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Who's Going To See Bond in 4K in the Cinema?

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  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    And the annoying thing is that dub could have been fixed as there is film of Bernard Lee actually saying MI6 in an original featurette made at the time. Shame they didn't fix that. Generally don't like films being messed with but I could put up with that!
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    edited June 2015 Posts: 553
    Lancaster007 wrote: »
    And the annoying thing is that dub could have been fixed as there is film of Bernard Lee actually saying MI6 in an original featurette made at the time. Shame they didn't fix that. Generally don't like films being messed with but I could put up with that!

    Agree on the edit - I don't mind mistakes being altered, but if you can't do it right, then don't do it. We all know he said MI7, and we've had decades to accept it.

  • sunsanvilsunsanvil Somewhere in Canada....somewhere.
    edited June 2015 Posts: 260
    At the risk of sounding anal, for the record, while the old film sources can (and have been) scanned in at 4k, Skyfall will NEVER be 4K/UHD as it was shot 2k/1080.
  • OnlyManWhoCanOnlyManWhoCan Greater London
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    I saw Dr No and Goldfinger yesterday at the Vue in Westfield near Shepherds Bush. The films looked and sounded great, although the start of both of them were marred by the house lights not going down until I went out and found someone.

    I think this proves you need projector operators, not machines in cinemas!

    (Also somebody fell asleep during the final act of Dr No and snored really loudly! It was more funny than annoying though. If he had continued through into Goldfinger I might have given him a little nudge!)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2015 Posts: 13,894
    I will be taking a speargun with me, and should I hear any snoring during The Living Daylights or Licence To Kill, I shall use it.

    In today's news, a body was found pinned to a toilet door, by a bold fired from a speargun, in the Vue Cinema, Swansea. The suspect, who was seen fleeing the scene dressed in a wetsuit, was heard saying "Compliments of Sharkey".

    ;)
  • sunsanvilsunsanvil Somewhere in Canada....somewhere.
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    OnlyManWhoCan wrote: »
    I think this proves you need projector operators, not machines in cinemas!

    Indeed. Cinema showmanship is dead.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited June 2015 Posts: 15,690
    @MajorDSmythe If I don't hear you cheering and clapping during Dalton's badass moments, I'll aim that speargun of yours in your direction. ;)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    There will be cheering and clapping from me. :D
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    If only OHMSS was in there I'd be going, seen both the Dalton's when they were released

    The only one I'd really be interested in seeing on the big screen although I did see it in a double bill with DAF when I was around 6 or 7.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    I will be taking a speargun with me, and should I hear any snoring during The Living Daylights or Licence To Kill, I shall use it.

    In today's news, a body was found pinned to a toilet door, by a bold fired from a speargun, in the Vue Cinema, Swansea. The suspect, who was seen fleeing the scene dressed in a wetsuit, was heard saying "Compliments of Sharkey".

    ;)

    That got me =))
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    OnlyManWhoCan wrote: »
    I saw Dr No and Goldfinger yesterday at the Vue in Westfield near Shepherds Bush. The films looked and sounded great, although the start of both of them were marred by the house lights not going down until I went out and found someone.

    I think this proves you need projector operators, not machines in cinemas!

    Our presentation was quite good, although we had similar problem with the lights, okay during Dr No but didn't get them turned down till about 20mins into Goldfinger. Nice to see the SPECTRE teaser on the big(ish) screen. Oh for a screen the size the old Screen One in The Drake used to be…
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Bloody typical my local cinema do the double bills I'm not interested but the one I am OHMSS is only in selected Vue Cinema's 4 or 5 and they all mostly down south, Leeds Vue obviously would rather 2 sub standard Brosnan efforts than the gold standard of the series.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Who knows, it these double-bills are successful enough, they could mix and match films.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    They are interested in making money....I know so many people who've not even heard of OHMSS, and wouldn't consider going to see it, but would likely want to see Goldeneye again. It pains me, as I'd love to see Majesty's projected, but I can see why it isn't. In an ideal World is want to see it with Casino Royale, but that wouldn't happen.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Bloody typical my local cinema do the double bills I'm not interested but the one I am OHMSS is only in selected Vue Cinema's 4 or 5 and they all mostly down south, Leeds Vue obviously would rather 2 sub standard Brosnan efforts than the gold standard of the series.

    The cinemas don't choose what to show. There are a series of double-bills and that is all they can show, this weekend it's LALD and TSWLM, then the two Dalton's, week after GE and TWINE and lastly Casino Royale and Skyfall.
  • Alan007Alan007
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    Just emailed movie house (northern ireland) to see if they'll show some old bond films. Dont know why the wouldn't they've shown a triple bill when the last avengers film came out and are also advertising terminator triple bill.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    Yeah just saw that Majesty's is on at 4 or 5 Vue cinemas - none of them anywhere near me
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Thepastykid wrote: »
    Yeah just saw that Majesty's is on at 4 or 5 Vue cinemas - none of them anywhere near me

    I feel your pain, I remember when they did the Jaws reissue a few years back and they were all set to show that at selected screens but there was a back lash and it got more of roll out, I can't see that happening here though, I've voiced my disapproval on the Vue web site.

  • timmertimmer
    edited June 2015 Posts: 4,622
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Who knows, it these double-bills are successful enough, they could mix and match films.
    I am really hoping thay can get the 73-89 films, all of them on 4k.
    Does anyone know if this is being done.
    At the recent Tiff Bond festival I attended 2012-13 they showed all 23 movies, but only first 7 had the polished to perfection treatment.
    LALD to LTK showings were all grainier prints, that really were only good.
    I didn't check out out anything 1995 onward as I only had so much time, so I made the older films priority, up to LTK.
    I assume the Broz and Craig prints would be nice and sharp. Those movies are not old.
    However the LTK print we got was a little grainy for my liking. Didn't like any of the Rog or Dalts prints actually, but the 1-7 showings were spectacular.

  • AnonAnon
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    sunsanvil wrote: »
    At the risk of sounding anal, for the record, while the old film sources can (and have been) scanned in at 4k, Skyfall will NEVER be 4K/UHD as it was shot 2k/1080.

    WikiP says shot on Arri Alexa (2880x2160 sensor) - would the master footage not be 4k resolution in the vertical and '3k' resolution (anamorphic) in the horizontal? If so this would make a pretty good 4k 'print' - certainly better than upscaled 1080p.

    Or did they really never capture anything above 1920x1080?


  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    "Spy" in 4k looked fantastic, especially the Egypt set sequences.
  • timmertimmer
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    Mallory wrote: »
    "Spy" in 4k looked fantastic, especially the Egypt set sequences.
    Great news! So the post-71 films have been shined up too.
    Good to know.
    Hope some of them come around soon.
  • sunsanvilsunsanvil Somewhere in Canada....somewhere.
    edited June 2015 Posts: 260
    Anon wrote: »
    WikiP says shot on Arri Alexa (2880x2160 sensor) - would the master footage not be 4k resolution in the vertical and '3k' resolution (anamorphic) in the horizontal? If so this would make a pretty good 4k 'print' - certainly better than upscaled 1080p.

    Or did they really never capture anything above 1920x1080?

    IIRC the Ari footage was cropped to 1:78:1 (2880x1620). If they shot raw then thats the best they'd have had to work with, but in any event distro was 1920x1080. I doubt they can reissue any better than that without completely redoing the post (disclaimer: speculation on my part).

    Despite grumblings over UHD, fact is we need 8K and we need it NOW, but not for anything to do with consumer CE. The production side needs to start working in it so that in 10, 20, or 50 years we're not looking back at stuff like Skyfall and lamenting how it doesn't stand up to Bonds shot on film years or even decades earlier. Moreover we have lost IMAX 70mm/15perf and even 8K is not enough to replace it. But I digress...
  • SharkySharky
    edited June 2015 Posts: 266
    Saw the LALD and TSWLM double bill at Norwich yesterday, for anyone else who saw them how amazing did the ski jump at the beginning of TSWLM look! Both films looked good but TSWLM looked marvellous.
    Looking forward to the Dalton double now.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    Halfway through the Dalton double. The 80s films do pay the price for cheaper, lower quality film stock than the 60s, but it's years since I enjoyed TLD that much!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Thepastykid wrote: »
    Halfway through the Dalton double. The 80s films do pay the price for cheaper, lower quality film stock than the 60s, but it's years since I enjoyed TLD that much!

    I didn't notice any improvement with TLD/LTK, still enjoyed the experience, though.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    Me too. They didn't get the full Lowry treatment to be fair. LTK looked better, but that may be locations and associated lighting as much as anything
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    Just back from the Dalton Double. Enjoyed them massively, but the soft shots and rear projection stood out even more. To think they were still used in the late 1980s...
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    Did you notice there was still sped up footage in TLD PTS
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    No, but I did notice a gaffe in LTK, that I didn't see before. During the drug exchange, the periscope of the Sentinel is damaged, then we see it next and it's ok, then we see Bond stabbing it with his knife and it's destroyed again. I never picked up on that one before.
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