No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I still find it hard to swallow that Demange will be the choice. He simply doesn't have the experience handling a film/production of this size and magnitude. And this isn't just James Bond; it's DC's last James Bond.

    Peter Hunt never directed a thing before OHMSS. Just sayin'...

    Not strictly true, Peter Hunt was second unit director on both YOLT and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang before OHMSS. Second unit is still directing.

    From the majority of other posters here, I notice no one seems at all bothered by Demange's shaky-cam-style approach of direction, reminiscent of Marc Forster and Greengrass. Therefore, there's a chance that Bond 25 could end up looking more like a Jason Bourne film than a Bond one. I'm not sure I can put my faith in those that offer up their incontestable assurances without scrutinizing what the end product might look like.
    No, in fact I am quite bothered by the shaky cam. Definately not the approach I would want to see for B25, which is what puts me off with Demange. Villeneuve is a much more suitable candidate IMO, even if it's looking less and less likely by the day.
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    Seems like Demange likes to work with cinematographer Tat Radcliffe (both 71' and in soon-to-premiere 'White Boy Rick'), who have shot all his full length movies using Arri Alexa.
    bondsum wrote: »
    no one seems at all bothered by Demange's shaky-cam-style approach of direction, reminiscent of Marc Forster and Greengrass.
    Demange has made two full length movies so far - one still in postprduction - and both Greengrass and Forster have made several movies that weren't shaky cam mayhem.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 2,594
    I want the fun back in Bond.

    "I'm an early riser myself"

    I can understand that but you need the right actor for it. The light-hearted humour doesn't really work with Craig. If you're referring to a fun Bond film with another actor after the Craig era and who can do humour like Moore, then okay.

  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    If Bond 25 turned out to be a cross between CR and SP I'd be happy.
    Not sure how true some of the reports that it'll be action light are. Considering Craig's age and previous injuries, it's possible.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    What does action light mean? Like CR minus the airport scene?
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    edited August 2017 Posts: 14,811
    I'm guessing it means less reliant on action.
    I guess you could say something like FRWL was action light...DN too.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    The humour in SP did not always work with DC - CR and QoS was much better in that sense.

    I would skip Blofeld and keep SPECTRE, because to me the character of Blofeld is ruined until they soft-reboot with a new actor.

    About parodies like Austin Powers: There are a lot of parodies of Darth Vader - yet you never find it laughable when seeing the original on screen. But Blofeld with a white cat ... it was very hard to bring him back and not think of the (well done) parody of Dr. Evil. It would have worked when keeping him more in the shadows - the introduction at the Rome meeting was well done ... but everything after "coocoo" ruined it ... and making them forster-brothers. Too bad. I would leave out Blofeld until a soft-reboot and go back to the FRWL/TB - approach.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I still find it hard to swallow that Demange will be the choice. He simply doesn't have the experience handling a film/production of this size and magnitude. And this isn't just James Bond; it's DC's last James Bond.

    Huh? And Mendes did? Look, these days what REALLY matters most is the vision and skill/talent. So many directors who fit the criteria of having experience with big blockbusters and successful ones at that have dropped the ball considerably in recent years. There's more than enough proof out there that, regardless of experience if you have a skilled director with a great vision and producers who actually do their jobs you get a great result. It's that simple.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    007Blofeld wrote: »

    Even if this turns out to be true, Beyonce isn't a rapper so I don't know what you're talking about. As a singer, song writer and overall performer/artist her talent is beyond dynamic. Her doing a Bond theme would only help the movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Why are we talking about the title song when it is the very last thing to be produced?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Why are we talking about the title song when it is the very last thing to be produced?

    Exactly. I would not trust any rumor this early.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 2,594
    A FRWL/DN Bond flick would be wonderful but I can't help but doubt the validity of this. It's so difficult to visualise a contemporary Bond film in a similar vein to Connery's first two unfortunately. Ten plus years ago I used to come on this forum and perhaps ignorantly wax lyrical about how we should get an old school type Bond film. Now, I'm either more realistic, cynical or both. :) At least Craig's films, excluding the unjustifiably action heavy QOS, are more action light than the Brosnan installments which had more action than what was needed.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Why are we talking about the title song when it is the very last thing to be produced?

    Exactly. I would not trust any rumor this early.
    Next thing we'll hear is that David Guetta is doing the score. Seriously. :))
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    007Blofeld wrote: »

    Beyonce is the world's most famous recording artist with a huge amount of critical acclaim. Bond would be lucky to have her.

    I think your comment is worrying, perhaps you should read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,423
    I personally don't agree with Beyonce's politics at all. They're close to being the full opposite of mine, but I don't think this is about politics. Some people don't want her for the same reason they don't want Taylor Swift.

    However, I do think Beyonce could pull hell of a job on a Bond song as I've heard many of her previous works that have a beautifully structured Bondian tone to them. So, yes. I'll be satisfied if she is on board. But, on condition they pull it off right. And not like Madonna, who generally is a great songstress, happened to produce a crapfest of a work out of Die Another Day.

    In the end, that's just tabloid news. Why would anyone even consider a song performer ahead of anything when the script and the crew aren't even established yet? Let alone the distribution deal.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Beyonce tends to have an army of songwriters to produce her albums for her, she is just a voice and an image, a hugely successful one.

    She does have a great voice and if they can get the right collaborators involved, I supposed it would be asking too much for the person who gets scoring duties to be part of that project though.

    One of the reasons why YKMN is such a fan favourite is because it's throughout the film in different arrangements.

    It would be great to bookend DC's career with that kind of thing again. One of the reasons I'm hoping DA gets back on board for his swansong.

    I'm not against the director using anyone else as long as it's not TN, his SF score was suitable and had some real fine moments but his next one well....


    TN has had enough chances to nail it and he can't DA was really getting it with CR and especially QOS.

    I know TN is Oscar nominated and greatly respected and his most likely more skilled and versatile than DA but Arnold knows Bond and gets it.

    We certainly don't need subtlety with Bond 25, if DC can't have a full on blatant Bond score there is something wrong. If Demange is the man I hope he doesn't want his White Boy Rick composer back but the fear is that TN may well get more Bond scores under his belt in the DC era than Dave and that would be wrong.

    That Oscar nomination for the SF score carries allot of weight I'm afraid and YD might want him back, I hope not but it's definitely not off the table.

    As a bookend and a musical tribute to it's co writer a new arrangement of YKMN would be a great thing to hear in Bond 25 and if BB & MGW can keep going back to P&W then I can think of worse places to go for music than David Arnold.

  • RC7RC7
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    If Yann is indeed the man I'm happy.

    Thought 71 was very good, anymore news out there on back to back filming of 2?

    This sounds great but I'm inclined to take it with a pinch of salt, unless this is the plan and they'll keep it concealed till the press conference and then bang you aren't just getting Bond 25, 26 will follow fairly sharply after.

    Kind of a dream for most Bond fans but not sure, I'm thinking one more and DC is out, he dismissed 2 back to back before, unless they've found a way to do this that won't consume his time in a way you'd imagine shooting 2 would involve.

    Like to know what @RC7 & @ColonelSun our resident industry members make of this?

    I haven't heard anything about it so can't say either way really.

    My instinct is that it's false. The only plausible reason I can see for shooting two back to back is an interconnected narrative. In which case I would think EON pretty dumb to assume there's a market for it. @QuantumOrganization refuses to contextualise his position so it's hard to know whether he is being genuine or whether it's hot air from his quasi-Bond alumni Facebook friends.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    If Yann is indeed the man I'm happy.

    Thought 71 was very good, anymore news out there on back to back filming of 2?

    This sounds great but I'm inclined to take it with a pinch of salt, unless this is the plan and they'll keep it concealed till the press conference and then bang you aren't just getting Bond 25, 26 will follow fairly sharply after.

    Kind of a dream for most Bond fans but not sure, I'm thinking one more and DC is out, he dismissed 2 back to back before, unless they've found a way to do this that won't consume his time in a way you'd imagine shooting 2 would involve.

    Like to know what @RC7 & @ColonelSun our resident industry members make of this?

    I haven't heard anything about it so can't say either way really.

    My instinct is that it's false. The only plausible reason I can see for shooting two back to back is an interconnected narrative. In which case I would think EON pretty dumb to assume there's a market for it. @QuantumOrganization refuses to contextualise his position so it's hard to know whether he is being genuine or whether it's hot air from his quasi-Bond alumni Facebook friends.

    Thanks @RC7 I'm more likely to take you seasoned members with a proven track record of having inside knowledge like yourself and the @ColonelSun on things like this.

    Back to back does sound quite fantastical especially when DC rather openly said no chance or more colourful metaphors in normal DC fashion to that effect.

    I guess we are going to see so many rumours now it's been green lit and DC is back just like the Beyonce one, although that seems more plausible and than Bond 25 & 26 being shot continuously.

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    Shardlake wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    If Yann is indeed the man I'm happy.

    Thought 71 was very good, anymore news out there on back to back filming of 2?

    This sounds great but I'm inclined to take it with a pinch of salt, unless this is the plan and they'll keep it concealed till the press conference and then bang you aren't just getting Bond 25, 26 will follow fairly sharply after.

    Kind of a dream for most Bond fans but not sure, I'm thinking one more and DC is out, he dismissed 2 back to back before, unless they've found a way to do this that won't consume his time in a way you'd imagine shooting 2 would involve.

    Like to know what @RC7 & @ColonelSun our resident industry members make of this?

    I haven't heard anything about it so can't say either way really.

    My instinct is that it's false. The only plausible reason I can see for shooting two back to back is an interconnected narrative. In which case I would think EON pretty dumb to assume there's a market for it. @QuantumOrganization refuses to contextualise his position so it's hard to know whether he is being genuine or whether it's hot air from his quasi-Bond alumni Facebook friends.

    Thanks @RC7 I'm more likely to take you seasoned members with a proven track record of having inside knowledge like yourself and the @ColonelSun on things like this.

    Back to back does sound quite fantastical especially when DC rather openly said no chance or more colourful metaphors in normal DC fashion to that effect.

    I guess we are going to see so many rumours now it's been green lit and DC is back just like the Beyonce one, although that seems more plausible and than Bond 25 & 26 being shot continuously.

    I agree with @RC7 - I just don't buy back-to-back films. It's a huge production number (and a long scripting job) and if they were, as some think, shooting from May '18, they'd be charging into pre-production now. I haven't heard of that happening and I know a number of crew who work on the Bonds and have done since the Brosnan days - and they've not mentioned anything to me. So my guess is pre-production in May for one film- as per the usual Eon Bond schedule.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    It takes them (EON) three to four years between one film as it is. To organise back to back filming would be highly unlikely.
    If they did, how long would the next hiatus be. Ten years!
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    RC7 wrote: »
    @QuantumOrganization refuses to contextualise his position so it's hard to know whether he is being genuine or whether it's hot air from his quasi-Bond alumni Facebook friends.
    I have been saying for days that @QuantumOrganization needs to man up and tell us more.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    If Yann is indeed the man I'm happy.

    Thought 71 was very good, anymore news out there on back to back filming of 2?

    This sounds great but I'm inclined to take it with a pinch of salt, unless this is the plan and they'll keep it concealed till the press conference and then bang you aren't just getting Bond 25, 26 will follow fairly sharply after.

    Kind of a dream for most Bond fans but not sure, I'm thinking one more and DC is out, he dismissed 2 back to back before, unless they've found a way to do this that won't consume his time in a way you'd imagine shooting 2 would involve.

    Like to know what @RC7 & @ColonelSun our resident industry members make of this?

    I haven't heard anything about it so can't say either way really.

    My instinct is that it's false. The only plausible reason I can see for shooting two back to back is an interconnected narrative. In which case I would think EON pretty dumb to assume there's a market for it. @QuantumOrganization refuses to contextualise his position so it's hard to know whether he is being genuine or whether it's hot air from his quasi-Bond alumni Facebook friends.

    Thanks @RC7 I'm more likely to take you seasoned members with a proven track record of having inside knowledge like yourself and the @ColonelSun on things like this.

    Back to back does sound quite fantastical especially when DC rather openly said no chance or more colourful metaphors in normal DC fashion to that effect.

    I guess we are going to see so many rumours now it's been green lit and DC is back just like the Beyonce one, although that seems more plausible and than Bond 25 & 26 being shot continuously.

    I agree with @RC7 - I just don't buy back-to-back films. It's a huge production number (and a long scripting job) and if they were, as some think, shooting from May '18, they'd be charging into pre-production now. I haven't heard of that happening and I know a number of crew who work on the Bonds and have done since the Brosnan days - and they've not mentioned anything to me. So my guess is pre-production in May for one film- as per the usual Eon Bond schedule.

    Thanks @ColonelSun as usual like @RC7 I've got no inside track and it's always good to get both your takes even if some other members question it

    I'm merely a fan and appreciate these little bits of information from you both.
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Seems like Demange likes to work with cinematographer Tat Radcliffe (both 71' and in soon-to-premiere 'White Boy Rick'), who have shot all his full length movies using Arri Alexa.
    bondsum wrote: »
    no one seems at all bothered by Demange's shaky-cam-style approach of direction, reminiscent of Marc Forster and Greengrass.
    Demange has made two full length movies so far - one still in postprduction - and both Greengrass and Forster have made several movies that weren't shaky cam mayhem.
    I was also referring to Demange's TV work in my assessment, which all have an overuse of handheld camera techniques. It's not just solely based on his 71 movie. Please tell me that you've checked out all his other work before submitting your knee-jerk comment?

    Would you also care to name the several Greengrass movies that didn't use shaky-cam, as I'm at a bit of a loss myself? If memory serves me right, United 93, Captain Philips, Green Zone, plus all the Bournes all used shaky-cam. I'll admit Marc Foster is perhaps less deserving of being labeled a "shaky-cam" extraordinaire, but his one-time Bond effort did embrace those particular techniques for which he is remembered, whether rightly or wrongly, by the majority of fans here.
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    Personally if it is a 2 parter as it's now rumored then I would be happy as I would green both Garden of Death and Blofeld for titles sorry I know I am in the minority here but the idea of Craig's era going

    Casino Royale 2006
    Quantum of Solace 2008
    Skyfall 2012
    Spectre 2015
    Garden of Death 2019
    Blofeld 2020

    Would make this Bond fan happy and of course yes I can start the Huddleston era with

    007 in New York for 2022

    Ok maybe the last part I am kidding about but both me and my wife like Hiddleston for the role we also like Fassbender but considering he will be mid 40's by the time he takes the role my issue is unless we get a film once every other year again I doubt Fassbender will A) take up the mantle and B) do only one or 2 with the 3-4 year gap

    As for Yann I might check out 71 at some point... however people I trust on here say Yann will be good and people who don't like the idea keep comparing him to my favorite Bond director Marc Forester and my second favorite film Quantum of Solace so I am still excited
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2017 Posts: 40,371
    I'd take a big pass on Hiddleston. I was warming to the idea when discussions about a new actor were pretty rampant on the forums, but now I don't want him anywhere near the role. Fassbender would still be my number one choice, although he'll likely be deemed too old when the time comes.

    They may have to go with someone much younger if we aren't getting a new installment but every three or four years.
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    Shatterhand part 1, Shatterhand part 2

    That's whatnot should be called if it's a 2 parter
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Hiddleston, Fassbender or Goode will work for me. Looking for someone significantly suaver next time out, which is why I'm not too keen on Hardy even though I'm sure he could do well under Nolan.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    which is a ridiculous statement,
    Well said. If it turns out that @QuantumOrganization and his source was right about EON filming two movies as one long production then I will start paying attention to him. For now, this rumour sounds pretty ridiculous. Hasn't Craig alwas been against the idea? And why would they hire someone relatively inexperienced (compared to directors such as Campbell or Mendes) like Demange to direct two movies back-to-back for the first time in the franchise's history? Demange directing one action-light Bond film makes 100% sense. Him directing two movies back-to-back doesn't.

    Has quantum organization made correct calls in the past is he a reliable source?
    I predicted an announcement for late A
    bondjames wrote: »
    Hiddleston, Fassbender or Goode will work for me. Looking for someone significantly suaver next time out, which is why I'm not too keen on Hardy even though I'm sure he could do well under Nolan.
    Save that discussion for Bond 27 or beyond.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Hiddleston, Fassbender or Goode will work for me. Looking for someone significantly suaver next time out, which is why I'm not too keen on Hardy even though I'm sure he could do well under Nolan.
    Save that discussion for Bond 27 or beyond.
    Really? Still convinced about the double bill are you? Looking forward to the announcement next month with some interest.
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