No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,834
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D

  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,532
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D


    My favorite video on YouTube.
  • Here's another thing that I'm wondering about.

    How can they overhaul the script when they were already casting?

    Surely those characters have to stay the same, otherwise whoever is already cast would have to play a different character than what they were hired for?

    I mean they are actors, of course, but they went through a casting process precisely because the filmmakers had characters set in mind.

    Kinda confusing.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,586
    Remington wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D


    My favorite video on YouTube.
    Mine too.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 12,914
    Nice, @Denbigh.

    I'll add I'm surprised by the reactions of longtime Bond fans for the wide range of familiar content they accept from the past versus the strictures applied to recent and future missions. To me it's beyond simple likes and dislikes, that sensitivity.

    Doesn't dampen my looking forward to BOND 25 a bit. Unfortunate, though.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D


    Wow!!! Amazing video!!! Just goes to show that Bond always survives, both on and off screen.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    I'm optimistic with the coming of Scott Z. Burns. And I sure as hell hope they don't use any leftovers from the Boyle & Hodge effort.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thanks, @ClarkDevlin. That's rather where I'm at.
  • This is all too funny! Remember when folks used to bash the Brosnan films? Well at least we got a Bond film every other year, and I’ll take the GE-TND-TWINE run any day over the QOS-SF-SP run. What I wouldn’t give to have another TND as opposed to what they’re trying to cook up with this new one? Writes, delays, rewrites, delays, re-rewrites, firings, quittings, delays, etc. Just give us an old-school TND Bond adventure and stop bending over backwards trying to give us something new which you clearly have no clue about. This is Bond, not Shakespeare. It shouldn’t be this difficult!! Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end. Get with it!!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,459
    I am a fan of Pierce's Bond, but I'm a huge Craig fan, too.

    Seems like you may have like my earlier choice for giving Bond 25 the title "Fiasco!"
    That would go along with what a few members here are saying. ;)
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    @ringfire211 I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2019 Posts: 15,423
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the malware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 3,000
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the maleware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.

    Yes we definitely dodged a bullet with Boyle. I’m fairly certain we would be looking at worst film in the series territory if he had gotten his way. Bond dying would have been absolutely ridiculous. And I am optimistic about Burns. I expect B25 will be a good movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2019 Posts: 15,423
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the malware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.

    Yes we definitely dodged a bullet with Boyle. I’m fairly certain we would be looking at worst film in the series territory if he had gotten his way. Bond dying would have been absolutely ridiculous. And I am optimistic about Burns. I expect B25 will be a good movie.
    Not only Bond dying would’ve been the worst, but Boyle’s political and social ideologies forced down our throats, radically changing the culture of the character, and direct a non-linear sort of a film with pop music and acid trips appearing every now and then, jumping from one scene to the other without making sense. No, thank you. Good riddance.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    @peter When an A-list director who also happens to be a huge fan of the Bond novels wants to mix things up a little bit, you let him to his thing! As for some people here siding with her over Boyle: Trusting Barbara Broccoli who has a pretty abysmal track record over two people (Hodge and Boyle) who are not only at the top of their games but are also big Ian Fleming fans simply does not make any sense.

    Barbara has no talent and no vision. She should resign right now for robbing the world from a truly unique once in a life time Bond film.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the malware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.

    Yes we definitely dodged a bullet with Boyle. I’m fairly certain we would be looking at worst film in the series territory if he had gotten his way. Bond dying would have been absolutely ridiculous. And I am optimistic about Burns. I expect B25 will be a good movie.
    Not only Bond dying would’ve been the worst, but Boyle’s political and social ideologies forced down our throats, radically changing the culture of the character, and direct a non-linear sort of a film with pop music and acid trips appearing every now and then, jumping from one scene to the other without making sense. No, thank you. Good riddance.

    It sounds like Boyle’s style is the antithesis of proper Bondian qualities in every possible way. I agree, good riddance.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the malware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.

    Yes we definitely dodged a bullet with Boyle. I’m fairly certain we would be looking at worst film in the series territory if he had gotten his way. Bond dying would have been absolutely ridiculous. And I am optimistic about Burns. I expect B25 will be a good movie.
    Not only Bond dying would’ve been the worst, but Boyle’s political and social ideologies forced down our throats, radically changing the culture of the character, and direct a non-linear sort of a film with pop music and acid trips appearing every now and then, jumping from one scene to the other without making sense. No, thank you. Good riddance.

    It sounds like Boyle’s style is the antithesis of proper Bondian qualities in every possible way. I agree, good riddance.
    Boyle is a huge Ian Fleming fan. His movie would have been a Bond fan’s wet dream. Sooner or later the Hodge screenplay will get leaked then it will be plain obvious what an awful choice Barbara Broccoli made yet again.
  • Posts: 17,241
    Boyle is a huge Ian Fleming fan. His movie would have been a Bond fan’s wet dream.

    You don't know that.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end.

    I will be absolutely over the moon if we ever get this kind of proper Bond movie again.
    Better make that two. But, that’s not happening anytime soon.

    That said, Burns wrote the screenplay for The Man from UNCLE that Steven Soderbergh was going to direct. It was approved by the director. So, if Burns is good of a screenwriter to work with Soderbergh on numerous occasions, that’s good enough for me. Fukunaga doesn’t seem like the sort who would be harmful to the source material or the audience for the matter. Not so far, at least. So, I trust him.

    As long as none of the malware left by Danny Boyle is there, I’m relieved.

    Yes we definitely dodged a bullet with Boyle. I’m fairly certain we would be looking at worst film in the series territory if he had gotten his way. Bond dying would have been absolutely ridiculous. And I am optimistic about Burns. I expect B25 will be a good movie.
    Not only Bond dying would’ve been the worst, but Boyle’s political and social ideologies forced down our throats, radically changing the culture of the character, and direct a non-linear sort of a film with pop music and acid trips appearing every now and then, jumping from one scene to the other without making sense. No, thank you. Good riddance.
    It sounds like Boyle’s style is the antithesis of proper Bondian qualities in every possible way. I agree, good riddance.
    Boyle is a huge Ian Fleming fan. His movie would have been a Bond fan’s wet dream. Sooner or later the Hodge screenplay will get leaked then it will be plain obvious what an awful choice Barbara Broccoli made yet again.
    Anybody can say he or she is a Fleming fan and whatnot. A lot of directors and people before have made similar claims and their product turned out to be huge dealbreakers. Purvis & Wade are also “huge Fleming fans.” Look at where they stand, now.

    His movie would’ve been an anti-Bond fan’s wet dream. You got it backwards there.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Panchito, I am pretty good at skimming over your comments. But sentences do jump out at times. Your deriding of Barbara, for one thing, hides some sort of sickness with you. You are obsessed. Seek help elsewhere, please.

    Anyway, I just read the blurb on our site here, which reinforces that I would have hated the Boyle film with that script. We've been saved from some truly awful ideas.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    @ClarkDevlin A lot of filmmakers have claimed to be a casual fans of the Bond films. On the other hand it it is well known that Boyle has been a huge fan of the Bond NOVELS for a long time. Yes being a fan is not enough (just look at Purvis and Wade!) but Boyle isn’t just a huge fan, he also has a great track record.

    @4EverBonded What blurb? At this point we have no idea what Hodge’s script was about. All we know about that script is that it was written by a very talented writer with input and approval from a huge Fleming fan who also happens to be one of Britain’s most talented filmmakers. And that this script did not meet the approval of someone who has an abysmal track record.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    OK, I read it on twitter and thought it was from our Bond site. Maybe not.
  • Posts: 4,619
    OK, I read it on twitter and thought it was from our Bond site. Maybe not.
    Can you post a link to that tweet please? I would love to read that blurb.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,459
    No, I found it and it is on our site here (as well as tweeted), under James Bond news: Just go there.
    In part it says this: (bolding is mine)

    Back when Danny Boyle was going to direct the film, it was rumoured that Bond 25 would end with the death of 007. MI6 can confirm that this was an ending considered for the film when it was being penned by John Hodge. We can also reveal that for most of the script Boyle was developing, Bond was incarcerated by the villain. Daniel Craig has been keen to deliver a film in the style and substance of 'From Russia With Love', and it is no coincidence that Ian Fleming's original novel also ends leaving it unclear as to the fate of 007.

    It is not unusual for a Bond script to go through several twists and turns before the cameras roll, however, Bond 25 has already seen two different directors announced, two delays to the release date, and at least five different writers. If Bond 25 turns out to be one of the better entries in the series, these hiccups will be easily forgotten.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,400
    Boyle wanted to imprison and kill Bond:

    boyle-craig-gettyimages-1535032099.jpg?resize=480:*

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-new-writer-to-overhaul-shooting-script?id=04454

    Interesting article from Mi6 - aside the woeful journalism (I mean Playbill instead of The Playlist?!? Is it that hard to name your source correctly. Yikes).

    But they 'confirm' the theory that Boyle wanted to kill Bond and a large part of the film dealt with Bond being incarcerated by the villain. Which doesn't quite scream exotic locations and action....

    Bond getting captured is always a great conceit. We have seen hospitable villains in the past. But I'm unsure if we need a significant chunk of the film taken up with it.

    I imagine the script issues have stopped them from reaching out to actors. Hence the lack of concrete news.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    "Five writers" noted but seems to me the main writers were Hodge, Purvis & Wade. Three people. Haggis did not do a major piece of writing; just my impression. He was brought in to add, make changes. Like he has before; that kind of task. Like on many Bond films. Now, with this new writer there will be more changes, some substantial, and hopefully we get the full story as a solid, compelling piece. Burns has the experience, so I think this will play out all right.
  • Posts: 17,241
    The more bits I read about the Boyle movie, the more it sounds like a film I wouldn't pay to watch.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    FRWL is one of my very favorite films. Having Bond captured is fine for a small part of the film. The whole premise above sounds dreary to me and also screams "potentially boring" at times. Definitely little action. I am all for this being a serious, realistic Bond film (a la Casino Royale), but not a quiet, low simmering kind of film. I think Boyle and Hodge went too extreme in that direction ... yeah, and I don't want Bond dead in any way shape or form, let me be clear on that point.

    So onward we go. I am very thankful to Barbara and EON at this point. And hiring Cary was very smart. He is a very good storyteller, just get him a decent script.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Good Lord! No, thank you! It’s exactly what I feared!

    Let me repeat my profound feelings towards Boyle: Good Riddance!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Good Lord! No, thank you! It’s exactly what I feared!

    Let me repeat my profound feelings towards Boyle: Good Riddance!

    Better make that two.
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