Scenes in 007 Films that Shouldn't make it to the final cut

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  • Everyone it's all so bloody awful. :D

    You're kidding, right? Benicio Del Toro, bloody awful? Robert Davi too? What the heck, let's recast Desmond L. as Q while we're at it...

    If we've got to have a Professor Joe then fine, Wayne Newton can keep his job, bless his heart. But Everett McGill as Killifer doesn't get to keep the money, he didn't earn it...

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Keeping with the tone of yet another " Let's knock Bond" threads .....
    .... Yes, everyone is bloody awful in it.
  • GBFGBF
    edited July 2016 Posts: 3,195
    I might be controvercial here but I like the Second half so much more than the First half. I really hate that sea plane sequence and the "you want it you......" scene that most fans like. My favourite scene is the climax which I think is among the best of the franchise.
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    I love that seaplane sequence, i always thought it would have made a great pre-credits scene! I can see how you prefer the second half. Unlike some Bond movies, it gets more exciting as it reaches its climax. And that final truck chase is one of the best choreographed action set pieces the series has produced!
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Bravo DaltonCraig007! Couldn't agree more. One review captured it well, "A good story, well told, with a truly explosive climax!"
    I remember that year so well, it was a scorching hot Summer, ( if I recall there was an election too here in Ireland! One candidate said he needed to take his mind off the count, so he was going to see the new Bond movie! No better way to take your mind off things than to see Bond! Cant remember if he got elected. Am sure he enjoyed LTK though! ) and the divisive critics, the late great Terry Wogan did a special show on it, with Gladys Knight singing the under-rated theme! Was so looking forward to Daltons third 007 film! Gutted when it was eventually announced he wouldn't be back! (Even more gutted when I found out who was replacing him!!!)
    Gone off topic here, but I make no excuse! A great Bond movie!

    Agreed! I was in the grips of Bond fervour from 87 until about 90-91. That period of quiet especially from 91-94. When there was no sound of anything happening really made a dent in my Bondmania. Tied with the influence of my age - growing from child into adult means other things become more interesting. But I was a real Fleming aficionado. The books, especially when I read them from 87-89, were immersive experiences and I felt that Dalton was the embodiment of that Bond. And LTK was the natural conclusion for the actor's approach. I loved the incorporating of elements of Live and Let Die and MWTGG and of course Milton Krest.
    I really love it. As much as I appreciate Brosnan for resurrecting the franchise in Goldeneye and I love Craig for making one of the series crowning achievements in Casino Royale, Dalton will always be my starter Bond. And LTK the only glimpse of what might have been. I always say he did Property of a Lady in 1991 and Risico in 1993. That's what i choose to believe!

    That's a GREAT post and exactly how I felt back then. LTK was released the summer before I started high school. I had read all the Fleming books the previous summer and a few of the Gardners and to me, Tim was truly attempting to represent the man in the pages. By the time my sophomore year finished and there wasn't a new film out it had been quite disappointing. I did keep myself Dalton entertained with The Rocketeer that summer. Set in the 30s he looked great! I kept think when Bond 17 comes around- keep THAT haircut for Tim.
    Still during that period in life other interests, skills, coming of age events occur and Bond takes a back seat. There were new digitally remastered VHS releases of the Bonds out in 1992, so it was kind of fun re dipping in those, but not much else happening.
    I must say I probably watched the CBS/Fox VHS edition of LTK at least a hundred times during that time, though. If I were to remove anything from that film, I suppose the Sanchez interrogation could have been re shot or a different take used.
    Actually, I may be one of the few here with this opinion, but I prefer the US theatrical version to the extended edition that's currently available. The shot of Leiter's stump isn't really necessary, and the scene is intense as is. Krest's head exploding to me works better when the cut is made as it's expanding. In the uncut version it looks like a dodgy effect.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Cut out everything with Wayne Newton.
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    I thought this was going to be a thread about scenes that could be deleted - for tonal inconsistency, redundancy, pacing issues, etc - not just another thread for complaining about the bar scene or Talisa Soto's acting or whatever else. At the end of the day, you can't just butcher the film to suit your specific tastes.

    To me, the one scene in LTK that has always stood out as unnecessary is Pam's plane being dismantled. It doesn't make much sense and doesn't go anywhere, either.

    I also think Bond and Pam sleeping together on the boat should have been cut. It seems to contradict Pam's hard-to-get act later and pops the balloon on their sexual tension too early.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Milovy wrote: »
    To me, the one scene in LTK that has always stood out as unnecessary is Pam's plane being dismantled. It doesn't make much sense and doesn't go anywhere, either.

    Its to set up that she needs to nick the cropduster which proves crucial in the final chase.

  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    I can't see anything wrong with the "why don't you wait to be asked ' myself and as for the plane being dismantled its just there to set up Pam using the old wreck of a crop duster so as not to smash up a perfectly good light aircraft .
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,686
    I would remove Largo's nuclear physicist from the climax of TB, since 1. he simply disappears once Bond pushes him off the boat, and 2. his mentioning of throwing the detonators in the sea is now nonexistent so the tension is still palpable during the underwater battle.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I would remove Largo's nuclear physicist from the climax of TB, since 1. he simply disappears once Bond pushes him off the boat, and 2. his mentioning of throwing the detonators in the sea is now nonexistent so the tension is still palpable during the underwater battle.

    There is no tension in TB precisely because the bombs are never even armed.

    How do you make a film where the villain's scheme is to hold the world to ransom with nuclear bombs yet never have the bomb even counting down?
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    Its to set up that she needs to nick the cropduster which proves crucial in the final chase.
    Why does it matter why or where she got the cropduster? The scene answers questions no one asked and raises questions that don't get answered (is Pam's plane being dismantled because Sanchez is onto her, or is the airport shut down because of the Stinger threat he's planning, or...? who knows). We haven't even seen her personal plane until this scene, where it's being dismantled. To be fair, the plane does appear in a deleted scene of Bond and Pam arriving at the airport in Isthmus, but the film as released lacks this set-up.
    Mrcoggins wrote: »
    I can't see anything wrong with the "why don't you wait to be asked ' myself and as for the plane being dismantled its just there to set up Pam using the old wreck of a crop duster so as not to smash up a perfectly good light aircraft .
    Well, I like that line, too. It works well. Same with the smooching. I just mean the final shot of the scene where Bond and Pam lower down into the boat to bump uglies. Too much, too soon.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    And there's me thinking that they were just lying down to be more comfortable whilst they waited for someone to come along and give the boat a tow back to port X_X
    And whilst I'm at it bump uglies what a disgusting turn of phrase that is
    Am I correct in thinking that you are ok with the scene on the ferris wheel in TLD featuring you alter ego (and my favourite bond girl ).
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,263
    The kills in LTK are mostly rubbish, with the exception of the last one. For a film that aims to show the dark side of Bond, the kills are cartoonish in their implementation. If they carried weight or heft like those in CR for instance, I think it would be much more true to character.

    That's just one thing (I've buried LTK in a few other threads here). Despite that, the things LTK does well are enjoyable.
  • Personally, I think Joe Butcher is hilarious. Particularly when Pam takes back the money whilst he's running for his life, that always had me laughing.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited August 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Everything with Silva in it :))

    No, seriously. SF suffered from little that should go. The two main things certainly are the obviously badly done CGI in various places and especially the stupid flashlight incident.

    In all 24 movies you'll find something that could go. But in the classic era (up to LTK) I don't really want to miss out of them.

    The Beach song in AVTAK? The double take Pigeon? The obvious back projection in GF? The sped up sequence in TB?

    For me they belong to those movies.

    GE to SP is another matter. When CGI became popular and wasn't too expensive anymore, filmmakers became lazy.

    DAD is testament to that. The CGI tsunami surf scene? That's certainly the low point in the whole franchise. Not to say the only real low point.

    Sure, the Komodo Dragons are CGI but at least, even when everybody knows it's fake, looks real enough.

    As for singular characters being cut out of a movie like Professor Joe Butcher that's utter nonsense. They belong to the film, and yes some may dislike this or that character but that's no reason to omit a character entirely, no, not even horrendous Silva :))
  • Oh and the pineapple tourists. What was the point of that?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited August 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Film 1:
    License To Kill 1989
    Timothy Dalton's Last Film

    License to Kill is among one of the most underrated bond film and one of the best film by bond fans, this film was 1st to be rated PG-13 in the whole series, this film tries to be hard to be greety and brutal, but somehow fails, some scenes where somehow out of place for Timothy Dalton and the Movie, it do has an interesting plot but some scenes were really out of place, what are the scenes that shouldn't make it?

    I love LTK. If anything I would add in more scenes. Bond in the hotel room, extended shark scene. I would make it more brutal. As for Talisa Soto, she is the sexiest Bond girl in the entire series, so I won't criticise her in anyway either. The fact that the producers were scared of the PG-13 (15 in the UK) is the reason the film isn't as effective as it could be. My only criticism is that I would smarten up Bond a tad.....he's a bit too casual in this outing (he also requires a nice rental car)!
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