Pervis & Wade are gone: The Boat too ? What wil be John Logan trademark

M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
edited July 2013 in Bond 25 & Beyond Posts: 2,410
If there is one thing that always like to return in a P&W movie (Also in there written Johnny English and uncredit movies Saraha and The Italian Job) and in every Bond movie then it is a Boat.

The quistion be now: Are the Boat are gone too now Pervis and Wade are gone and what trademark John Logan have in his movies

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  • DragonpolDragonpol Twitter: @Dragonpol, Writer @ The Bondologist Blog: http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot.co.uk
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    Can't say I've ever noticed the boat motif, but then I'm not overly familiar with the newer films yet.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    Well I never connected a boat with only their writing. Bond is often on some kind of a boat, in any Bond film. Commander Bond, after all. And rescue craft, and rafts, and well every kind of boat. Let's see, which Bond film did not have any kind of boat in it? I don't know off hand. MR had the bondola even. And DAF had the hovercraft in Amsterdam.

    Okay, with John Logan, a wild guess: maybe there will also be a mention, or a glimpse, of a rat. Standing or not. ;)
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    It's stretching it a bit far to suggest that the use of boats in the W&P's scripts were an in joke. I'm not aware of any boats in DAD unless you count the Navy Frigate that Bond escapes from early on! You might as well have said all three Lewis Gilbert films featured cars!

    An in joke would be far more in line with the startled birds that appeared in all five John Glen films. His admittance that this was influenced by Hitchcock's "blink and you'll miss it" cameos in his films.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2013 Posts: 2,410
    When Jinx make a dive to escape on Cuba (In Spain!).

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8105638920_0ca85d8fa8_z.jpg

    This kind of boat you can also see in Twine: http://motorboatsmonthly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/9091/0000039ef/8a5e_orh100000w470/Sunseeker-TWINE-2.jpg

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/Casino-Royale-1366.htm
    This kind of boat you can also see in Twine.

    Inside you see in Casino Royale and again in Skyfall.
    Okay, with John Logan, a wild guess: maybe there will also be a mention, or a glimpse, of a rat. Standing or not. ;)

    When i saw The Departed previous thusday i must think about Skyfall.With second view of Skyfall, i understand better what there mean. Of course there also will be kind of Rat in Bond 24 with Daniel Craig :D
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited July 2013 Posts: 9,827
    And Bond is on a hovercraft fighting in the PTS in DAD.

    I'm mildly curious now. Is there any kind of boat in AVTAK?
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    And DAF had the hovercraft in Amsterdam.

    Must have missed that.

    O:-)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    In the beginning dear Saint, there is a chase on the water there. :)

    AVTAK anyone? I cannot remember any.
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    Sorry the boat thing is tenuous at best.

    P&W's scripts will always be remembered for making the mission personal to Bond.

    TWINE - Bond falls for Elektra only to discover she's the villain
    DAD - Bond is tortured and when released wants to find the person who betrayed him
    CR - Bond's first mission and he falls in love with Vesper
    QOS - Bond is angry and wants revenge/closure
    SF - Bond is mortally wounded and has get his mojo back

    IF anything the latter 3 Craig films give Bond a much more interesting psychology, but I think that aspect of the films have less to do P&W and more to do with Paul Haggis and John Logan. P&W are always credited with coming up with the story beats with the more prestige writers doing the heavy lifting.
  • RC7RC7
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    I'm mildly curious now. Is there any kind of boat in AVTAK?

    The wedding boat on the Seine, plus the speedboat Mayday escapes in thanks to Zorin.

    Iceberg Submarine - not technically a boat.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited July 2013 Posts: 9,827
    There we are then. I think Bond has a boat or is on a boat or a not too minor character is on a boat in every Bond film.

    Back to it being personal for Bond, they reared up again nicely in GE.
    "For England, James?" "No, for me." And onward ...
  • QBranchQBranch The head Quartermaster's HQ
    edited July 2013 Posts: 5,526
    M_Balje wrote:
    When Jinx make a dive to escape on Cuba (In Spain!).

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8105638920_0ca85d8fa8_z.jpg

    This kind of boat you can also see in Twine: http://motorboatsmonthly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/9091/0000039ef/8a5e_orh100000w470/Sunseeker-TWINE-2.jpg

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/Casino-Royale-1366.htm
    This kind of boat you can also see in Twine.

    Inside you see in Casino Royale and again in Skyfall.
    Interesting find, @MBalje! Especially Cigar Girl's boat being the exact same as the one Jinx uses to escape.
    M_Balje wrote:
    Okay, with John Logan, a wild guess: maybe there will also be a mention, or a glimpse, of a rat. Standing or not. ;)
    When i saw The Departed previous thusday i must think about Skyfall.With second view of Skyfall, i understand better what there mean. Of course there also will be kind of Rat in Bond 24 with Daniel Craig :D
    We can only hope!

    rat.gif
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    latter 3 Craig films give Bond a much more interesting psychology.

    **Sign**. I beg to differ. I think JL's trademark will be the complete transformation of Bond into a comic book hero, far remote from Fleming.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 23 Posts: 2,410
    Whyle since Casino Royake P&W at historie (History) in to the movies. (and some people get it with Qos and others mabey with Spectre.)

    A whyle a go i discover the links that be made with countries started with Skyfall (The neighbours), but also in Spectre (the believers). I am curious or the links that i made, are done by john logan.

    In Spectre there be two rats, four mouses (Include Bond and M), three cats and scary wolf. What is left is a rat (cat), two mouses (Bond and M) and snake (Madeline).

    In SF we get Hans en Grietje (Breadcrumb/searhlight), around Spectre i read something around Vrouw holle thing. But i can't remember what be writte. The only thing i remember from frauw holle story is ''another world thing'' ( Death/Hell what be predict in Skyfall maintitle) and will return with a difrent result.

    My expections for next two: rattenvanger van hamelen (Rat-Catcher of Hamelin) and repelsteelje (Rumpelstiltskin/You Know MY Name!). I think this match with thirth person view in QOS and You Know my name with CR and visual coldblood lyric of You Know My Name in SF. Big quistion is who will be second Rat-Catcher. Back to earth.

    People like it to believe in ferytales. Trademark of John Logan: Using ferytales to tell a bigger story. If John Logan have worked on QOS it possible have been the girl with red cape (Roodkapje). Found somebody eles in grantmothers bed is it Felix.
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    What a trip.
  • Sometimes when I'm bored, I like to lick frogs and read M_Balje threads.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Twitter: @Dragonpol, Writer @ The Bondologist Blog: http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot.co.uk
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    When the boat comes in...
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    Sometimes when I'm bored, I like to lick frogs and read M_Balje threads.


  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I think Logan has left a big enough mark. Really don't care to remember any more than that.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Twitter: @Dragonpol, Writer @ The Bondologist Blog: http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot.co.uk
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    Balje licks a toad just before he starts to post (for inspiration). :D
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    Logan: great dialogues, great characters, iffy plots.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Logan: great dialogues, great characters, iffy plots.

    Agreed.

    It might be why I think SF is the better movie. P&W (and Peter Morgan?) supplied a good basis for SF, while the work flow didn't work well when reversed for SP.
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    I know Logan has done some great work but I just watched a film that he scripted that had to be one of the most tedious, uninvolving films that I've ever seen It was Genius, with Colin Firth and Jude Law. It was a chore to get through and never did I care about the characters.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1703957/
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    Logan does go heavy on Oedipian stuff as well. Not that it cannot work with Bond mind you but it is heavy.
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