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bond 23, the return of blofeld

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  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
    Posts: 1,894
    Okay, crazy idea: instead of casting Ralph Fiennes as Blofeld, how about casting Javier Bardem in the role?

    The thing about the original Blofeld is that he was very much a product of World War II. That couldn't reasonably be used short of making him about ninety years old, so the character would have to be re-written - and why not include a minor name change in the process?

    Ernst Stavro Blofeld was a Greek Pole, so casting a Spanish actor in the role might be tricky. But, if we're updating the character, his name and background could be adjusted. Instead of Javier Bardem as Ernst Stavro Blofeld, how about Javier Bardem as Ernesto Santos Blofeld, or Ernesto Santos y Blofeld?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Okay, crazy idea: instead of casting Ralph Fiennes as Blofeld, how about casting Javier Bardem in the role?

    The thing about the original Blofeld is that he was very much a product of World War II. That couldn't reasonably be used short of making him about ninety years old, so the character would have to be re-written - and why not include a minor name change in the process?

    Ernst Stavro Blofeld was a Greek Pole, so casting a Spanish actor in the role might be tricky. But, if we're updating the character, his name and background could be adjusted. Instead of Javier Bardem as Ernst Stavro Blofeld, how about Javier Bardem as Ernesto Santos Blofeld, or Ernesto Santos y Blofeld?
    robert de nero, leanardo blofeld???
  • jaguar007jaguar007
    Posts: 638
    @shadowonthesun

    You wouldn't even go for a blofeld - esque meeting scene of some sort. Maybe white with a mysterious figure, i.e. the head of quantum.

    The shot being:

    The camera sits behind crossed legs, with shiny red heels. Its obvious the character is sitting in a chair behind a desk.
    ...and the chair spins around revealing to be Charles Gray's Blofeld in drag
    :-))
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    ^ the whole MI6 communtiy leaves cinema grumpily to complain to them selves....
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited October 2011 Posts: 3,494

    ...and the chair spins around revealing to be Charles Gray's Blofeld in drag
    :-))
    Considering Gray has been a pile of ashes for about 12 years now, that's going to be quite the feat. :O

    Blofeld= Just say NO
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, he is the primary, number 1, main man Bond villain arch-nemesis, and is one of the best in the series. However, with Quantum being introduced as the new SPECTRE, I don't think it would be wise to have Blofeld behind the Quantum desk. After all, that would be the source of too many continuity errors, like Bond meeting Blofeld for the first time in YOLT, or OHMSS, since that's a continuity error itself. Also, it might be a little anti-climactic if we're just sitting in theaters thinking, "Oh hey Blofeld! Are you running Quantum too?" I'd probably rather see a new leader than recycling Blofeld.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Been over this before, Ernst Stavro belongs in the Connery and Lazenby era, it just doesn't fit in with current times to reintroduce a character that has been defunct for decades on end in to the current climate, No to Blofeld, Black Blofelds, White Blofelds or multi colored Blofelds, at the end of the day this character is part of Bond history, we don't need a re-introduction, he's supposed to be officialy dead anyway, New Bond, New Times, as we saw with Goldeneye, leave the past where it should be
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    Who needs Blofeld? We got Mr. White now.
  • GlennGlenn
    Posts: 12
    What Bond needs is a true master villain, after the major disappointment that was Quantum Of Solace producers need Skyfall to be a major success both critically and at the box office. Casino Royale set the scene with a re boot of Bond, so why not give his most famous foe a re boot as well? A Bond/Blofeld trilogy set in modern times would link nicely with the fact that Blofeld only appears in 3 novels anyway, what Bond needs is competition, what MI6 need is their man saving the world from a 3rd party trying to destroy it and that was SPECTRE. If producers fail to deliver here then i fear the series could crumble quickly and Craig & co will be looking elsewhere for work. Blofeld doesn't have to be European, he could be English in a re boot? He was named after an English friend of Fleming anyway. Blofeld is Moriarty to Bonds Holmes, a mastermind intent on economic terrorism not physical conquest. Blofeld doesn't want to conquer the world, he merely wishes to run it! The world runs on money and money is power. With a character like Blofeld the creative ideas are endless. Forget the Donald Pleasance portrayal and image, keep the name and keep the purpose, all you have to do is re create his existence. After all Daniel Craig is not Sean Connery either.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    No thanks! We don't need Blofeld, or SPECTRE, anymore. Now we have Quantum and we should keep them, although I don't want Mr. White to be the head of it.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,350
    Why was this bumped, oh right... X(

    I'll put in a vote for this being locked. Afterall, DD's debate thread is already talking about this topic at the moment.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,506
    This Blofeld thing as much as i love the charactor? Is getting a little repetitive now don't you think? :-\"
  • LibrarianLibrarian
    Posts: 301
    Please: No Blofeld! He was integral part during Bond films in 60s & 70s.
    Now we have QUANTUM and don't need SPECTRE ;) Mr White with his people and superiors will do much trouble in 007's life during next 1-2 films (after Skyfall) so Blofeld is absolutely expendable.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    I would be ok with blofeld returning if it was the sinister shadowy figure from FRWL and TB.
  • GlennGlenn
    Posts: 12
    Quantam were really frightening? Threatening to take over the Bolivian water supply! Give me a break, this is no job for 007! Bond who has foiled Goldfinger, foiled Dr No, foiled threats of nuclear missiles destroying London and what do producers have him doing in film re-boot number two? He travels to Bolivia to defeat some two bit crook who wants to control 60% of Bolivia's water supply!! Producers botched the 2nd Craig movie without a decent villain and a decent sinister organisation. Quantam is a dud, the beauty of Spectre and Blofeld is they don't care about world powers and politics, they are extortionists and terrorists for their own gain. Blofeld thinks big and is perfect for a return because Bond really needs him. Surely the main aim in Skyfall is to give Bond a decent villain and some real world wide danger so Bond can save the day.
    They re-booted the Bond character for the modern era, but forgot to give him a decent foe. I don't think they really know what to with Bond, the source material is staring them in the face with the Fleming books, all it takes is some imaginative re working and updating for 21st century.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Glenn wrote:
    Quantam were really frightening? Threatening to take over the Bolivian water supply! Give me a break, this is no job for 007! Bond who has foiled Goldfinger, foiled Dr No, foiled threats of nuclear missiles destroying London and what do producers have him doing in film re-boot number two? He travels to Bolivia to defeat some two bit crook who wants to control 60% of Bolivia's water supply!! Producers botched the 2nd Craig movie without a decent villain and a decent sinister organisation. Quantam is a dud, the beauty of Spectre and Blofeld is they don't care about world powers and politics, they are extortionists and terrorists for their own gain. Blofeld thinks big and is perfect for a return because Bond really needs him. Surely the main aim in Skyfall is to give Bond a decent villain and some real world wide danger so Bond can save the day.
    They re-booted the Bond character for the modern era, but forgot to give him a decent foe. I don't think they really know what to with Bond, the source material is staring them in the face with the Fleming books, all it takes is some imaginative re working and updating for 21st century.

    The Bolivain plot was dire indeed, and many thousands could die from the act Greene and Madrano plot. I thought the plan was contemporary, and not some stupid "take over the world" or rehashed "let's start nuclear war" that SPECTRE and Blofeld would think of. The plan in QoS was believable and much more plausible than SPECTRE's endeavors. It makes QoS more realistic, which I guess some don't like in Bond films. Then go watch LALD through to AVTAK then, I say. But Dan's Bond isn't going to have all the outlandish plots of the 60s. Obviously. His tenure is about bringing Bond through a realistic scope, capturing real life threats(terrorism in CR), and then overtaking governments(Greene/Madrano's plot) and the complications of knowing if you are on the right side(Felix wondering if the CIA is on the right side, and Bond being distrusted after the Vesper incident). I love QoS for those reasons. It is easy to connect to, and shows the times we live in well. The villains are believable because they aren't villains in real life. They appear normal to us, while in the confines of their own minds, they have evil plots. It reminds me of politicians who look nice, calm, and caring for the people they represent, but turn on their "beliefs" behind closed doors. Greene does this, appearing to be a preserver of the planet, but actually he is quite evil. It works for Craig's Bond to have these types of real world villains. I love it and hope it continues. Leave the "I want to take over the world" villains in the 60s where they belong. I'm talking to you Blofeld.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,506
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Glenn wrote:
    Quantam were really frightening? Threatening to take over the Bolivian water supply! Give me a break, this is no job for 007! Bond who has foiled Goldfinger, foiled Dr No, foiled threats of nuclear missiles destroying London and what do producers have him doing in film re-boot number two? He travels to Bolivia to defeat some two bit crook who wants to control 60% of Bolivia's water supply!! Producers botched the 2nd Craig movie without a decent villain and a decent sinister organisation. Quantam is a dud, the beauty of Spectre and Blofeld is they don't care about world powers and politics, they are extortionists and terrorists for their own gain. Blofeld thinks big and is perfect for a return because Bond really needs him. Surely the main aim in Skyfall is to give Bond a decent villain and some real world wide danger so Bond can save the day.
    They re-booted the Bond character for the modern era, but forgot to give him a decent foe. I don't think they really know what to with Bond, the source material is staring them in the face with the Fleming books, all it takes is some imaginative re working and updating for 21st century.

    The Bolivain plot was dire indeed, and many thousands could die from the act Greene and Madrano plot. I thought the plan was contemporary, and not some stupid "take over the world" or rehashed "let's start nuclear war" that SPECTRE and Blofeld would think of. The plan in QoS was believable and much more plausible than SPECTRE's endeavors. It makes QoS more realistic, which I guess some don't like in Bond films. Then go watch LALD through to AVTAK then, I say. But Dan's Bond isn't going to have all the outlandish plots of the 60s. Obviously. His tenure is about bringing Bond through a realistic scope, capturing real life threats(terrorism in CR), and then overtaking governments(Greene/Madrano's plot) and the complications of knowing if you are on the right side(Felix wondering if the CIA is on the right side, and Bond being distrusted after the Vesper incident). I love QoS for those reasons. It is easy to connect to, and shows the times we live in well. The villains are believable because they aren't villains in real life. They appear normal to us, while in the confines of their own minds, they have evil plots. It reminds me of politicians who look nice, calm, and caring for the people they represent, but turn on their "beliefs" behind closed doors. Greene does this, appearing to be a preserver of the planet, but actually he is quite evil. It works for Craig's Bond to have these types of real world villains. I love it and hope it continues. Leave the "I want to take over the world" villains in the 60s where they belong. I'm talking to you Blofeld.

    I am with you on this OBrady. It needs to be modern day and relevant. This Quantum bashing is getting ridiculous. Give it a chance to be developed? Yeah Greene was weak as a villain but it followed on from CR and was Bonds only lead!

    He didn't go to Bolivia for the water situation? He went there for answera on Vespers handlers for avenging her betrayal and death. That was the plot! Water was a secondary unknown thing at the time.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    RogueAgent wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Glenn wrote:
    Quantam were really frightening? Threatening to take over the Bolivian water supply! Give me a break, this is no job for 007! Bond who has foiled Goldfinger, foiled Dr No, foiled threats of nuclear missiles destroying London and what do producers have him doing in film re-boot number two? He travels to Bolivia to defeat some two bit crook who wants to control 60% of Bolivia's water supply!! Producers botched the 2nd Craig movie without a decent villain and a decent sinister organisation. Quantam is a dud, the beauty of Spectre and Blofeld is they don't care about world powers and politics, they are extortionists and terrorists for their own gain. Blofeld thinks big and is perfect for a return because Bond really needs him. Surely the main aim in Skyfall is to give Bond a decent villain and some real world wide danger so Bond can save the day.
    They re-booted the Bond character for the modern era, but forgot to give him a decent foe. I don't think they really know what to with Bond, the source material is staring them in the face with the Fleming books, all it takes is some imaginative re working and updating for 21st century.

    The Bolivain plot was dire indeed, and many thousands could die from the act Greene and Madrano plot. I thought the plan was contemporary, and not some stupid "take over the world" or rehashed "let's start nuclear war" that SPECTRE and Blofeld would think of. The plan in QoS was believable and much more plausible than SPECTRE's endeavors. It makes QoS more realistic, which I guess some don't like in Bond films. Then go watch LALD through to AVTAK then, I say. But Dan's Bond isn't going to have all the outlandish plots of the 60s. Obviously. His tenure is about bringing Bond through a realistic scope, capturing real life threats(terrorism in CR), and then overtaking governments(Greene/Madrano's plot) and the complications of knowing if you are on the right side(Felix wondering if the CIA is on the right side, and Bond being distrusted after the Vesper incident). I love QoS for those reasons. It is easy to connect to, and shows the times we live in well. The villains are believable because they aren't villains in real life. They appear normal to us, while in the confines of their own minds, they have evil plots. It reminds me of politicians who look nice, calm, and caring for the people they represent, but turn on their "beliefs" behind closed doors. Greene does this, appearing to be a preserver of the planet, but actually he is quite evil. It works for Craig's Bond to have these types of real world villains. I love it and hope it continues. Leave the "I want to take over the world" villains in the 60s where they belong. I'm talking to you Blofeld.

    I am with you on this OBrady. It needs to be modern day and relevant. This Quantum bashing is getting ridiculous. Give it a chance to be developed? Yeah Greene was weak as a villain but it followed on from CR and was Bonds only lead!

    He didn't go to Bolivia for the water situation? He went there for answera on Vespers handlers for avenging her betrayal and death. That was the plot! Water was a secondary unknown thing at the time.

    Bond's mind was on the Quantum mission, with thoughts of Vesper rushing in at intervals. But Bond simply stumbled upon the sink hole(dropped in more like) and had an "a-ha" moment as to what Greene's plot was. My issue with it is that CR shouldn't have been so gung ho to carry on the torch to QoS to be its sequel. Bond films work better as lone films. No loose ends to putter up. Bond gets the mission, kills the baddie, gets girl. Water, rinse, repeat. But CR as a novel was still kind of egging on a sequel. Bond vows to take out SMERSH, and we see him go after SMERSH operatives across the Fleming novels. So, CR(the film) kind of kept that kind of ideology in mind. It is a great film, my favorite, but it was too eager to get a sequel, where the second part could've come later on instead of having QoS start directly afterwards. The mere three minute difference between CR's ending and QoS's start throws the timeline of QoS off majorly. Like, how did Mathis get sweated so quickly by MI6, having gone through the legal proceedings? And how did they set the villa up so fast for him as payment for the hassle of persecuting an innocent man?? And how on Fleming's green Earth did Bond change his hair style in exactly three minutes in between CR and QoS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    Craig has stated he had to finish the script with forster due to the writers strike on QoS, there in lies the problem. seeing past its obvious failings i think the film is shot incredibly well despite some over editing on action scenes. think its some of arnolds best work too with regards to the soundtrack.
  • jbondcollectorjbondcollector
    Posts: 74
    What if the rumours of Judie Dench leaving after this film are untrue. Could Blofeld be an ex Mi6 agent? and not replacing M.

    Also im sure that this film is a standalone and not related to Quantum. Remember it being mentioned in the first press conference.

  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    My guess is that the trust was because M let Blofeld got way in the '80s in her last active mission. 30 years later Mr. Blofeld is trying to out do this secret terrorist group (Quantum, Which we don't see)......
  • licensetoforumlicensetoforum
    Posts: 371
    I would like to see Blofeld come back if it had something to do with Bond getting revenge. I thought DAF missed out on a golden opportunity for Bond, albeit a different one, to atleast mention Tracey, and revenge.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    THERE IS NO BLOFELD. Get the tears out now.


    Sheesh. Worse than the Moneypenney fan club.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    THERE IS NO BLOFELD. Get the tears out now.

    someday he will return...
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    If he does return I reckon he should get his own delicatessen built out of stainless steel!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    No Blofeld return is all fine and dandy this end, good to see that some common sense has prevailed if it's actually true and no reason to doubt it really. Mr Blofeld simply has no place in 21st Century Bond adventures, it's an outdated and archaic character of the Connery and Lazenby years, I couldn't take it seriously from a Craig Bond perspective, good to see this omission and somebody made a wise choice
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    Posts: 401
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Who needs Blofeld? We got Mr. White now.

    Yeah, Mr. White is such an interesting and unique character; we don't need anybody else.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    THERE IS NO BLOFELD. Get the tears out now.


    Sheesh. Worse than the Moneypenney fan club.

    Yeah, having characters from Fleming novels is stupid!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,350
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    THERE IS NO BLOFELD. Get the tears out now.
    Sheesh. Worse than the Moneypenney fan club.
    Yeah, having characters from Fleming novels is stupid!

    I think the issue there is having Harris as Moneypenny. That's what some people want. The character will come back in due course.
  • tommychameleontommychameleon
    Posts: 132
    Personally, I'd LOVE to see Blofeld return. I don't get why so many people say he's a product of the 60's and should stay there, after all, many people said that about Bond himself. Forget the Dr. Evil style Blofeld, with his board room, electrified chairs and shark tanks...of course that stuff is dated and more Austin Powers than Bond these days. You absolutely COULD bring back Blofeld as an updated relevant character for 2012. Ditch the white pussy cat and make him a nasty, manipulative, money man, who stays in the shadows and pays his henchfolk to realise his agenda...That's not too far off of what's happening today, with all the economic upset and unrest in the Middle East.

    2012 is RIPE for some Blofeld pickings!
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Who needs Blofeld? We got Mr. White now.

    Yeah, Mr. White is such an interesting and unique character; we don't need anybody else.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    THERE IS NO BLOFELD. Get the tears out now.


    Sheesh. Worse than the Moneypenney fan club.

    Yeah, having characters from Fleming novels is stupid!

    Oh, and sarcasm isn't. Blofeld is NOT vital to the success of Bond. In fact, its been done in such a messy manner I almost applaud Eon for not even considering it. They wont bring it back, especially sense, you know, THEY REBOOTED THE WHOLE FRANCHISE. Bond doesn't need Blofeld, Blofeld needs Bond.

    It would only show they've run out of ideas to bring him back.
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