Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited November 2015 Posts: 9,730
    personally I want a mixture in terms of tone I would focus on Rogue nation which was a gripping thriller with some light moments. Ironically Craig's era has run the gama from Dark and Gritty to light and Action adventure. Personally I would like to see more Rogue Nation and less Kingsman from 007.

    I would still love Fleming Character and titles.

    If I am comparing it to Previous film or era


    Casino Royale For Your Eyes Only The living Daylights and Thunderball I think have a good balance and that is where I would want to go not too dark and realistic (like in my opinion LTK OHMSS and Quantum Of Solace though I love those three films) and not too light hearted and comedic (Moonraker Die Another Day etc)

    I feel Spectre should be wrapped up in Craig's tenure (so if he is back for one more film then in Bond 25 in two well you get the idea)
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Didn't you think Run All Night was a bit too similar to the plot of Road to Perdition, @Getafix?

    Saw Road to Perdition years ago so cannot remember. I remember being underwhelmed by it, whereas Run All Night exceeded my low expectations.
  • I'd like to see a group of films of Bond in the later part of his career. Semi-retired and teaching (i.e. Never Say Never). It would put Bond and the series in uncharted and fresh waters. Also would open up the opportunity for an older actor to tackle the roll. Perhaps Clive Owen finally? Would be a nice touch after Craig retires.
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    LOL, if you suggest that, DC could stay in the role and with that, we would, at least, be sure of having a good actor in the role.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I want Blofeld to go out with Craig. They don't need to reboot, and they can keep Spectre going with other members, but let's throw out the brother with the bath water.
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    My hope is we won't know for another two films like I said let Craig get is Ohmss/yolt (novels) and his Man with the golden gun (again novel)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    jbtwine84 wrote: »
    I'd like to see a group of films of Bond in the later part of his career. Semi-retired and teaching (i.e. Never Say Never). It would put Bond and the series in uncharted and fresh waters. Also would open up the opportunity for an older actor to tackle the roll. Perhaps Clive Owen finally? Would be a nice touch after Craig retires.

    No.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    My hope is we won't know for another two films like I said let Craig get is Ohmss/yolt (novels) and his Man with the golden gun (again novel)

    If they actually filmed the novels as written I'm all for it. Just imagine Craig's ruthless Bond attempting to murder Ralph Fienes a la TMWTGG. Wow, just how brutally awesome would that be?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Good call.
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 5,745
    I think we can get a Bond vs M. without going the hypnosis way of the novel.

    Think about it -- Mallory shows up and MI6 gets blown up, M. is killed, Nine Eyes is developed and takes over MI6 wihtout much of a fight from Mallory, and he was the one to tie up the loose end of C.

    Bond 25 - Blofeld conveniently escapes and that's the final straw for Bond. Something fishy is up.

    Couldn't you easily see Bond still not trusting this man? So Bond 25 is Bond suspicious of Mallory, getting perhaps Q. and Moneypenny on his side, and then it goes way too far and Bond gets way too involved/obsessed with the matter, going after Mallory while hunting down Blofeld. Bond sets up his own base of operations in the meeting place from SPECTRE, call the film The Hildebrand Rarity.

    I'm very surprised at how well that works.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    It's interesting and I'd be more supportive of it if EoN hadn't milked the whole MI6 traitor business to the point where the tit is now ridiculously dry.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I'm all for your idea @JWESTBROOK. It would be a nice way for Fiennes to leave us, and Craig will get to do his brooding Bond, which is what he does better than any other actor in my view.

    Despite other's views to the contrary, if Craig is doing one more, I want that dark Bond that he gave us so convincingly in CR/QoS back. That, in my view, will be the sendoff that he deserves.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm all for your idea @JWESTBROOK. It would be a nice way for Fiennes to leave us, and Craig will get to do his brooding Bond, which is what he does better than any other actor in my view.

    Despite other's views to the contrary, if Craig is doing one more, I want that dark Bond that he gave us so convincingly in CR/QoS back. That, in my view, will be the sendoff that he deserves.

    Yea, and again; I'm not saying Fiennes is actually a traitor, it's just Bond and the audience will be convinced and they can somehow have Mallory prove his worth. Hopefully the complete opposite of the C. storyline in SPECTRE, where you knew the whole time he was bad.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    So you're suggesting a double twist of sorts? It can work, but they'll need some great writers to make it plausible. The risk is we'll hear allegations from some that Bond is useless for much of the film again, as was leveled in SF (getting M killed etc.).
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2016 Posts: 15,686
    @bondjames you hit the nail on the head a few posts back :
    bondjames wrote: »
    Scale it back. Go thriller. Go mission only. Go small.

    Slash the budget at least in half.

    Focus on character interactions. Dialogue.

    Put the next director in a room and force him to watch FRWL, DN & CR on loop for a few days. Then let him out and get him to work.

    Weird to think that since Moore left the franchise in 1985 (31 years ago), only 1 film was a straight-forward mission with no personal angle for Bond or mi6 (TLD).

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Thanks @DaltonCraig007.

    I'm currently in the process of trying to get some of the Hitchcock films that I don't own yet on blu (Dial M For Murder, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Rope etc.). I'd love to see more Hitchcock style tension in a Bond film. As a master, he knew how to weave this in beautifully. How to let it build and then defuse it. He didn't have all these fancy special effects to fall back on in his day, and yet his films grip us like very few can, even now. Spielberg is another who knows how to do this well.
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 1,631
    @bondjames you hit the nail on the head a few posts back :
    bondjames wrote: »
    Scale it back. Go thriller. Go mission only. Go small.

    Slash the budget at least in half.

    Focus on character interactions. Dialogue.

    Put the next director in a room and force him to watch FRWL, DN & CR on loop for a few days. Then let him out and get him to work.

    Weird to think that since Moore left the franchise in 1985 (31 years ago), only 1 film was a straight-forward mission with no personal angle for Bond or mi6 (TLD).

    I suspect the streak will continue further into the future. We'll surely get a personal angle in Bond 25 if Craig returns. I'd expect it to continue on past that point as well, as I'd imagine that EON probably thinks at this point that it gives them the kind of depth to the films that allows them to chase Oscars and other such awards.

    Eventually, and probably in the not too distant future, we're going to reach a point where this is what the Bond franchise becomes, a franchise that focuses on the personal issues of its protagonists and, sometimes, villains. Once we reach a point where half of the franchise is predicated on this, I wonder if that becomes the true core of the franchise.

  • edited January 2016 Posts: 21
    They could go in a different direction with the next Bond film as it is due to the end of the last one. You could say Connery's era was loosely connected with SPECTRE as a bad organisation up until Goldfinger which a stand alone mission then carried on with Thunderball until DAF. Maybe they will go this way in Bond 25 before going on with any more interconnecting films. When Craig goes it will be down to who ever ends up playing Bond to which direction the series will go as we all know the actors have had some influence on how the films is and feels. I'm not sure weather they will go back to the standard or do another set of interlinked Bond films. It was a good one with the last 4 films connected but I would ideally like to see Bond go on a mission from the start. Like he use to we haven't really had that since The World is Not Enough as DAD had Bond go rogue and he has done loads of times since... which if Bond was Her Majesty's loyal terrier he wouldn't keep doing but it's okay as a one off every now and again as it proves that Bond does want to get the job done and to hell with the consequences but if it keeps happening it becomes a bit of a boring story line in my mind.

    It be nice to see Bond sent on a mission by M and complete it rather than disappearing off the radar again either at the beginning or during the mission.

    I guess there are too many different ways it can go... depends on the actor and director to even who writes the scripts for the next however many Bond films to come. Anything can happen and challenge us fans... All we can do is wait and see.

    Really, it depends how quickly they get the next film out. As so far they 'hope' to do one ever two years they said after Skyfall but that hasn't happened. If it is going to be every 3 years rather than 2 that will really decide when Bond 25 hits the screens and if it stars DC or someone new.... which could me a whole new direction.....
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Bond not trusting Mallory (M)? Please, enough with the trust issues. There have been more than enough of a deficiency in trust in the last few films. I really cannot take anymore.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Yeah I'm sick of hearing the word Trust in Bond films and I don't want Mallory to be a bad guy. I like him as a good guy better.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It sort of goes with the territory these days in this genre. 'Trust' and 'spy'.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    You don t trust EON, do you?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Bond not trusting Mallory (M)? Please, enough with the trust issues. There have been more than enough of a deficiency in trust in the last few films. I really cannot take anymore.

    Seconded. Internal mistrust is played out and done to death. It's not impossible to come up with a competent MI6 who function as a unit, all trying to achieve the same objective.

  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah I'm sick of hearing the word Trust in Bond films and I don't want Mallory to be a bad guy. I like him as a good guy better.
    Agree and Bond already didn't trust Mallory at the beginning of Skyfall so that would be old.

    And the theme of knowing who to trust was brought in Die another day already
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I am personally hoping for another "Blueprint" Bond film after B25. I watched the original mission impossible (1996) last night for the first time in years, and it struck me how this was like a blueprint for all the films that followed. There was enough of all the elements there, that someone new to the series could watch it and get a good grasp of what the movies are like. I think Bond has gotten to convoluted and messy, and after Craig quits they could do with a movie that wipes the slate clean, and just delivers the basics, but does so in an inspired way which feels fresh. They need to makes things as simple as that first Mission Impossible film. No fat, just a really solid script which can be used as a reintroduction to the classic spy caper formula which we have missed.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I hope B26 is a faithful, contemporary adaptation of MR. It's a "younger Bond" story and wouldn't be as expensive if they stayed with UK locations.

    Eon should realize what they did right with CR (hint: use the novel) and do it again with Bond actor #7.
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    echo wrote: »
    I hope B26 is a faithful, contemporary adaptation of MR. It's a "younger Bond" story and wouldn't be as expensive if they stayed with UK locations.

    Eon should realize what they did right with CR (hint: use the novel) and do it again with Bond actor #7.

    I'd love that. I think it's fairly easily doable too, I don't get why (aside from wanting to ape Star Wars) they wrote the story off as outdated in the 70s. Drax's Nazi background could have easily been updated to some other more relevant threat, and they could still do the same today. Change the names they've already used, tweak the story to fit in a modern setting, amp up the action a bit and it'd work great as a new film.

    I've posted on here about this before and an idea I had was to go Homeland with it. New Drax but not called Drax is actually British, he was a soldier who fought in Iraq or Afghanistan, but was captured (could have a Bondless PTS showing his rescue) and secretly brainwashed. I think as long as you keep the whole enemy within angle, it doesn't matter what his specific background is. In the outline I wrote, it wasn't a missile he was developing but a drone fleet which he was going to turn on the UK in a massive nationwide terrorist attack. Although to be fair a nuclear weapon would still be relevant today.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I am personally hoping for another "Blueprint" Bond film after B25. I watched the original mission impossible (1996) last night for the first time in years, and it struck me how this was like a blueprint for all the films that followed. There was enough of all the elements there, that someone new to the series could watch it and get a good grasp of what the movies are like. I think Bond has gotten to convoluted and messy, and after Craig quits they could do with a movie that wipes the slate clean, and just delivers the basics, but does so in an inspired way which feels fresh. They need to makes things as simple as that first Mission Impossible film. No fat, just a really solid script which can be used as a reintroduction to the classic spy caper formula which we have missed.
    The original MI was definitely a film ahead. Prestige director, twisting the narrative of the tv series controversially (Phelps), and the emotional elements front and centre. I recall not liking it so much when it came out (I much preferred GE at the time), but even then I recognized that it was special. These days looking back on it, to me at least, it seems almost like a landmark film in this genre in many ways on account of what they did.

    Regarding Bond - I think it will very much depend on the actor that they cast. The actor's sensibilities, capabilities and limitations inevitably influence the direction and approach. We've had one overwhelming trajectory for the past 12 long years, and I believe they will have to shake it up soon in order to give the audience something fresh. As long as they don't attempt Craig 2.0 without Craig, everything should be fine. That's what the film makers tried with Batman post-Nolan, and at least in my opinion the results have been somewhat disastrous. Affleck and Snyder are no Bale and Nolan. Not even close.

    Apart from the tonal shift, I don't really care what they do, as long as they make good films and lay off the pressure to inject more PC.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    It's coming...

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It's coming...

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    I am all for it.
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