons, bulldogs, and the antiquated against the age of the new, Skyfall presents itself masterfully in front of us as a piece of reflective art. There are issues, as with every film under the sun, but what works here really works. At the center of this film is a heart that has beaten steadily since 1962, through sleet and snow, success and failure. The journey of this franchise mirrors Bond's own struggles in the film to rise beyond the obstacles set against him, and claim his still existent relevancy in the espionage world.

    Inside Skyfall is not only my favorite scene in the franchise, but one of my favorite moments in cinematic history. While casual moviegoers only see Bond running to save M while she recites Tennyson, I see something more. As Bond runs towards M's location and Newman's powerful score blasts, I can't help but get emotional, because the scene not only exemplifies all that Bond is as a man, but all this franchise has become. Bond is a man tested by time and enemies both foreign and domestic, internal and external, yet he never gives in, no matter how battered and exhaustive he becomes. The same can be said for the franchise, which has endured just as 007 has, through the good and the bad. In just this one little scene, Mendes and co. have summed up a character and his franchise in the most meaningful way imaginable by the human brain. In the collective complexity, dedication and passion it pays to the character of Bond and the 22 films that came before it, Skyfall showcases that it is more than worthy of its shining commercial and critical success, as well as its title as a piece of high cinematic art.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    It is still one of my favorite Bond films for sure. It hasn't diminished for me It is a very well made, wonderful Bond film. In my top ten; I think in my top ten to stay.
  • JakeDelToroJakeDelToro Universal Exports
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    I saw it four times in the cinema where it went from being a fairly decent Bond film to being my favourite Bond film and then back to being just ok.

    Now it ranks at number 8 on my list of Bond films. When it's good it's great and when it's not so good it is still ok. It doesn't plumb the depths of Diamonds are Forever nor does it scale the heights of Casino Royale. It's a middling Bond film, but damn good fun.
  • I don't think it's quite as good as I did when I first saw it (mainly because I noticed how stupid Silva's plan was) but it's still a fantastic film. It was everything I wanted it to be and more.

    Definitely my favourite Craig film and top 10 for sure. I'm not going to type out a new review but I've edited my old one to reflect how I feel now

    http://mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/4494/skyfall-2012#Item_15
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe S.A.R.A.H.Moderator
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    SF has dropped considerably down my ranking. It might be a much loved Bond here, but for me, it isn't what I want from Bond.
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    CR is for me still the best of Craigs 007 outings followed by SF and then after some lightyears QoB.

    SF did kick me out of my suspension of disbelieve when I saw it first and that has not improved since I saw it last on dvd. The movie has it moments but suffers for me in the poor plotting.
  • I think most people wanted it be as good as the hype and reviews I know I did. sadly I saw then what most people see now. an ok entry and nothing more.
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    craigrules wrote:
    I think most people wanted it be as good as the hype and reviews I know I did. sadly I saw then what most people see now. an ok entry and nothing more.

    Do you care to qualify that? If anything, I'd say the complete opposite is true, going by rankings on this site.
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 151
    If anything i love it even more now...when i first watched it i was trying to come to terms with everything that happened within the movie.. it just felt like a really unusual Bond movie after a few viewings on dvd it ranks very highly it gets better each time!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    My opinion hasn't changed since I saw it last year. It's still my favorite, finally having usurped Casino Royale, which had been my favorite for six years (I'm 23, having a favorite Bond for six years is pretty damn big). I can't wait until Bond 24 comes out, so that I can see whether or not Skyfall is trumped.
  • (I'm 23, having a favorite Bond for six years is pretty damn big)

    Bah! When I was your age LTK had been my favourite for 11 years :P
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 3,494
    @OBrady- your views were beautifully stated and highly appreciated. Well done.

    At the time of it's release, I thought this was a very important film as far as the history of the series. A 4 year gap had ensued since the somewhat disappointing Quantum Of Solace, which despite the box office was taken to task by the critics and media, thus affecting more potential viewers and somewhat damaging all the goodwill the Craig era had engendered after a genuine Fleming and series classic in Casino Royale. There was somewhat of a bad taste for many that had lingered for too long. And of course, there was the golden anniversary to consider. The newly resurrected studio, in desperate need of some successful films to get them back on the financial feet, had high expectations as well. And as for the hardcore fans and general public, not only did they appear to want to see the bad taste washed away, they also wanted to now see the classic Bond return with a sense of normalcy. The professional who did not kill without reason and did his job without personal motivations. The man who had a sense of wry humor, who enjoyed the company of a beautiful woman, an ice cold martini, exotic travel and all the usual amenities, etc. And his usual colleagues like Q and Moneypenny.

    Looking back one year later, for me Skyfall generally succeeded in most of these areas. Does it have it's flaws? Of course. Bond's survival of the fall during the PTS is iffy, but we've seen much worse and fans excuse it so why not? It doesn't have a terribly original storyline and the London scenes are poorly written up until the time we hear Dench reciting Tennyson while Bond races to save the day. Otherwise, it has so many great things going for it that it's fairly far fetched and mostly illogical to dismiss and criticize the film out of hand as anything less than one of the better films in series history. It starts with the phenomenal performances of the two leading actors here, Craig and Dench. A classic and manic type of villain who hasn't been seen in quite some time, played by an Academy Award winner no less who deserved another nomination for this performance as well. A stunningly beautiful and memorable Bond girl, unfortunately a sacrificial lamb, but one who outshined more than a few leading ladies in her few minutes on screen. The depth of detail in the characterizations for nearly every character here is compelling and makes you pay attention as a viewer, which is one of the hallmarks of a film's overall greatness and one's that should have earned it a Academy best film nomination as should have for Casino Royale. Skyfall's flaws don't and should not overshadow all of these things in a logical examination and overview. The best cinematography in the history of the entire series is seen here, and certainly no small feat as lushly filmed as Bond movies almost always are. A classic Academy Award winning title song, one that comes with both well thought out and yet haunting imagery to go with it that sets the stage. And finally, when so many films of this length can drag in parts, this film doesn't. It grabs you like Krazy Glue from the opening and never lets up until the very end, which reminds everyone what they wanted to see all along in this era- Daniel Craig playing a normal Bond, and he does so triumphantly and proudly throughout most of the film and most especially in the end.

    Looking back, I can safely say for myself that the film has aged gracefully like a fine wine should. And it makes me eager for BOND24 in much better ways than it's predecessor. It's not a top 5 film, but in many ways I feel it is still a top 10 film and it will stand the test of time and become a personal favorite of those now and of future generations to come.







  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    To me, this is still a very strong entry and will remain so for many I reckon. Future generations will be the ultimate judge of many of the Bond films made today and before their time. Let's see what they make of it 15 years down the road but for now, this film works and presents its themes and ideas in a very entertaining way.
  • It has always been a top 10, even top 5 Bond film for me, and there it remains. I don't imagine I'll ever lose my love for this film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Well, I guess I'm in a minority of one here in that I still like QOS better than SF (and CR, for that matter), although I've warmed to it since my initial dislike.
    I got no real sense of betrayal from Bond, as if he'd taken the hit, survived the fall, and saw this his opportunity to take an unexpected holiday (Ferris Bond's Day Off)...
    But wait, he sees on TV that he's NEEDED again! Okay, back to it then! Bye what's your name, nice shaggin' ya!
    And Silva with the hitherto flawless plans who didn't bring enough men or firepower for home-alone Bond? That's just silly.

    Yes, there is a lot to like about SF, but it's really not top shelf Bond IMO. It's a middling Bond for me, but I like it more now then at the beginning of the year...
  • chrisisall wrote:
    I got no real sense of betrayal from Bond

    You can see all of the anger and bitterness in Bond in the brilliant scene in M's apartment.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote:
    I got no real sense of betrayal from Bond
    You can see all of the anger and bitterness in Bond in the brilliant scene in M's apartment.
    I'm sorry, I meant at the beach he was living on with the girl & the scorpion.
    I just see a lot of lazy writing in SF.
    Maybe that's why I like QOS so much, there was an organic sense to it; there wasn't time to sit around and wonder what cool thing they could work in- it just pounded out the tale.

  • chrisisall wrote:
    I got no real sense of betrayal from Bond

    You can see all of the anger and bitterness in Bond in the brilliant scene in M's apartment.

    Indeed. Both powerful and yet humorous at the same time. Brilliantly and realistically acted. A true capsule of their relationship at that moment.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Indeed. Both powerful and yet humorous at the same time. Brilliantly and realistically acted. A true capsule of their relationship at that moment.
    The actors were amazing. The scene was excellent. SF had many such great moments; M asking about the ejector seat was my favourite.
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    It's got it's faults but there's A LOT more good than bad. I'll never forget the buzzing feeling I had when I left the cinema after the first time I watched it.
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    It's interesting how things change. A year ago we were all raving about it, now it seems to have more of a mixed reception.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I wouldn't say mixed. It's still liked a lot by many people but there will always be those that don't enjoy the film feeling as if they're making a bigger impact on the overall impression than they are, due to there being less of them.
  • It's still popular in general but I do think on this site it's gotten more mixed over the last year. When it came out most of the site had it in their top 5 at least and there were tons of "best Bond ever" comments. I remember it winning a poll for best Craig film when it was released but now more people seem to think CR was better.

    That seems to happen a lot actually. Things that are popular normally (Brosnan, TSWLM, GF) get a mixed reaction on this site.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It's on a level playing field with Casino Royale. Both films have their supports as well as those who don't like them very much.

    I don't think you will find as many Bond best ever comments are you think there were and if you did a new poll the reception would still be very positive. As it said, evenly matched with Casino Royale.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    In short, the film is much, much better than my initial thought of it the first time I saw it. The entirety of it has a great cast and crew with some incredibly beautiful locales, but with plot holes/irritations and lackluster action sequences, it's my third favorite Craig film.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Well, I guess I'm in a minority of one here in that I still like QOS better than SF (and CR, for that matter), although I've warmed to it since my initial dislike.
    I got no real sense of betrayal from Bond, as if he'd taken the hit, survived the fall, and saw this his opportunity to take an unexpected holiday (Ferris Bond's Day Off)...
    But wait, he sees on TV that he's NEEDED again! Okay, back to it then! Bye what's your name, nice shaggin' ya!
    And Silva with the hitherto flawless plans who didn't bring enough men or firepower for home-alone Bond? That's just silly.

    Yes, there is a lot to like about SF, but it's really not top shelf Bond IMO. It's a middling Bond for me, but I like it more now then at the beginning of the year...

    If you can't handle farfetched plots, it's hard to imagine you being a Bond fan, or even a fan of Fleming for the matter of it. But plot likelihood aside, SF mops the floor with QOS, and I'm not even a QOS-hater.

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