The SPECTRE vs Skyfall battle! (simple question)

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  • Posts: 2,491
    Well its all a matter of perspective.

    I prefer SP to SF.

    I prefer MR and DAF to FYEO and LTK.

    Different strokes for different folks. :)


    That's why I love this thread (and overall this forum) Everyone has different opinion which the majority may not agree with.

    For example I really really like DAF and AVTAK, and TWINE is sometimes my #1 movie, and yet I don't like TB, FRWL and TSWLM.
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    Can anyone please answer this abut Skyfall. How in the world did Silva plan his 'captured then escape' to time exactly with the date of M's hearing?

    Why did he think MI6's resident computer expert would plug his laptop into their own system?

    Well...SPECTRE says he's their agent so..someone from SPECTRE helped him plan everything while he was in jail. Basically they had a plan prepared in case Silva ended up in jail and as soon as he went to jail Spectre started their plan "Ok he's in jail, everyone in position for when he'll escape sooner or later!" and...voila :D :D

    If you don't like the SPectre theory then....well let's say he had his own people that made the plan and...well same as above :)

    And as for the computer question..I am far from computer expert so I'll leave that to someone else :D
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Can anyone please answer this abut Skyfall. How in the world did Silva plan his 'captured then escape' to time exactly with the date of M's hearing?

    Why did he think MI6's resident computer expert would plug his laptop into their own system?

    I don't think he did. He had men working for him obviously that got shot in the gun fight but I think that was all chance. He just wanted a way to get near M ...he was suicidal anyway so I'm sure no escape plan.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Couldn't Silva could've had a mole within MI6.
  • dragonsky wrote: »

    Well...SPECTRE says he's their agent so..someone from SPECTRE helped him plan everything while he was in jail. Basically they had a plan prepared in case Silva ended up in jail and as soon as he went to jail Spectre started their plan "Ok he's in jail, everyone in position for when he'll escape sooner or later!" and...voila :D :D

    If you don't like the SPectre theory then....well let's say he had his own people that made the plan and...well same as above :)

    And as for the computer question..I am far from computer expert so I'll leave that to someone else :D

    Even if I accept the Spectre Retcon bullshit, it still doesn't make sense. Silva knew exactly where he was going when he escaped.

    How did he time his capture and escape precisely with M's hearing?


  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    dragonsky wrote: »

    Well...SPECTRE says he's their agent so..someone from SPECTRE helped him plan everything while he was in jail. Basically they had a plan prepared in case Silva ended up in jail and as soon as he went to jail Spectre started their plan "Ok he's in jail, everyone in position for when he'll escape sooner or later!" and...voila :D :D

    If you don't like the SPectre theory then....well let's say he had his own people that made the plan and...well same as above :)

    And as for the computer question..I am far from computer expert so I'll leave that to someone else :D

    Even if I accept the Spectre Retcon bullshit, it still doesn't make sense. Silva knew exactly where he was going when he escaped.

    How did he time his capture and escape precisely with M's hearing?


    Well just like when he blew up the office in the beginning, he knew her schedule and when and where she'd be. One can assume that he knew she'd be there.
  • Ok I sense some wilful obtuseness going on here. Let's get this straight. He knew that Bond would brazenly travel to his Island, he knew that Bond had a tracker thing so he would be captured, and he knew that Q would release him, all of which have to be perfectly timed to coincide his release with M's hearing.
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    I don't think he knew, rather it all just coincided and Silva adapted his plan. All the better for him to get escorted straight to London. He must have prepared for any contigency. Everything was working in his favor until Bond arrived at the hearing.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Gettler wrote: »
    I don't think he knew, rather it all just coincided and Silva adapted his plan. All the better for him to get escorted straight to London. He must have prepared for any contigency. Everything was working in his favor until Bond arrived at the hearing.

    I agree
  • It's not even close. Sky fall is twice the picture that Spectre is.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Both are Great.
  • I vote for Spectre as the better film
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Spectre is better. It's actually full-on-Bond, for a change.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.
  • RC7RC7
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    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    RC7 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.

    True. Let's see what the rankings say...70 MI6C ranks since Spectre

    6th SF 1143
    9th SP 1067
    (24 points for a 1st ranking)

    Reasonably close.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    w2bond wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.

    True. Let's see what the rankings say...70 MI6C ranks since Spectre

    6th SF 1143
    9th SP 1067
    (24 points for a 1st ranking)

    Reasonably close.

    Well, I have only been back 3 days, so my impression of which movie is more liked is not representative of course. Maybe Birdleson influenced my perception :))

    That ranking result wonderfully reflects the box office result as well.
    Spectre came close to Skyfall, but no cigar. :))
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    w2bond wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.

    True. Let's see what the rankings say...70 MI6C ranks since Spectre

    6th SF 1143
    9th SP 1067
    (24 points for a 1st ranking)

    Reasonably close.

    Well, I have only been back 3 days, so my impression of which movie is more liked is not representative of course. Maybe Birdleson influenced my perception :))

    That ranking result wonderfully reflects the box office result as well.
    Spectre came close to Skyfall, but no cigar. :))

    @BondJasonBond006
    Sorry I misread your post. You meant you thought Skyfall would be more liked which is true

  • Wait, the majority of forum voters think SP is a better film? Really?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    The poll was started when SPECTRE was fresh. Many have turned since.
    Agreed. It has turned a little, as expected, as can be seen from the other thread.
    Wait, the majority of forum voters think SP is a better film? Really?
    This is a Bond forum after all, and SP is the latest and " "..... (I'm not saying it).
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    RC7 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.

    More vocal indeed. A few members have posted thousands of posts trashing the film so relentlessly that most of those who liked the film, just stopped reading and posting on the SP threads because they were so one sided It was a waste of time. Now some of the same SP haters are going after Craig and want him dumped. Beware of what you wish for.

  • 1. SF - it had a strong story, logically developed & well told
    2. SP - after a breathtaking opening sequence that promised so much, it descended into a muddled story with too many illogicalities - the result of too many screenwriters? - & failed to live up to its pre-release hype. A hugely disappointing follow-up to SF.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Spectre is better. It's actually full-on-Bond, for a change.

    Can't disagree with that. Spectre is the Bond that I wanted from Craig when he was cast.
  • RC7RC7
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    smitty wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Updated score (20th Dec):

    Skyfall__: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 25
    SPECTRE: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 41

    If I calculated correctly it is 26 to 43 now.

    Anyway, I'm surprised. Reading the threads I got the impression it would be the other way around.

    Really? Wow that's not what the general sentiment is on the forum.

    Perhaps those who dislike it are just more vocal.

    More vocal indeed. A few members have posted thousands of posts trashing the film so relentlessly that most of those who liked the film, just stopped reading and posting on the SP threads because they were so one sided It was a waste of time. Now some of the same SP haters are going after Craig and want him dumped. Beware of what you wish for.

    I think that's quite true. Offering up positives seemed a fruitless exercise to me.
  • If this "vocal" stuff is directed at detractors like me, I've been very vocal about offering up positives in SP as well.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    If this "vocal" stuff is directed at detractors like me, I've been very vocal about offering up positives in SP as well.

    @ThighsOfXenia, I'm quite familiar with the usual suspects in question, and you don't pop up in my mind as one of them.
  • @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Well I have written quite a bit about my problems with it, but I think mostly that was because I had such high hopes. But I also tried to spend a lot of time saying "hey this was awesome" as well. Because it isn't like I hate the movie - not by a long shot.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 3,160
    Wait, the majority of forum voters think SP is a better film? Really?
    Not necessarily "better", just favorite. Personally I couldn't stand a third rewatch of SF, whereas I have already seen SP eight times. So yes... SP has to be better. For me!
    TripAces wrote: »
    The rest of the world knows SF is by far the better film.
    Oh oh. This thread has been hijacked by the "SF is the best thing since sliced bread, and anyone who says otherwise must be an idiot"-crowd, it seems!

    Have you heard the expression "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?
  • Zekidk wrote: »
    Wait, the majority of forum voters think SP is a better film? Really?
    Not necessarily "better", just favorite. Personally I couldn't stand a third rewatch of SF, whereas I have already seen SP eight times. So yes... SP has to be better. For me!
    TripAces wrote: »
    The rest of the world knows SF is by far the better film.
    Oh oh. This thread has been hijacked by the "SF is the best thing since sliced bread, and anyone who says otherwise must be an idiot"-crowd, it seems!

    Have you heard the expression "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?

    I have, and I consider it errant nonsense.

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