Music in SPECTRE

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  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2015 Posts: 2,252
    But it's not a theme song that Newman himself wrote or co-wrote. Every other time the theme song was integrated the score composer had a hand in the theme song...5 seconds of the theme in DAD and SF don't count.

    The only way is if Mendes and Newman collaborate and Mendes asks for it to be integrated. I feel a collaboration was how Arnold was able to get a good score out of QoS because it is certainly different to his other work
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree @w2bond, but I'm pretty sure EON knows this too...

    It's not an ideal situation any more because the collaboration is not something that is guaranteed. However I think Sam Smith is enough of a Bond fan (and not so much of a diva) that his team would have worked with Newman on incorporation. I'm quite certain of it, since this song has been around since January in some form or another.

    Given that EON and Mendes are trying to make a 'classic' Bond film (imho for Craig's sendoff), I'm sure they have ensured that the 'sound' matches the visuals in a classic sense.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,727
    To make a footballing (soccer) analogy - a player has to be more than just a very good technical exponent of the game, you have footballers who have a fantastic grasp of the technical side of the game - passing, shooting, dribbling, etc. but unless they posses a creative edge and a certain audacious flair they will not use that talent to produce the kind of magic that elevates them above their peers.

    The same can be said of a great painter - being technically perfect with a brush does not mean you can produce a Van Gogh. A more ethereal, un-quantifiable creativity is needed.

    A great James Bond composer is similar - he must posses a flair for the fanciful, aside from just the ability to produce music of high quality.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    100% agree @AceHole. Barry set that bar so darn high that it's impossible to meet (almost).

    I've always thought Jerry Goldsmith was another genius. I can always tell when I watch a film with one of his scores, and they are all classics too.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    @bondjames
    Let's hope so. It's one of the few missing pieces missing from the current era (GB at the beginning is the other big one). Skyfall had a certain attention to detail to it, many scenes remind me of the classic Bonds, but the product as a whole didn't gel well together for me.

    From the trailers at least it looks like Spectre will have a good mix of both drama and action.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    For me - Serra didn't really do much more than play the Bond theme with Timpani drums (admittedly pretty inspired). Obviously his style represents a change for Bond music, but it was little more than reheated 90's Luc Besson score. A lot of the music felt sorely inappropriate (both the Casino and Ferarri scenes come to mind). I feel they were right to replace him!

    Arnold did exactly what the audience then craved after Serra (Bond - just bigger, brassier - everything including the kitchen sink). Sadly this lack of restraint and aural variety meant he had nowhere left to go - so his scores are all have a "samey" and "noisy" quality about them.

    Newman on the otherhand does show some restraint, but perhaps a bit too much. He never seems comfortable incorporating themes which were not his own (eg. Adele's Skyfall and the Bond theme). The music fits in the film but doesn't stand as well on it's own. I'll give him a free pass for Spectre, but I think there are better potential Bond composers out there. I'm particularly liking the idea of Daniel Pemberton - I hear his score for the new Steve Jobs movie is extremely good.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited October 2015 Posts: 3,157
    w2bond wrote: »
    But it's not a theme song that Newman himself wrote or co-wrote. Every other time the theme song was integrated the score composer had a hand in the theme song...5 seconds of the theme in DAD and SF don't count.

    The only way is if Mendes and Newman collaborate and Mendes asks for it to be integrated. I feel a collaboration was how Arnold was able to get a good score out of QoS because it is certainly different to his other work
    Another Way To Die (albeit in a single track) was included in QoS' score also.
    Satorious wrote: »
    For me - Serra didn't really do much more than play the Bond theme with Timpani drums (admittedly pretty inspired). Obviously his style represents a change for Bond music, but it was little more than reheated 90's Luc Besson score. A lot of the music felt sorely inappropriate (both the Casino and Ferarri scenes come to mind). I feel they were right to replace him!

    Arnold did exactly what the audience then craved after Serra (Bond - just bigger, brassier - everything including the kitchen sink). Sadly this lack of restraint and aural variety meant he had nowhere left to go - so his scores are all have a "samey" and "noisy" quality about them.

    Newman on the otherhand does show some restraint, but perhaps a bit too much. He never seems comfortable incorporating themes which were not his own (eg. Adele's Skyfall and the Bond theme). The music fits in the film but doesn't stand as well on it's own. I'll give him a free pass for Spectre, but I think there are better potential Bond composers out there. I'm particularly liking the idea of Daniel Pemberton - I hear his score for the new Steve Jobs movie is extremely good.

    Funny that you mentioned Daniel Pemberton: I was watching BBC's The Game today and thought that the score was pretty good and would be cool to hear something like that in a Bond movie.
  • Posts: 3,164
    Massive news: Classic FM will air the score (unknown how much of it through) tomorrow 10:30am
    http://www.classicfm.com/composers/newman/news/james-bond-spectre-soundtrack/
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Massive news: Classic FM will air the score (unknown how much of it through) tomorrow 10:30am
    http://www.classicfm.com/composers/newman/news/james-bond-spectre-soundtrack/

    Heavy breathing.........

    Can't wait.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    Great find @antovolk, thanks for sharing. Hopefully someone will be able to capture the online stream. Something to look forward to tomorrow!
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 5,767
    Made me think, how this strange, fascist people from Laibach would have performed "Writing's on the Wall"... After all, they really included some renditions for "Ound of Music" in their show at North Korea... I suppose, they would have got slightly differents reviews than poor Sam Smith...
    ;) :)) =))
    And, no, I would not buy or listen to the music of Laibach... BTW, Laibach was the German name for Ljubljana, now the capital of Slovenia. Which might give one a hint about their political attitude...
    A while ago a bunch of neo nazis with the same logic as yourself showed up at a Laibach show. The frontman told them to sod off, and wouldn t go on with the show with them in the audience. The nazis had to leave.
    Laibach is a purely art-oriented collective of people with a knack for using political imagery. If you check their 80s and 90s albums, you´ll find that they use political imagery and slogans from all kinds of countries and doctrines.

    Laibach have a long record of cover versions of pop and rock hit songs, among others they made a whole album with eight or so different cover versions of The Stones´ Sympathy for the Devil, which is quite a treat in fact, as is their cover version of The Beatles´ Let it be album.

    Rammstein owe their success very much to Laibach. The whole way of using a Teutonian-sounding bass voice comes from Laibach. The method of provocation was a bit altered though by Rammstein, going in a less political and more sociological direction.






    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree on your view of Arnold @AceHole.

    I disagree on Serra however. I think he did modernize the Bond sound to some extent brilliantly (particularly on the Goldeneye Overture) but went overboard in other areas. A little more restraint (and orchestration) could have resulted in a excellent score. That film's budget was very tight, so I wonder if, like SF, that resulted in less orchestral budget as well.

    RE: Newman - the jury is still out. I think all doubters are going to be pleasantly surprised with SP since he now has the budget (which he did not have with SF) for orchestra, and he has had a song on the table since January. This score will be impressive and will draw on that opening 15s from WOTW in spades (I 100% guarantee it........that is why that 15s clip was initially released imho.....to sear that orchestration into the public's mind).
    Serra´s score was heavily influenced by his very successful score for Leon - The Professional. You could almost think that some tracks on GE were outtakes from Serra´s Leon sessions. So perhaps Eon considered both the success of Leon and the money to be saved by going all synth.

    However, I don´t see how a bigger orchestra is supposed to give Newman a break. Bigger orchestras tend to be used too much, resulting in an over-stuffed soundtrack. In fact, smaller orchestra sections sound rougher and edgier, and provide for a much more breathing sound. Of course, the same can be achieved with a bigger orchestra, but unfortunately the results mostly betray the potential, unless the composer or arranger knows some old secrets from the 50s or 60s. SF´s musical highlights were mostly smaller arrangements.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    A while ago a bunch of neo nazis with the same logic as yourself showed up at a Laibach show. The frontman told them to sod off, and wouldn t go on with the show with them in the audience. The nazis had to leave.

    You got me wrong, neither do I have a Nazi attitude (I actually hate those nazi scumbags), nor do I like or listen Laibach. Maybe close reading might help next time. It was just, that I found John Oliver's take on them amusing. And he certainly does not like them. That's all.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,261
    Eric Serra's score for GE is alright, but "Ladies first" is horrible, and the producers and/or Martin Campbell did not like his score for the tank drive through St. Petersburg, otherwise they would not have it replaced by the John Altman (the orchestrator's) score for that scene. And I remember, that Serra was angry and furious, because he believed, that the volume of the music throughout the movie was played not loud enough. And probably after that, he was not offered to score TND. With "The Experience of Love" he actually used the instrumental version in the closing scene of THE PROFESSIONAL. His Bond theme is quite unusual, but I actually liked it. And as Boldfinger already said, some other pieces of the GE score sound almost exactly as Serra's PROFESSIONAL score.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Massive news: Classic FM will air the score (unknown how much of it through) tomorrow 10:30am
    http://www.classicfm.com/composers/newman/news/james-bond-spectre-soundtrack/

    Heavy breathing.........

    Can't wait.

    Great find indeed! Maybe somebody can actually put this on here, as many eople like myself can't listen to ClassicFM...

  • Posts: 5,767
    A while ago a bunch of neo nazis with the same logic as yourself showed up at a Laibach show. The frontman told them to sod off, and wouldn t go on with the show with them in the audience. The nazis had to leave.

    You got me wrong, neither do I have a Nazi attitude (I actually hate those nazi scumbags), nor do I like or listen Laibach. Maybe close reading might help next time. It was just, that I found John Oliver's take on them amusing. And he certainly does not like them. That's all.
    I think what @Thunderfinger was referring to was your assumption that Laibach are fascists, when in fact they are strictly devoted to art, their use of political slogans and images notwithstanding.

  • Posts: 3,164
    Soundtrack track list from Amazon
    1. Los Muertos Vivos Estan (featuring Tambuco)
    2. Vauxhall Bridge
    3. The Eternal City
    4. Donna Lucia
    5. A Place Without Mercy
    6. Backfire
    7. Crows Klinik
    8. The Pale King
    9. Madeleine
    10. Kite In A Hurricane
    11. Snow Plane
    12. L'Americain
    13. Secret Room
    14. Hinx
    15. Writing's On The Wall (Instrumental)
    16. Silver Wraith
    17. A Reunion
    18. Day Of The Dead (featuring Tambuco)
    19. Tempus Fugit
    20. Safe House
    21. Blindfold
    22. Careless
    23. Detonation
    24. Westminster Bridge
    25. Out Of Bullets
    26. Spectre (End Title)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I hope we get something like this.
  • RC7RC7
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    Is this the thread in which we discuss the Soundtrack?

    I can see the whole thing being spread across about 5 or 6 different threads otherwise.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Suchet is really hyping the soubdtrack. Hope it's awesome. In fact I'm praying it is.
  • Posts: 3,164
    So Classic FM just uploaded a clip from "Donna Lucia"!
    https://audioboom.com/boos/3693007-spectre-soundtrack-clip-donna-lucia
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    antovolk wrote: »
    So Classic FM just uploaded a clip from "Donna Lucia"!
    https://audioboom.com/boos/3693007-spectre-soundtrack-clip-donna-lucia

    Classy.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
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    Anyone else listening in to Classic FM? Any minute now.....:D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    antovolk wrote: »
    So Classic FM just uploaded a clip from "Donna Lucia"!
    https://audioboom.com/boos/3693007-spectre-soundtrack-clip-donna-lucia

    Now that's what I've been waiting for! I liked it. It's a lot like Severine's theme but a little grander and more lush. I can't wait to hear this in the film. :-bd
  • Posts: 3,164
    Here it is on YouTube:
  • RC7RC7
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    We've now got about 4/5 threads discussing the same thing.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited October 2015 Posts: 4,311
    There is a new SPECTRE track from Thomas Newman to listen to on the classic fm website, called Donna Lucia.

    It's typical Newman, the theme is almost a Barry-esque waltz, but it is hidden behind variations in a minor key. No celebratory major keys, more a tragic love theme.

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Here we go...
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
    Posts: 1,208
    I LOVE IT !!! IT"S DIFFERENT
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    "Bold and big with hints of music from previous Bond films..." Like the sound of that
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,311
    antovolk wrote: »
    Soundtrack track list from Amazon
    1. Los Muertos Vivos Estan (featuring Tambuco)
    2. Vauxhall Bridge
    3. The Eternal City
    4. Donna Lucia
    5. A Place Without Mercy
    6. Backfire
    7. Crows Klinik
    8. The Pale King
    9. Madeleine
    10. Kite In A Hurricane
    11. Snow Plane
    12. L'Americain
    13. Secret Room
    14. Hinx
    15. Writing's On The Wall (Instrumental)
    16. Silver Wraith
    17. A Reunion
    18. Day Of The Dead (featuring Tambuco)
    19. Tempus Fugit
    20. Safe House
    21. Blindfold
    22. Careless
    23. Detonation
    24. Westminster Bridge
    25. Out Of Bullets
    26. Spectre (End Title)

    Shouldn't this be spoiler-tagged? It gives away plot details.
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