Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR - Rock and seductive
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF (I consider Severine the main Bond Girl. Why? She led Bond to Silva. Vesper is brillant, but Severine is the sexy and dangerous good ol Bond girl)
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: CR
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF -
    *Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR

    CR :7- SF:8 . This exercise is all wrong because I have CR as my favorite Bond film, while SF is currently at 4 behind FRWL and GF. :P
  • Someone keeping tab of the scores?
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 5,745
    Since this is by the elements, I'll go by which film objectively achieved the classic Bond elements better, then by which I prefer.

    PTS: CR, prefer CR
    Title Track: SF, prefer SF
    Title Credits: SF, prefer CR
    Main Villain: SF, prefer SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF, prefer CR
    Overall Plot: CR, prefer CR
    Dialogue: SF, prefer SF
    Score: SF, prefer CR
    Settings: SF, prefer SF
    Action: SF, prefer CR
    Humor: SF, prefer SF
    Cinematography: SF, prefer SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF, prefer SF
    Suspense: CR, prefer CR
    Minor Characters: CR, prefer CR

    Achieved elements best- CR: 4, SF: 11
    Preferred- CR: 8, SF: 7.

    I only preferred the less-traditional elements of CR 4-to-15.
    This test is extremely accurate; I do take CR just barely over SF.
  • Posts: 1,817
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: CR
    Settings: SF
    Action: CR
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    *Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR

    That's way CR is my 2nd favorite and SF my 4th.
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 5,745
    Just did a tally up to my results ^^ (I included my traditional tally, not my preferred):

    The results are:
    PTS: CR 12, SF 3
    Title Track: CR 6, SF 9
    Title Credits: CR 12, SF 3
    Main Villain: CR 1, SF 14
    Main Bond Girl: CR 10, SF 5
    Overall Plot: CR 13, SF 2
    Dialogue: CR 6, SF 9
    Score: CR 7, SF 8
    Settings: CR 5, SF 10
    Action: CR 11, SF 4
    Humor: CR 0, SF 15
    Cinematography: CR 0, SF 15
    Benign Bizarre: CR 0, SF 15
    Suspense: CR 12, SF 3
    Minor Characters: CR 7, SF 8

    Total: CR 102, SF 123
  • Someone keeping tab of the scores?

    If I have the energy, I'll tote 'em up once the thread is spent.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,370
    Someone keeping tab of the scores?

    If I have the energy, I'll tote 'em up once the thread is spent.

    That's a good idea, given people may decide to edit their answers and whatnot. I can tally them up, if you decide you don't want to do so.
  • Okay, here are the results for the first tilt.

    Skyfall wins eight categories, Casino Royale wins seven.

    Skyfall gets 119 total votes, Casino Royale gets 106.

    As I expected, these are two evenly matched Bond films. And our next match, between License to Kill and The Living Daylights, could produce similar results. So without further adoo, awaaaaay we go!

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    *Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    *In case there's any doubt, for the purposes of this game, Pam Bouvier, not Lupe Lamora, is considered the main Bond girl.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    *Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD

    I'm afraid this is quite a strange result for me.. I'd really put TLD and LTK evenly matched, but it seems TLD dominates LTK on the elements listed here! it seems ranking and comparing Bond movies never ceases to amaze me!
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 12,837
    PTS: The Living Daylights
    Title Track: The Living Daylights
    Main villain: Licence To Kill
    Main girl: The Living Daylights*
    Overall plot: Licence To Kill
    Dialogue: Licence To Kill
    Score: The Living Daylights
    Settings: The Living Daylights
    Action: The Living Daylights*
    Humour: The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre: Licence To Kill
    Suspense: Licence To Kill
    Cinematography: The Living Daylights
    Minor characters: Licence To Kill

    *This was very, very close. I really like Pam, she's a stronger character and she's fitter than Kara but I think Bond cared more about Kara. One of the few times where Bonds relationship with the girl has felt real.

    *I think the Dalton films have by far the best action in the series and again it was really close. LTK had the plane fishing, TLD had the truck stunt. LTK had the tanker chase, TLD had the cargo net fight. It was close but I think the cargo net fight is the best stunt in film history so TLD wins. Both have brilliant action though and what's amazing is that the stunts were done for real. If they made these films today half of it would be CGI.

    TLD wins overall but I prefer LTK because of Sanchez. Both are fantastic films though and for me they're the high point of the series. I don't think any Bond film will beat these two in my eyes. We've had some good one's before and since but the Dalton films will always be my favourites.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: TLD

    No surprise for me. I prefer TLD by a wide margin over LTK.
  • Posts: 1,405
    PTS: Casino Royale (Bond' s first kill, a definite true Bond moment)
    Title Track: Casino Royale (YKMN of of the best)
    Title Credits: Skyfall (I really liked it)
    Main Villain: Casino Royale
    Main Bond Girl: Casino Royale
    Overall Plot: Casino Royale
    Dialogue: Skyfall (every exchange between Bond and M truly amusing)
    Score: Casino Royale
    Settings: Skyfall (what can beat Scotland?)
    Action: Casino Royale
    Humor: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Casino Royale
    Suspense: Casino Royale
    Minor Characters: Skyfall (Mallory carries the day here)
  • Posts: 6,396
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    *Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK (Tough one this because I love the tanker truck sequence and the cargo plane scene).
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
  • Posts: 1,497
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,370
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited October 2013 Posts: 13,350
    PTS: The Living Daylights
    Title Track: Licence To Kill
    Title Credits: Licence To Kill
    Main Villain: Licence To Kill
    Main Bond Girl: The Living Daylights
    Overall Plot: The Living Daylights
    Dialogue: The Living Daylights
    Score: The Living Daylights
    Settings: The Living Daylights
    Action: Licence To Kill
    Humor: Licence To Kill
    Cinematography: The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre: Licence To Kill
    Suspense: The Living Daylights
    Minor Characters: The Living Daylights

    Could we also include our favourite film for Bond, Sadism, Gadgets and Snobbery?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited October 2013 Posts: 17,687
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    TLD by a nose.
  • Posts: 6,396
    chrisisall wrote:
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    You've missed out PTS @chrisisall
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited October 2013 Posts: 13,879
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: CR
    Settings: SF
    Action: CR
    Humour: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: LTK
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD

    A landslide victory for The Living Daylights
  • Posts: 2,400

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: TLD. Bond only has one pun in LTK.
    Cinematography: LTK. I really like a lot of the camera work in it tbh.
    *Benign Bizarre: I guess Sanchez's choice in furniture gives this one to LTK. Neither film really has it, they're the two most grounded Bond films ever.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: TLD

    10-5 for TLD. Strange as they're my #2 and #4.
  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK, on the back of "launder it"
    Cinematography: TLD. Threw it a bone since it's behind.
    *Benign Bizarre: LTK. Once again, neither has much.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    LTK takes 8-7.
  • Posts: 418
    PTS: The Living Daylights
    Title Track: Licence To Kill
    Title Credits: Licence To Kill
    Main Villain: Licence To Kill
    Main Bond Girl: Licence To Kill
    Overall Plot: The Living Daylights
    Dialogue: The Living Daylights
    Score: The Living Daylights
    Settings: The Living Daylights
    Action: Licence To Kill
    Humour: Licence To Kill
    Cinematography: The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizare: Licence To Kill
    Suspense: The Living Daylights
    Minor Characters - Licence To Kill
  • Okay, here are the results for the first tilt.

    Skyfall wins eight categories, Casino Royale wins seven.

    Skyfall gets 119 total votes, Casino Royale gets 106.

    As I expected, these are two evenly matched Bond films. And our next match, between License to Kill and The Living Daylights, could produce similar results. So without further adoo, awaaaaay we go!

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Villain: LTK
    *Main Bond Girl: TLD
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: TLD. Bond only has one pun in LTK.
    Cinematography: LTK. I really like a lot of the camera work in it tbh.
    *Benign Bizarre: I guess Sanchez's choice in furniture gives this one to LTK. Neither film really has it, they're the two most grounded Bond films ever.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: TLD

    10-5 for TLD. Strange as they're my #2 and #4.

    But the villains--including Professor Joe--are a very humorous bunch. Not that I'm trying to influence anybody, of course, but the humor is for the entire film, not just Bond himself.

  • edited October 2013 Posts: 157
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: LTK
  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK, on the back of "launder it"
    Cinematography: TLD. Threw it a bone since it's behind.
    *Benign Bizarre: LTK. Once again, neither has much.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    LTK takes 8-7.

    Sanchez's iguana, Professor Joe, Sanchez's Aztec-styled drug compound, the statue that stares at Bond when he awakes, all qualify as Benign Bizarre.

    In TLD, you've got the carnival setting, and the balloons, just off of the top of my head. The cello case escape could possibly be classed as BB as well.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    My two favourite Bond films, so you can understand the position i'm in.

    PTS :: The Living Daylights
    Title Track :: The Living Daylights
    Title Credits :: The Living Daylights
    Main Villain :: Licence To Kill
    Main Bond Girl :: The Living Daylights
    Overall Plot :: The Living Daylights
    Dialogue :: The Living Daylights
    Score :: The Living Daylights
    Settings :: The Living Daylights
    Action :: Licence To Kill
    Humour :: The Living Daylights
    Cinematography :: The Living Daylights
    Benign Bizarre :: Licence To Kill
    Suspense :: The Living Daylights
    Minor Characters :: The Living Daylights

    12 - 3 for The Living Daylights.


    It's been a few months since I've watched The Living Daylights. It's been a few months since I watched any Bond film, but especially The Living Daylights. And that's something I shall have to rectify...
  • Posts: 1,497
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK, on the back of "launder it"
    Cinematography: TLD. Threw it a bone since it's behind.
    *Benign Bizarre: LTK. Once again, neither has much.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    LTK takes 8-7.

    Sanchez's iguana, Professor Joe, Sanchez's Aztec-styled drug compound, the statue that stares at Bond when he awakes, all qualify as Benign Bizarre.

    In TLD, you've got the carnival setting, and the balloons, just off of the top of my head. The cello case escape could possibly be classed as BB as well.

    Maybe not quite benign bizzare, but David Hedison's acting is really campy in the first few scenes, like straight out of the Rockford Files, or better yet, his performance in LALD. LTK is a benign bizzare experience in that it is played up as a much tougher, grittier, and violent Bond film, but there are a number of campy and strange things going on that give a bizzare effect.
  • JBFan626 wrote:
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humor: LTK, on the back of "launder it"
    Cinematography: TLD. Threw it a bone since it's behind.
    *Benign Bizarre: LTK. Once again, neither has much.
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK

    LTK takes 8-7.

    Sanchez's iguana, Professor Joe, Sanchez's Aztec-styled drug compound, the statue that stares at Bond when he awakes, all qualify as Benign Bizarre.

    In TLD, you've got the carnival setting, and the balloons, just off of the top of my head. The cello case escape could possibly be classed as BB as well.

    Maybe not quite benign bizzare, but David Hedison's acting is really campy in the first few scenes, like straight out of the Rockford Files, or better yet, his performance in LALD. LTK is a benign bizzare experience in that it is played up as a much tougher, grittier, and violent Bond film, but there are a number of campy and strange things going on that give a bizzare effect.

    True. It's almost stereophonic. Gritty and tough on the one hand, and on the other it plays like DAF. DAF is exactly the opposite. People consider it a campy jokefest, but it has moments of horrific brutality that would make Franz Sanchez sweat.

  • Posts: 1,817
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: LTK
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