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    Of course, from the anti-Muslims on here, not a fucking word mourning those hit in the van attack outside the mosque except to basically say "well if only they integrated better into our colonization."

    You can't mourn someone who isn't dead. As far as I know the gentleman who collapsed outside the Mosque died from natural causes (mind you you'd have a hard time getting this out of the mass hysteria of the press at the moment) and there were 10 people injured from the attack.

    Not sure if it makes me 'anti-Muslim' but I don't respect any religion. Especially one that demeans women and slaughters animals in such a sadistic way simply because their imaginary friend tells them to.

    Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.

    They are just blokes taking a pay check. Being a fan quite a different thing. Doesn't mean they love the character like we do. I wonder how often the actors watch Bond films? I'd go out on a limb and say hardly ever (the only one I can recall ever mentioning it is Brozza watching GF with his kids) because they just treat it as a job.

    And your argument about Scottish nationalist falls a bit flat when you consider the guy is a tax exile living in Marbella. You might consider someone who is so committed to the cause to actually live in the country he's supposed to love but then once your earnings start getting battered by the top rate of tax it's strange how your socialist principles start to change somewhat.

    But I haven't got a problem with it. If people can enjoy cheering on a character who lives in luxury and kills for the imperialist British government so that they can continue subjugating the poor and it doesn't compromise their strongly held leftist beliefs then fine.

    And lest we forget Fleming himself was the ultimate working class hero. Worked down't pit for 30 years man and boy, raced pigeons and was a card carrying member of the Labour Party who knew all the words to 'The Red Flag.'
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    That'll explain the pit helmet hanging in the hallway at Goldeneye ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.
    The funny thing is if one did that there would be a few members here who would take offense and who actually wouldn't see the film on account of it.

    Some folks are sadly run by religion. Others are so obsessed with politics (in lieu of religion) that it is this instead of religion which warps their sense of reality.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Unsurprising. Deep State/MIC at work again, controlling the feckless politicians with bribes and threats. War is good for business, and is another way to make the masses subservient through fear (religion seems to be losing its grip on that particular emotion in the Western world). Yet most will ignore this, and will rather focus on their little media created controversies and distractions.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Of course, from the anti-Muslims on here, not a fucking word mourning those hit in the van attack outside the mosque except to basically say "well if only they integrated better into our colonization."

    You can't mourn someone who isn't dead. As far as I know the gentleman who collapsed outside the Mosque died from natural causes (mind you you'd have a hard time getting this out of the mass hysteria of the press at the moment) and there were 10 people injured from the attack.

    Not sure if it makes me 'anti-Muslim' but I don't respect any religion. Especially one that demeans women and slaughters animals in such a sadistic way simply because their imaginary friend tells them to.

    Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.

    Yeah but we don't have a religious doctrine on how animals should be slaughtered do we? Yep, animal abuses occur in every country but I'd imagine the UK is pretty low on the totem pole of animal abuse. So your argument that 'we are just as bad' is not only moronic, it's insulting.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Anti-semite!
    Well the Tories were the only ones who said enough is enough and talked about clamping down on murdering scum coming back from Syria to live amongst us unchecked but the public have clearly stated they prefer the guy who can't bring himself to denounce the IRA on camera.

    Fair enough. Let's have Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. Just don't moan when your children get slaughtered on a daily basis and we have sharia law within 3 years.

    I am guessing you voted for the coalition of Tory chaos then?

    Think back to where we were 2 years ago. 5 years of Lib Dem-Tory coalition with the Lib Dems holding the Tory loons back from utterly wrecking the country. UK had the fasting growing economy in the G7. Everything looking relatively rosy in an unsettled world.

    Then Cameron wins a majority and two years down the line and the country is in utter chaos. Economic growth has collapsed. Now bottom of the G7 (below 'basket case' France). Pound in free-fall. Inflation going up rapidly. Real wages stagnating or going down. Basically, almost exactly what was warned about before the referendum. And you trust the Conservatives to get us out of this mess, which 2 Tory prime ministers had needlessly got us into?

    Catastrophic referendum blew up in their faces. Catastrophic election blew up in their faces. Country under sustained terrorist attack. Racial/ethnic/religious tensions boiling over, stoked by inept national political leadership and tower blocks burning down in the middle of London.

    Blimey, if you're happy with this shower of a government, it really does prove that the British public will settle for just about anything.

    Btw, the Tories have been playing the dog whistle racism 'we'll sort out immigration' card for decades - they never actually do anything about it.

    No he'd rather have self serving Elitists governing us, the absurdity of Diane Abbot being Home Secretary is no more ridiculous than that utter toffy nosed buffoon Boris being Foreign Secretary, the difference is that Abbott wasn't afforded privilege and doesn't live in a completely different world to the majority of us and has some reference to real life.

    Boris didn't even want to leave the EU, he fronted the leave campaign to further his chances of being the next PM, both Cameron him and now May have taken huge gambles for the sake of their party and put the country second, isn't time we woke up tp this, the Tories will always protect them and theirs.

    Abbott's sum mistakes are a drop in the ocean compared to the incompetent self serving polices of this government, just look at the present situation. The Tories have blood on their hands over Grenfell and they can't be declared of innocence with the recent terrorist attacks, our foreign policy is making the situation worse

    I went to see Stewart Lee last night on his Content Provider tour (utterly brilliant and hilarious one of the best stand up shows I've ever seen). He pointed out the scary proposition of Boris being Foreign Secretary and a possible future PM, yeah it's scary it's fucking scary.

    He also mentioned another comic piece of gold that Nigel Farage looks like someone who would put driving gloves on before he masturbates but I digress.

    It's time we realised that having self serving elitist in a position of power is not helping things, we are being run by people who have one only agenda to keep them and there's comfortable and bend at likes of Rupert Murdoch to his whims, the most likely reason why that weasel Gove is back in the cabinet or Ray Allen and Lord Charles as I like to call them.

    https://www.slwoods.co.uk/?p=7253

    No Wizard would rather that, he seems to believe all the propaganda about Corbyn and has totally swallowed the Daily Mail and Sun lies about him. Corbyn sits down with terrorists to try and come to an agreement peacefully yet he's regarding a terrorist sympathiser for doing this, no better to just bomb innocent civilians in retaliation.

    JC condemns all the attacks and violence perpetrated in the name of their causes, he warned about the aftermath of Iraq back 2003 and voted against what happened he's been on the wrong side of the vote but on the right side of history.

    Well get ready for it my right wing friend because a change is coming, it's in the air people aren't going to stand for this anymore.

    The Tories are dying on their arse and if May goes the choice of alternatives is even worse, this party is toxic and we'll make sure that the party doesn't make Theresa the scapegoat for it all and then brush it under the carpet.

    No wonder the Tories want to police the internet it's nothing to do with Terrorism it's about having control of an area that threw a huge spanner in their general election plans.

    Not even having the biased BBC with the likes of Laura Kuenssberg & Nick Robinson blatant Tory stooges and then the toilet paper alternatives of Rupert Murdoch and those Tory Propagandists The Sun & The Daily Mail couldn't deliver them a majority.

    Of course they want control over it, using terrorism as an excuse to censor free speech and control things getting out is utterly deplorable.

    This party is morally bankrupt and needs to go.

    I'll leave the last word to JP, this man continues to hit the nail on the head again and again and this time it's not funny it's the brutal truth.




    You seem to be a bit of a contradiction @Shardlake. A screaming leftie who likes James Bond? A British imperialist spy? All very strange.
    As for Stewart Lee, the biggest left wing prick if ever i've seen one. Making jokes about Nigel Farage to a left wing audience? Cor, that's radical ain't it? Pretty soft target but then that's the only thing these champagne socialists will have a go at. This is the bloke that made a programme protesting about that action film Who Dares Wins. I'm so glad it gets up this wankers nose. I love that film!

    Like most Labour supporters you seem to be in a state of delusion. The Tories are certainly in a mess at the moment but the biggest danger to this country would be a Corbyn led Labour party in charge. Now that is a scary thought.

    James Bond is a fictional character created by Ian Fleming I don't share his political leanings I just enjoy watching the films (some of them that is).

    It's the first time I've heard you can't like James Bond if you lean to the left, you have to raving right winger to like Bond now, guess I better renounce my nearly 40 years fandom, as I'm not a lover of Maggie and all things Conservative, god you do talk some utter shite!

    The scary thought is a reality already for me, I'm sick of seeing elites govern this country maybe you are comfortable with Boris as FS or the likes of Jacob Reece Mogg spouting his elitist nonsense.

    We'll wait to see if Corbyn makes it to no. 10, it can't be much worse than the utter shit fest we have at the moment.

    Stewart Lee was utterly hilarious but you right wingers never have been able to produce comedians of any substance.

    I'm greatly look to you being very shit scared sooner or later!

    I prefer stand up like the late great Bill Hicks. Said whatever he felt like and didn't give shit who he offended. And didn't just stick to mocking easy targets that his audience would side with him with.
    Where did I mention I'm a right winger by the way? I'm from the common sense sort of corner and I just can't abide lefties. Because you usually find they're the biggest sniveling hypocrites you could ever meet.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Anti-semite!
    Well the Tories were the only ones who said enough is enough and talked about clamping down on murdering scum coming back from Syria to live amongst us unchecked but the public have clearly stated they prefer the guy who can't bring himself to denounce the IRA on camera.

    Fair enough. Let's have Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. Just don't moan when your children get slaughtered on a daily basis and we have sharia law within 3 years.

    I am guessing you voted for the coalition of Tory chaos then?

    Think back to where we were 2 years ago. 5 years of Lib Dem-Tory coalition with the Lib Dems holding the Tory loons back from utterly wrecking the country. UK had the fasting growing economy in the G7. Everything looking relatively rosy in an unsettled world.

    Then Cameron wins a majority and two years down the line and the country is in utter chaos. Economic growth has collapsed. Now bottom of the G7 (below 'basket case' France). Pound in free-fall. Inflation going up rapidly. Real wages stagnating or going down. Basically, almost exactly what was warned about before the referendum. And you trust the Conservatives to get us out of this mess, which 2 Tory prime ministers had needlessly got us into?

    Catastrophic referendum blew up in their faces. Catastrophic election blew up in their faces. Country under sustained terrorist attack. Racial/ethnic/religious tensions boiling over, stoked by inept national political leadership and tower blocks burning down in the middle of London.

    Blimey, if you're happy with this shower of a government, it really does prove that the British public will settle for just about anything.

    Btw, the Tories have been playing the dog whistle racism 'we'll sort out immigration' card for decades - they never actually do anything about it.

    No he'd rather have self serving Elitists governing us, the absurdity of Diane Abbot being Home Secretary is no more ridiculous than that utter toffy nosed buffoon Boris being Foreign Secretary, the difference is that Abbott wasn't afforded privilege and doesn't live in a completely different world to the majority of us and has some reference to real life.

    Boris didn't even want to leave the EU, he fronted the leave campaign to further his chances of being the next PM, both Cameron him and now May have taken huge gambles for the sake of their party and put the country second, isn't time we woke up tp this, the Tories will always protect them and theirs.

    Abbott's sum mistakes are a drop in the ocean compared to the incompetent self serving polices of this government, just look at the present situation. The Tories have blood on their hands over Grenfell and they can't be declared of innocence with the recent terrorist attacks, our foreign policy is making the situation worse

    I went to see Stewart Lee last night on his Content Provider tour (utterly brilliant and hilarious one of the best stand up shows I've ever seen). He pointed out the scary proposition of Boris being Foreign Secretary and a possible future PM, yeah it's scary it's fucking scary.

    He also mentioned another comic piece of gold that Nigel Farage looks like someone who would put driving gloves on before he masturbates but I digress.

    It's time we realised that having self serving elitist in a position of power is not helping things, we are being run by people who have one only agenda to keep them and there's comfortable and bend at likes of Rupert Murdoch to his whims, the most likely reason why that weasel Gove is back in the cabinet or Ray Allen and Lord Charles as I like to call them.

    https://www.slwoods.co.uk/?p=7253

    No Wizard would rather that, he seems to believe all the propaganda about Corbyn and has totally swallowed the Daily Mail and Sun lies about him. Corbyn sits down with terrorists to try and come to an agreement peacefully yet he's regarding a terrorist sympathiser for doing this, no better to just bomb innocent civilians in retaliation.

    JC condemns all the attacks and violence perpetrated in the name of their causes, he warned about the aftermath of Iraq back 2003 and voted against what happened he's been on the wrong side of the vote but on the right side of history.

    Well get ready for it my right wing friend because a change is coming, it's in the air people aren't going to stand for this anymore.

    The Tories are dying on their arse and if May goes the choice of alternatives is even worse, this party is toxic and we'll make sure that the party doesn't make Theresa the scapegoat for it all and then brush it under the carpet.

    No wonder the Tories want to police the internet it's nothing to do with Terrorism it's about having control of an area that threw a huge spanner in their general election plans.

    Not even having the biased BBC with the likes of Laura Kuenssberg & Nick Robinson blatant Tory stooges and then the toilet paper alternatives of Rupert Murdoch and those Tory Propagandists The Sun & The Daily Mail couldn't deliver them a majority.

    Of course they want control over it, using terrorism as an excuse to censor free speech and control things getting out is utterly deplorable.

    This party is morally bankrupt and needs to go.

    I'll leave the last word to JP, this man continues to hit the nail on the head again and again and this time it's not funny it's the brutal truth.




    You seem to be a bit of a contradiction @Shardlake. A screaming leftie who likes James Bond? A British imperialist spy? All very strange.
    As for Stewart Lee, the biggest left wing prick if ever i've seen one. Making jokes about Nigel Farage to a left wing audience? Cor, that's radical ain't it? Pretty soft target but then that's the only thing these champagne socialists will have a go at. This is the bloke that made a programme protesting about that action film Who Dares Wins. I'm so glad it gets up this wankers nose. I love that film!

    Like most Labour supporters you seem to be in a state of delusion. The Tories are certainly in a mess at the moment but the biggest danger to this country would be a Corbyn led Labour party in charge. Now that is a scary thought.

    James Bond is a fictional character created by Ian Fleming I don't share his political leanings I just enjoy watching the films (some of them that is).

    It's the first time I've heard you can't like James Bond if you lean to the left, you have to raving right winger to like Bond now, guess I better renounce my nearly 40 years fandom, as I'm not a lover of Maggie and all things Conservative, god you do talk some utter shite!

    The scary thought is a reality already for me, I'm sick of seeing elites govern this country maybe you are comfortable with Boris as FS or the likes of Jacob Reece Mogg spouting his elitist nonsense.

    We'll wait to see if Corbyn makes it to no. 10, it can't be much worse than the utter shit fest we have at the moment.

    Stewart Lee was utterly hilarious but you right wingers never have been able to produce comedians of any substance.

    I'm greatly look to you being very shit scared sooner or later!

    I prefer stand up like the late great Bill Hicks. Said whatever he felt like and didn't give shit who he offended. And didn't just stick to mocking easy targets that his audience would side with him with.
    Where did I mention I'm a right winger by the way? I'm from the common sense sort of corner and I just can't abide lefties. Because you usually find they're the biggest sniveling hypocrites you could ever meet.

    Strangely enough Hicks is my all time favourite stand up and he'd definitely be going after the current Government in this country and the U.S

    I imagine Hicks being quite a fan of both Sanders and Corbyn.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.

    Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?
  • Posts: 2,400
    Of course, from the anti-Muslims on here, not a fucking word mourning those hit in the van attack outside the mosque except to basically say "well if only they integrated better into our colonization."

    You can't mourn someone who isn't dead. As far as I know the gentleman who collapsed outside the Mosque died from natural causes (mind you you'd have a hard time getting this out of the mass hysteria of the press at the moment) and there were 10 people injured from the attack.

    Not sure if it makes me 'anti-Muslim' but I don't respect any religion. Especially one that demeans women and slaughters animals in such a sadistic way simply because their imaginary friend tells them to.

    Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.

    Yeah but we don't have a religious doctrine on how animals should be slaughtered do we? Yep, animal abuses occur in every country but I'd imagine the UK is pretty low on the totem pole of animal abuse. So your argument that 'we are just as bad' is not only moronic, it's insulting.

    Sorry, so because we kill our animals awfully it's totally fine because it's not for religious reasons?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Of course, from the anti-Muslims on here, not a fucking word mourning those hit in the van attack outside the mosque except to basically say "well if only they integrated better into our colonization."

    You can't mourn someone who isn't dead. As far as I know the gentleman who collapsed outside the Mosque died from natural causes (mind you you'd have a hard time getting this out of the mass hysteria of the press at the moment) and there were 10 people injured from the attack.

    Not sure if it makes me 'anti-Muslim' but I don't respect any religion. Especially one that demeans women and slaughters animals in such a sadistic way simply because their imaginary friend tells them to.

    Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.

    Yeah but we don't have a religious doctrine on how animals should be slaughtered do we? Yep, animal abuses occur in every country but I'd imagine the UK is pretty low on the totem pole of animal abuse. So your argument that 'we are just as bad' is not only moronic, it's insulting.

    Sorry, so because we kill our animals awfully it's totally fine because it's not for religious reasons?

    The law states we kill livestock 'humanely' which is governed by UK and EU law. I'm sure there are abuses of this that if discovered are prosecuted. Animals in the UK are supposed to be killed rapidly with minimal suffering. Bit different to slitting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death because an ancient work of fiction tells you to.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.

    Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?

    That equating the appreciation, enjoyment or performance of a dramatic artwork with any particular political tendency or ideology is plain daft. It's the kind of simplistic idiocy you'd expect from people like ISIS, the hard right of the Republican Party or a Stalinist.
  • Posts: 4,602
    Trying to bring us back on track, I think one of the issues is that we have two movements within our society that are moving apart pretty quickly,
    On one side we have those who are vocal about waht a pile of poo relogion is. This is a new thing, look back at just 30 years ago and you just wont find such open and vocal critique of all religion, this is also reflected by the fact that the population overall is dropping relgion like a hot potatoe with 100 better things to do with you time on a Sunday (or what ever religious day you choose)
    On the other side we have a group who focus on individual rights sand rights of communities with the focus on the right not to be offended and all the stuff about loving each other and wanting to stay as one big community, united and not divided etc etc,
    these two movements are diametrically opposed as, by defintion, you cant slag off religion without causing offence and effectively, undermining the values that many communties are based on (including Islam)

    Both of the movements cant be right, we cant have our cake and eat it, something has to give but, at the moment, manistream media and those in power are chosing the "light a candle,lets all hug, stronger together" attitude rather than, "what the hell are we doing, worshipping a sky fairy and thinking that they will come to our rescue"

    PS interesting where the "anti islamaphobia " argument will end. Will books be taken from the shelves of bookshops, will debates be banned, will threads like this be inspected? Am I guilty of encouraging Islamaphobia by pointing out that its a fairy tale?
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I think it's a bit more complex than that.

    There are plenty of people who would defend freedom of religion and the right to cause offence equally.

    In the UK our problem is that we don't have a right to free speech.

    Having said that I do have an issue with people causing offence for the sake of it. Freedom of speech should come with responsibilities as well.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.

    It's amazing how desperate people are to show their contempt for our society/appease religion (not just Islam as it applies to Kosher as much as halal) that they come out with statements like this.

    But @StirredNotShaken is backed by the government to be fair:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

    Quite disgusting how the government allows religion to supercede the law of the land.

    'You must stun all animals before you slaughter them unless an animal is being religiously slaughtered for halal or kosher meat.'


    So if you slit your dog's throat in your back yard and watch him bleed out you are committing a criminal offence unless you can prove you are a Jew or Muslim and are planning to eat him. Similarly if you chop a baby's foreskin off you can avoid prison by invoking religion.
    patb wrote: »
    Trying to bring us back on track, I think one of the issues is that we have two movements within our society that are moving apart pretty quickly,
    On one side we have those who are vocal about waht a pile of poo relogion is. This is a new thing, look back at just 30 years ago and you just wont find such open and vocal critique of all religion, this is also reflected by the fact that the population overall is dropping relgion like a hot potatoe with 100 better things to do with you time on a Sunday (or what ever religious day you choose)
    On the other side we have a group who focus on individual rights sand rights of communities with the focus on the right not to be offended and all the stuff about loving each other and wanting to stay as one big community, united and not divided etc etc,
    these two movements are diametrically opposed as, by defintion, you cant slag off religion without causing offence and effectively, undermining the values that many communties are based on (including Islam)

    Both of the movements cant be right, we cant have our cake and eat it, something has to give but, at the moment, manistream media and those in power are chosing the "light a candle,lets all hug, stronger together" attitude rather than, "what the hell are we doing, worshipping a sky fairy and thinking that they will come to our rescue"

    PS interesting where the "anti islamaphobia " argument will end. Will books be taken from the shelves of bookshops, will debates be banned, will threads like this be inspected? Am I guilty of encouraging Islamaphobia by pointing out that its a fairy tale?

    The irony being of course that it's the people who have no truck with religion who are happy to live and let live and let people do what they want as long as it doesn't affect others. But that's not good enough for the religious; they have to stamp their feet like toddlers until they get their own way.

    Did anyone see the Piers Morgan interview with the EDL guy the other day? It's probably on YouTube. The guy was obviously a bit of a moron who didn't have a great grasp of facts but the stand out moment for me was Morgan bellowing over him 'Have some damn respect for people's beliefs!' like an Obersturmbannfuhrer.

    This is where we are in this country - the rest of us are commanded to have respect for whatever infantile, idiotic stories someone might think are true. Unless of course you're a Jedi or a Scientologist and then people are allowed to laugh at you, an atheist in which case no one cares that you might find religion offensive or you are a believer in Hitler's philosophy and then your fundamental right to believe what you want goes out the window and you get thrown in clink.

    I guess the mainstream religions have it sewn up and we're losing the battle. You're allowed to believe whatever you want and other people will be ordered to respect said belief just as long as it conforms to one of the religions that has got the biggest market share. Although of course even that is flexible as there are less Sikhs than Jedi's in this country but one has to be respected and the other can be ridiculed.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.
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    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.

    So are most of the religious fanatics.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.
    Same goes for pigs, from my understanding.

    PS:
    The slit throat method of killing is intended to drain the blood from the animal and cause quick and painless death via blood pressure loss. I believe, as with the kosher method, that the knife must be extremely sharp for a clean cut. There is a science to it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,588
    bondjames wrote: »
    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.
    Same goes for pigs, from my understanding.

    PS:
    The slit throat method of killing is intended to drain the blood from the animal and cause quick and painless death via blood pressure loss. I believe, as with the kosher method, that the knife must be extremely sharp for a clean cut. There is a science to it.
    You are right.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    And on people?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.
    Same goes for pigs, from my understanding.

    PS:
    The slit throat method of killing is intended to drain the blood from the animal and cause quick and painless death via blood pressure loss. I believe, as with the kosher method, that the knife must be extremely sharp for a clean cut. There is a science to it.

    I couldn't give the slightest toss what it is 'intended' to do. UK law states that you must stun animals before you slaughter them. If the law says you drown them in the canal first then you do that instead. My fervent, heartfelt 'belief' is that you should be allowed to drive at 80 on the motorway but if I get caught doing it my 'belief' has zero traction with the law and I get 3 points and a fine.

    The law is not the pick & mix counter at Woolies. Unless you're religious of course.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    They cannot eat dogs. They are unclean.
    Same goes for pigs, from my understanding.

    PS:
    The slit throat method of killing is intended to drain the blood from the animal and cause quick and painless death via blood pressure loss. I believe, as with the kosher method, that the knife must be extremely sharp for a clean cut. There is a science to it.

    I couldn't give the slightest toss what it is 'intended' to do. UK law states that you must stun animals before you slaughter them. If the law says you drown them in the canal first then you do that instead. My fervent, heartfelt 'belief' is that you should be allowed to drive at 80 on the motorway but if I get caught doing it my 'belief' has zero traction with the law and I get 3 points and a fine.

    The law is not the pick & mix counter at Woolies. Unless you're religious of course.
    Your personal opinion on the Islamic tradition of halal slaughter (and speeding on the motorway) is duly noted. I was merely pointing out that there is some basis to the method itself, and felt I should given some of the commentary here. I personally don't have an opinion on it one way or another. Ultimately, the idea is to kill the animal in a painless manner.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited June 2017 Posts: 3,985
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.

    Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?

    That equating the appreciation, enjoyment or performance of a dramatic artwork with any particular political tendency or ideology is plain daft. It's the kind of simplistic idiocy you'd expect from people like ISIS, the hard right of the Republican Party or a Stalinist.

    You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about with that completely stupid and irrelevant comment.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes now we have a lefty playing Bond they'll let a Scots nationalist, or heaven forebid an Irishman play Bond next.

    Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.

    Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?

    That equating the appreciation, enjoyment or performance of a dramatic artwork with any particular political tendency or ideology is plain daft. It's the kind of simplistic idiocy you'd expect from people like ISIS, the hard right of the Republican Party or a Stalinist.

    You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about with that completely stupid and irrelevant comment.

    Correct, I have not got a clue what you're on about.

    What ARE you actually saying? Actors are free to pick and choose their work, but audiences are only allowed to watch films that align with their political beliefs?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?

    That equating the appreciation, enjoyment or performance of a dramatic artwork with any particular political tendency or ideology is plain daft. It's the kind of simplistic idiocy you'd expect from people like ISIS, the hard right of the Republican Party or a Stalinist.
    This is where you show a bias. Such idiotic lunacy also exists on the hard left where it's rearing its ugly head on a daily basis in some parts, if anyone cares to look. That's part of the problem.
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    All extremes are generally bad when they want to push for their "superior" views.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Exceptionalism is the root of all evil.
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